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Are they supposed to practice technique drills at walking speed?
 
Having watch this drill in person this is part of the progression. Like Venice said they are working hat and hand placement. The second part of the drill you would have seen them running faster and ripping their backside arm through to finish. Remember the media only gets a certain amount of time to film. He didn't get to film the whole individual period.
 
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I'm not basing my criticism of Art on this video, but overall the guy just isn't what we need at this point imo. If you could see Trickett at work (and I have personally watched two FSU closed practices), it's night and day. And Trickett is about 10 years Art's senior, I believe.
 
courcy75 said:
Having watch this drill in person this is part of the progression. Like Venice said they are working hat and hand placement. The second part of the drill you would have seen them running faster and ripping their backside arm through to finish. Remember the media only gets a certain amount of time to film. He didn't get to film the whole individual period.
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what?

this drill as about steps and body position... as an olineman hand placement is always the same (inside the pads)
its all about body position, fighting to get your helmet across etc
 
bigcountry61 said:
courcy75 said:
Having watch this drill in person this is part of the progression. Like Venice said they are working hat and hand placement. The second part of the drill you would have seen them running faster and ripping their backside arm through to finish. Remember the media only gets a certain amount of time to film. He didn't get to film the whole individual period.
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what?

this drill as about steps and body position... as an olineman hand placement is always the same (inside the pads)
its all about body position, fighting to get your helmet across etc
Click to expand...
I think homebody was meaning backside cutoff, getting across the defenders face


but your right though
 
In the video they are zoning to an outside technique. It's a progression Of the zone scheme. Sorry I didn't really make myself clear in my first post. They are going playside zone in the video and then work backside in the next progression with the reach and rip. hand placement is not the same all the time for offensive linemen in this scheme. Watch Bunche lock out his backside arm when the defender is across his face, that is him about to run his guy passed the designed running lane or "torquing him out". The ripping the backside arm is used by the backside offensive lineman on scoop blocks. You rip the backside arm to overemphasize getting your head across wide techniques. (guards to defensive ends or centers to 3 techniques)
 
bigcountry61 said:
courcy75 said:
Having watch this drill in person this is part of the progression. Like Venice said they are working hat and hand placement. The second part of the drill you would have seen them running faster and ripping their backside arm through to finish. Remember the media only gets a certain amount of time to film. He didn't get to film the whole individual period.
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what?

this drill as about steps and body position... as an olineman hand placement is always the same (inside the pads)
its all about body position, fighting to get your helmet across etc
Click to expand...

I'm going to have to disagree with you. For an Olinemen you have to start with a walkthrough when it comes to technique and then you speed it up which Art is doing. This is a scoop block technique. If you look at the Olinemen that are doing it properly it start with the first step as they give up give up ground to gain leverage then the inside hand comes across and stab then in the chest, and the hat is on the outside shoulders eyes up.
The rip is from when the ball carrier starts going up field, you rip with your inside arm and have your shoulder square with the line of scrimmage, while you have that inside hand on his hip and you run downfield with him so he can't make the tackle.

Hand placement is rarely the same, you begin with inside hands, or on the chest but the defender does move so if he spins or rips and so on hand placement does change and on the several types of different run blocks, depending on zone or point of attack, inside or outside hand placements changes, also depending where the defender is positioned.
 
Some of you who think that is real speed practice might be the some of the dumbest people on earth. How can you watch that and think they are gonna let a rag paper video real practice speed?
 
Arehel said:
bigcountry61 said:
courcy75 said:
Having watch this drill in person this is part of the progression. Like Venice said they are working hat and hand placement. The second part of the drill you would have seen them running faster and ripping their backside arm through to finish. Remember the media only gets a certain amount of time to film. He didn't get to film the whole individual period.
Click to expand...

what?

this drill as about steps and body position... as an olineman hand placement is always the same (inside the pads)
its all about body position, fighting to get your helmet across etc
Click to expand...

I'm going to have to disagree with you. For an Olinemen you have to start with a walkthrough when it comes to technique and then you speed it up which Art is doing. This is a scoop block technique. If you look at the Olinemen that are doing it properly it start with the first step as they give up give up ground to gain leverage then the inside hand comes across and stab then in the chest, and the hat is on the outside shoulders eyes up.
The rip is from when the ball carrier starts going up field, you rip with your inside arm and have your shoulder square with the line of scrimmage, while you have that inside hand on his hip and you run downfield with him so he can't make the tackle.

Hand placement is rarely the same, you begin with inside hands, or on the chest but the defender does move so if he spins or rips and so on hand placement does change and on the several types of different run blocks, depending on zone or point of attack, inside or outside hand placements changes, also depending where the defender is positioned.
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ideal hand placement is always inside the pads, might not be when trapping or screen play when you are not man up...

on a backside scoop, its more important like you said to lose ground with first step open up hips and get your body in to postion... ripping your arm thru is not essential...it just helps some people that are not good with hand placement. its better to have them locked on than ripping

but hey wtf do i know
 
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courcy75 said:
In the video they are zoning to an outside technique. It's a progression Of the zone scheme. Sorry I didn't really make myself clear in my first post. They are going playside zone in the video and then work backside in the next progression with the reach and rip. hand placement is not the same all the time for offensive linemen in this scheme. Watch Bunche lock out his backside arm when the defender is across his face, that is him about to run his guy passed the designed running lane or "torquing him out". The ripping the backside arm is used by the backside offensive lineman on scoop blocks. You rip the backside arm to overemphasize getting your head across wide techniques. (guards to defensive ends or centers to 3 techniques)
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depnds on what level u play and ur coach...

i was taught differently
 
GhostofVenice01 said:
bigcountry61 said:
courcy75 said:
Having watch this drill in person this is part of the progression. Like Venice said they are working hat and hand placement. The second part of the drill you would have seen them running faster and ripping their backside arm through to finish. Remember the media only gets a certain amount of time to film. He didn't get to film the whole individual period.
Click to expand...

what?

this drill as about steps and body position... as an olineman hand placement is always the same (inside the pads)
its all about body position, fighting to get your helmet across etc
Click to expand...
I think homebody was meaning backside cutoff, getting across the defenders face


but your right though
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you dont need to rip ur arm thru to get ur head across, you can still get hand placement and have head across. if u rip arm thru and dont control him no cutback will be available. u can feel it if ur locked in and he sees cutback u can fight it. rip arm thru and dont lock up and he has contain/cutback
 
bigcountry61 said:
GhostofVenice01 said:
bigcountry61 said:
courcy75 said:
Having watch this drill in person this is part of the progression. Like Venice said they are working hat and hand placement. The second part of the drill you would have seen them running faster and ripping their backside arm through to finish. Remember the media only gets a certain amount of time to film. He didn't get to film the whole individual period.
Click to expand...

what?

this drill as about steps and body position... as an olineman hand placement is always the same (inside the pads)
its all about body position, fighting to get your helmet across etc
Click to expand...
I think homebody was meaning backside cutoff, getting across the defenders face


but your right though
Click to expand...

you dont need to rip ur arm thru to get ur head across, you can still get hand placement and have head across. if u rip arm thru and dont control him no cutback will be available. u can feel it if ur locked in and he sees cutback u can fight it. rip arm thru and dont lock up and he has contain/cutback
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I hear ya. The ripping your arm through thing is something that Kehoe teaches, he was preaching the same thing when we went to Down and Dirty camp and he was coaching there
 
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