OK, convince me why Golden should still be here after this.

For the record, even though the defense as a whole had a major breakdown at the end and was very inconsistent, there were stretches in that game where we were getting mad pressure on the Q...now about golden's status, next year is the last straw...he'll be out of excuses, Stephen Morris has had a full year to grow under fish and golden, the defense cannot use the young excuse anymore, we will be returning a lot of experience,if not all our starters on the o line, and in general were pretty much returning all our starters except for mike james(I have faith in duke and OT) and Brandon mcgee( hopefully Gunter and Howard can continue to improve and Thomas finnie shakes off his worse game because he had been playing better IMO) on top of that the whole "Shannon's guys" excuse will be gone too cuz the vast majority of the players will be Al's...let's face it we had an inexperienced qb and defense this year and we lost our two top receivers and our leading rusher...next year we will return most of our D, our qb, our top 3 receivers, most, if not all of our o line, and our leading rusher....this year I understand, next year NO EXCUSES AL

Honestly, I consider these first 2 years a wash, especially after Golden had no time to put a decent class together after discovering the recruiting disaster he face when he first got here. Next year, I agree, he's on the clock. I think the hysteria of the fans this year is ridiculous. We were going to suck this year under any circumstance.
 
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Just look at our freshmen and sophomores talent compared to the juniors and seniors he was left with. 1 or 2 more recruiting classes of the same caliber players and we will have the depth and talent to compete consistently. The talent is not there, especially on defense when your 3 best players are not playing and there is no depth behind them.


I think that is fair and good. I like his talent evals. I just wish he would make the obvious Monday morning QB adjustments most of us see.

There's a lot of turth to that, Jay. But are you seeing anyone improve since games 1-3? You would think by week 10 we would have someone who can step in and cover a TE once or twice a game, but we don't. The offense isn't better and arguably has regressed. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not convinced next year's team will be measurably better than this one.
 
Just look at our freshmen and sophomores talent compared to the juniors and seniors he was left with. 1 or 2 more recruiting classes of the same caliber players and we will have the depth and talent to compete consistently. The talent is not there, especially on defense when your 3 best players are not playing and there is no depth behind them.


I think that is fair and good. I like his talent evals. I just wish he would make the obvious Monday morning QB adjustments most of us see.

There's a lot of turth to that, Jay. But are you seeing anyone improve since games 1-3? You would think by week 10 we would have someone who can step in and cover a TE once or twice a game, but we don't. The offense isn't better and arguably has regressed. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not convinced next year's team will be measurably better than this one.

let's be honest, we haven't been able to cover tight ends since coker was the head coach.
 
Im fired up about this **** but you don't fire a coach every time they **** up a game. Fire Golden and my guess is we might have shot to rehire Coker with the state of the program right now.

I do know Golden needs to recruit his *** off. It's clear to me now we aren't winning games with our schemes and are gonna have to just out talent people.

Coker >>>> Goldman
 
This may not be the best idea while we're facing sanctions...but Butch Davis is hanging around on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers staff just waiting for another college head coaching job. I can't think of a head coach I'd rather have than him.
 
Meh, every coach gets their four years, unless they go Cam Cameron bad.


That said, it is fair to lose some faith in the man. Nobody expects us to compete for NC's for the foreseeable future, but we are still supposed to be better than this.

We had this game, I find it funny with all the posters stating we were picked to win 6 or 7 games. Excuse me for expecting something better than what they said pre-season when we have lost a game today we should have won.


I think our fan base has become shancokered.

There is a major trend with this D, and I just hope this isn't the start of another end of season collapse.

We've won games we shouldn't have won, too. Mediocre teams with marginal talent have that quality.


What games? Who did we beat that we shouldn't have beaten? We lost to every good team we faced this year in blowout fashion, and we lost to some good teams (with a closer margin, but also not at the same level) the year before. We haven't had a bonafide upset of a good team (that actually turned out to be good at the end of the season) in years.

Lets bump to get some answers. Come ob Sebastian, answer the question.

This year we should have won UNC and UVA. We had those games. The problem with this predictive crap is they can be wrong and it doesn't mean that that is what you strive for. So adjustments by the staff and those two losses are wins.

If this crappy *** website didn't have post limits, you wouldn't have had to wait for the answer.

To understand the answer, I first have to say that, IMO, this team is really bad. We have limited talent, no upperclassmen leadership, no depth. We are not the Canes of 2001, 1991, 1987. I'd argue that we aren't even the Canes of 2006 or 2007.

That said, GT had us on the ropes and clearly should have beaten us. They imploded and turned out to be worse than we are. NCSU couldn't get out of their own way. Somehow, we end up beating them, but they should have beaten us. If Logan Thomas doesn't singlehandedly give us that game, we lose to VT. That's 3 games we've won this year that we should NOT have won. That won't make any sense to anyone who doesn't first accept that we are every bit as bad a team as those teams. Anyone still living in the past and thinking that "we are the canes! we don't lose to those teams!" is pipe dreaming. There's no such thing as "teams we should beat" anymore (maybe except Bethune).
 
Just look at our freshmen and sophomores talent compared to the juniors and seniors he was left with. 1 or 2 more recruiting classes of the same caliber players and we will have the depth and talent to compete consistently. The talent is not there, especially on defense when your 3 best players are not playing and there is no depth behind them.


I think that is fair and good. I like his talent evals. I just wish he would make the obvious Monday morning QB adjustments most of us see.

Have you considered that perhaps Golden and his staff know more about coaching football than the Monday morning QB schmucks on this message board????
 
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Alabama should fire Nick Saban because they lost to a team they should have beaten.

Wow...

How about this, when Golden wins two ******* championships here, and three overall, and is one of the best coaches in the country, then he can lose at home to a ranked team.

Oh that's right, he didn't even do that. He lost to a ******* 3-6 team and he hasn't won jack **** as a head coach.
 
OP was a ridiculous overreaction. Yes, it sucks we lost to UVA. Let's see, beginning of the season the experts were predicting 4 wins for us. We are one of the youngest teams in college, and behind that youth we have zero depth. Against UVA, we were missing 3 out of our 4 best defensive players on the team...a team that is already lacking in depth. Don't get on the coaches about this one. You want to get on someone's case, get on E. Johnson's case. I hope he watched that game while sitting at home and realized how HE may be the reason we lost. He's supposed to be a team mate, not some selfish-*** punk who breaks the rules repeatedly.
 
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I really dont even know why this is a discussion. Golden is NOT going anywhere unless he chooses to leave. Look at the **** he's had to deal with since his arrival. Not to mention what hasnt even arrived yet. Bottom line, coach probably has a longer leash than anyone in america considering the circumstances. The cards have been stacked against him since august of 2010. I dont think people truly understand how much of an uphill battle he has in recruiting. And its not going to get better. I'm tickled that he's still even here. We're lucky to have him.
 
Jesus this thread is ****ed.



"Why Golden should be here after this?"



Okay, I got the best answer for you: Just who the **** else would want this job?



On the eve of possible major sanctions. After the third fired coach in 6 years (great job security). An oblivious, ineffective, and often poorly run athletic department and at a school that's benefited greatly off the football program but never gone to any lengths to give back to it. One of the few schools in major FBS football without it's 'own' stadium, even worse, that home stadium is basically a neutral field. A program reviled by the major media, who will use every chance, every small window of opportunity to take a shot in your direction. Bad facilities (yes I know we're getting an upgrade soon, but even then they will pale in comparison to some of the other major FBS schools). And yeah, you'll get a good but not great salary (in a place with a high cost of living, but I digress), and your assistants will get middle of the road ACC money...now go build yourself a dream staff!



But the history, you say!


History only goes so far, and with every passing year, that storied history fades, and all those superstars we put in the NFL get a little older. At one time, schools like Pitt, Colorado, Washington, etc. (yes, they didn't have the run of success we did, but the point stands) had proud histories and MNC under their belt, now they are also-rans stuck in the doldrums of mediocrity.



But the recruiting base!



Yes, the recruiting base: some of the most fertile recruiting grounds in the nation...and some of the worse high schools educationally. Even if you find studs like a Grooms, a Leggett, and sell them to the point where they commit, can you get them qualified and accepted into Donna Shalala's University of Miami? And talk about competition, as fertile as it is, your recruiting base will be thoroughly mined, not only by the two other major state schools (both with easier admittance, better facilities, more boosters=$, etc, than you do) but by just about every other FBS program with a pulse.



But surely, local pride will keep those kids home?



Sure. A few. But South Florida seems to have some of the scuzziest figures, spineless fans, snarkiest media, and selfish families around. In states like Texas, Alabama, etc, the pressure on a kid to stay in the region is tremendous, in South Florida, it seems everyone thinks it's a great idea for the kid to 'get away'. And even if he doesn't, his head coach will want him to (and if he sleeps on that head coaches' couch, watch out), or his mother, or his 'boys' he went to school with, etc.. And, if you do manage to build a sort of wall, keeping kids at home, the media will be after it like Mongolians, nowhere else does so much 'outside' media have so much influence.



So, regardless of if you have belief in Golden, you better cross your fingers and prey to your god that he's the one, because Jimmy Johnson (or Jon Gruden) ain't walking through that door. The only thing that is is the monster called Mediocrity, and if Golden isn't the one that can fight it, we are all in for it my friends. So put the whiny threads away and grin and bear it like the rest of us. And hope.

Best post I've read in years......probably ever..
 
OP was a ridiculous overreaction. Yes, it sucks we lost to UVA. Let's see, beginning of the season the experts were predicting 4 wins for us. We are one of the youngest teams in college, and behind that youth we have zero depth. Against UVA, we were missing 3 out of our 4 best defensive players on the team...a team that is already lacking in depth. Don't get on the coaches about this one. You want to get on someone's case, get on E. Johnson's case. I hope he watched that game while sitting at home and realized how HE may be the reason we lost. He's supposed to be a team mate, not some selfish-*** punk who breaks the rules repeatedly.


Fair enough, Golden isn't going anywhere.

But what on the defense side of the ball has made you so patient to think it is just a talent/depth issue?
 
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