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TheOriginalCane said:
So you wouldn't mind it if, you know, we actually TRIED to be competitive with the TX/MO laws?

Thanks for not being pessimistic, let's give it a shot and see if it works out for us.
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I have not read the new MO law in its entirety but would that only apply after signing day? i.e. the gap between signing and enrolling? Or can it make a verbal commitment actually mean something to prevent a kid saying yeah I am committed to MO, get his check in HS then on signing day flip to Bama and throw up the deuces.
 
Cookie917 said:
I have not read the new MO law in its entirety but would that only apply after signing day? i.e. the gap between signing and enrolling? Or can it make a verbal commitment actually mean something to prevent a kid saying yeah I am committed to MO, get his check in HS then on signing day flip to Bama and throw up the deuces.
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I'll make this simple.

Yes, a person can try to split hairs and argue that "paying a kid in December" is not so different than "paying a kid in January". But not every kid enrolls in January. Someone could sign in December and enroll in August, and be paid for 8 months. In Missouri. Not in Florida.

More importantly, it is not the "timing" of the signing vs. paying, it is the way that NIL can be integrated into recruiting. Plus the Missouri statute "preventing" the NCAA from intervening (which, of course, has not even come close to being tested in court yet).

I've tried to hint, but it seems like some people want to oversimplify and delude themselves into thinking NIL decisions are solely about "who pays the most" (not saying that you think this, but there are plenty of posters who do). We've already seen some guys take LESS money in NIL to sign somewhere (Inniss).

The reality is, that when schools in Texas and Missouri have the support and cover of a more...helpful...NIL law than what Florida has...they can make BETTER NIL PRESENTATIONS. Whether that involves more money is not the issue. The fact remains, when a school can coordinate, and when a recruit does not have to line up 10 separate meetings to cobble together an NIL package...it's just a better, superior, more professional presentation. It just is.

I've tried to say it discreetly, but many people won't take the hint. Miami is NOT being outspent by vast sums of money. But the "sudden" reason for some of the recruiting "lapses" and "recovery" have very explainable reasons. Yes, Auburn is flashing more cash than they've ever flashed before, but Texas and aTm and SMU and Mizzou are just putting together smoother, better, more compelling presentations right now. And these are 17-18 year old kids with parents who are fairly unsophisticated in these matters too (for the most part), so let's not pretend that these kids can see through the bull**** the way that we can.

Miami has way more...and way more organized...and way better funded...NIL competition today, in Summer 2023, than we did in Summer 2021. That's just a fact. And some of these kids are worried about "negative" things they've heard about Miami, including conference uncertainty as well as "receiving all your NIL payments uncertainty".

I wish some posters would wake up. Yes, the TX and MO laws on NIL are giving those schools an edge right now. Not just with Miami, but with Florida and Florida State too. The only think that has "helped" F$U in the last 6-8 weeks is a massive campaign of lies, where F$U has been telling recruits they are about to join the SEC. Outside of THAT, Prison Mike Norvell is still the corny recruiter he has always been.
 
Cookie917 said:
I have not read the new MO law in its entirety but would that only apply after signing day? i.e. the gap between signing and enrolling? Or can it make a verbal commitment actually mean something to prevent a kid saying yeah I am committed to MO, get his check in HS then on signing day flip to Bama and throw up the deuces.
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They have to sign financial aid papers for said school but yes they could take the money and flip unless they have something written in the contract that they have to pay the money back if they don't sign.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I'll make this simple.

Yes, a person can try to split hairs and argue that "paying a kid in December" is not so different than "paying a kid in January". But not every kid enrolls in January. Someone could sign in December and enroll in August, and be paid for 8 months. In Missouri. Not in Florida.

More importantly, it is not the "timing" of the signing vs. paying, it is the way that NIL can be integrated into recruiting. Plus the Missouri statute "preventing" the NCAA from intervening (which, of course, has not even come close to being tested in court yet).

I've tried to hint, but it seems like some people want to oversimplify and delude themselves into thinking NIL decisions are solely about "who pays the most" (not saying that you think this, but there are plenty of posters who do). We've already seen some guys take LESS money in NIL to sign somewhere (Inniss).

The reality is, that when schools in Texas and Missouri have the support and cover of a more...helpful...NIL law than what Florida has...they can make BETTER NIL PRESENTATIONS. Whether that involves more money is not the issue. The fact remains, when a school can coordinate, and when a recruit does not have to line up 10 separate meetings to cobble together an NIL package...it's just a better, superior, more professional presentation. It just is.

I've tried to say it discreetly, but many people won't take the hint. Miami is NOT being outspent by vast sums of money. But the "sudden" reason for some of the recruiting "lapses" and "recovery" have very explainable reasons. Yes, Auburn is flashing more cash than they've ever flashed before, but Texas and aTm and SMU and Mizzou are just putting together smoother, better, more compelling presentations right now. And these are 17-18 year old kids with parents who are fairly unsophisticated in these matters too (for the most part), so let's not pretend that these kids can see through the bull**** the way that we can.

Miami has way more...and way more organized...and way better funded...NIL competition today, in Summer 2023, than we did in Summer 2021. That's just a fact. And some of these kids are worried about "negative" things they've heard about Miami, including conference uncertainty as well as "receiving all your NIL payments uncertainty".

I wish some posters would wake up. Yes, the TX and MO laws on NIL are giving those schools an edge right now. Not just with Miami, but with Florida and Florida State too. The only think that has "helped" F$U in the last 6-8 weeks is a massive campaign of lies, where F$U has been telling recruits they are about to join the SEC. Outside of THAT, Prison Mike Norvell is still the corny recruiter he has always been.
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moshated305 said:
They have to sign financial aid papers for said school but yes they could take the money and flip unless they have something written in the contract that they have to pay the money back if they don't sign.
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Nah I always thought the biggest thing was having schools directly involved to help the pitch. I also wasnt insinuating the amount was the sole factor but yes a kid who signs with a school in Dec and waits until Aug I get that is 8 more months of payments and that can have a big impact.

My inquiry was moreso to @moshated305 comment that all they have to do is sign a financial aid paperwork and UNLESS they have something in writing they dont have to pay. Seems like the legislature is just oddly drafted then. Maybe it was the way the tweet was worded but I took it as you get paid in HS IF you stay in State. So every top kid could then just sign financial aid paperwork which largely means nothing to the kid (wasnt it Dalvin who signed for UM, FSU and UF?) then dip and UNLESS they agreed to pay it back they get to skirt? That just makes it seem like well you didnt stay in State so you shouldnt have gotten the $ regardless of what else is signed. I think the only way it can be that way is like TOC said if they sign in December and are then bound to the school but still have 8 months before they enroll. My comment between signing and enrolling wasnt assuming Dec-Jan timeframe, it was the Dec-Aug timeframe. My inquiry was if they somehow could make a verbal commitment more binding. Like could a junior sign financial aid paperwork and get paid for 2 years? that doesnt make sense unless they somehow could make a verbal commitment actually have some teeth.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
I'll make this simple.

Yes, a person can try to split hairs and argue that "paying a kid in December" is not so different than "paying a kid in January". But not every kid enrolls in January. Someone could sign in December and enroll in August, and be paid for 8 months. In Missouri. Not in Florida.

More importantly, it is not the "timing" of the signing vs. paying, it is the way that NIL can be integrated into recruiting. Plus the Missouri statute "preventing" the NCAA from intervening (which, of course, has not even come close to being tested in court yet).

I've tried to hint, but it seems like some people want to oversimplify and delude themselves into thinking NIL decisions are solely about "who pays the most" (not saying that you think this, but there are plenty of posters who do). We've already seen some guys take LESS money in NIL to sign somewhere (Inniss).

The reality is, that when schools in Texas and Missouri have the support and cover of a more...helpful...NIL law than what Florida has...they can make BETTER NIL PRESENTATIONS. Whether that involves more money is not the issue. The fact remains, when a school can coordinate, and when a recruit does not have to line up 10 separate meetings to cobble together an NIL package...it's just a better, superior, more professional presentation. It just is.

I've tried to say it discreetly, but many people won't take the hint. Miami is NOT being outspent by vast sums of money. But the "sudden" reason for some of the recruiting "lapses" and "recovery" have very explainable reasons. Yes, Auburn is flashing more cash than they've ever flashed before, but Texas and aTm and SMU and Mizzou are just putting together smoother, better, more compelling presentations right now. And these are 17-18 year old kids with parents who are fairly unsophisticated in these matters too (for the most part), so let's not pretend that these kids can see through the bull**** the way that we can.

Miami has way more...and way more organized...and way better funded...NIL competition today, in Summer 2023, than we did in Summer 2021. That's just a fact. And some of these kids are worried about "negative" things they've heard about Miami, including conference uncertainty as well as "receiving all your NIL payments uncertainty".

I wish some posters would wake up. Yes, the TX and MO laws on NIL are giving those schools an edge right now. Not just with Miami, but with Florida and Florida State too. The only think that has "helped" F$U in the last 6-8 weeks is a massive campaign of lies, where F$U has been telling recruits they are about to join the SEC. Outside of THAT, Prison Mike Norvell is still the corny recruiter he has always been.
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"some of these kids are worried about "negative" things they've heard about Miami, including conference uncertainty as well as "receiving all your NIL payments uncertainty".

Has this actually happened? Or is it just the predictable "Ruiz is broke and Miami isn't making payments" bull****?
 
SCarolina Ibis said:
"some of these kids are worried about "negative" things they've heard about Miami, including conference uncertainty as well as "receiving all your NIL payments uncertainty".

Has this actually happened? Or is it just the predictable "Ruiz is broke and Miami isn't making payments" bull****?
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My friend, it is absolutely being said. ****, just go over to Gaytor Tears and you'll see that the Florida fans are saying it NON-STOP. I realize we can try to differentiate between "fans saying it" and "coaches saying it", but the recruits hear rumors no matter how those rumors start.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
My friend, it is absolutely being said. ****, just go over to Gaytor Tears and you'll see that the Florida fans are saying it NON-STOP. I realize we can try to differentiate between "fans saying it" and "coaches saying it", but the recruits hear rumors no matter how those rumors start.
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Yeah I know they are. That dip**** gator fan on twitter, who is obsessed with Ruiz, has been making that claim since day one.

But I meant have payments ever actually been missed?
 
Kids are making mad money from video games at pretty young age. I think you can "turn pro" at 15. Many of them also have sponsors paying them very well. I wish the state of Florida would do everything possible to allow these youngins to get paid if the market deems them "worth the investment. " Go Canes 🏈🏀⚾️. . . .
 
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Home Slice said:
Kids are making mad money from video games at pretty young age. I think you can "turn pro" at 15. Many of them also have sponsors paying them very well. I wish the state of Florida would do everything possible to allow these youngins to get paid if the market deems them "worth the investment. " Go Canes 🏈🏀⚾️. . . .
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Yeah I cant see that getting messy at all
 
SCarolina Ibis said:
Yeah I know they are. That dip**** gator fan on twitter, who is obsessed with Ruiz, has been making that claim since day one.

But I meant have payments ever actually been missed?
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Oh, sorry.

No, there have been no missed payments. I know that they Gaytors were IMPLYING that there was something like that back when they were working to flip Rashada from us, but Rashada had delayed the LifeWallet commercials he was supposed to film. I believe Rashada may have given the Gaytors the false impression that he had not yet been paid, but it's bull****.

Enrolled players? No missed payments.
 
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