Off-Season workouts(Defense)

[Rellyrell]

I feel like every year I read about our players putting in extra work in the off season.

 

[Shogungts]

this is very common in SoFlo, a lot of NFL players come to miami to train.

I am wondering how this works with costs - private training is not cheap and I don't think most of these kids are rolling in dough. I wonder if these guys provide cheaper rates to college kids hoping that if they make it to the NFL and come back and bring friends since so many people like to live and train in Miami during the off season.

 

[Moonman]

Joyner is one of the reasons I'm not as worried about the LB position as others are.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

I feel like every year I read about our players putting in extra work in the off season.

Every team in America is 15-0 bound in February. Every team in America is working harder than they did last year and is excited for the upcoming season.

If off-season workout articles/videos (for any team at any level) get you 0.00000001% more optimistic than you were before you watch/read, I guarantee you that you’re gullible, weak-minded, and probably soft in general. Read who’s working, close the article, never think about it again. You’ll be a lot better off.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

I feel like every year I read about our players putting in extra work in the off season.

Pretty much every team in the country has many players that put in extra work in the off season.

Our team is no different.

The question is how hard do they work, and how seriously do they take it, and how often do they do it. We really don’t know that, especially compared to other schools.

It’s really up to the individual player, because of the limitations of time allowed to be spent with school strength trainers and coaches. Which is very limited.

I’m a big believer that 80% of player development, is on the player himself.

The program can facilitate and guide and do a lot of things to help, including being much better when they do coach, when they have them for the limited time that they are allowed, but if a player doesn’t put in a lot of extra time and effort on their own, they will never develop to their highest potential.

 

[GOCANES05]

Pretty much every team in the country has many players that put in extra work in the off season.

Our team is no different.

The question is how hard do they work, and how seriously do they take it, and how often do they do it. We really don’t know that, especially compared to other schools.

It’s really up to the individual player, because of the limitations of time allowed to be spent with school strength trainers and coaches. Which is very limited.

I’m a big believer that 80% of player development, is on the player himself.

The program can facilitate and guide and do a lot of things to help, including being much better when they do coach, when they have them for the limited time that they are allowed, but if a player doesn’t put in a lot of extra time and effort on their own, they will never develop to their highest potential.

Absolutely on point here , if they don’t take ownership of there part then we’ll be loaded with weak links .

Can’t add much at all here

Impressive post here .

GOCANES

 

[ajone228]

Couch coming for one of those starting spots.

Ppl sleep...I’m trying to tell them!

 

[305to954]

Why do these players need to seek outside training? Does this happen other places? Is out training staff understaffed?

The fact that this is a genuine question lol..but yes this is the case at every program

 

[305to954]

Pretty much every team in the country has many players that put in extra work in the off season.

Our team is no different.

The question is how hard do they work, and how seriously do they take it, and how often do they do it. We really don’t know that, especially compared to other schools.

It’s really up to the individual player, because of the limitations of time allowed to be spent with school strength trainers and coaches. Which is very limited.

I’m a big believer that 80% of player development, is on the player himself.

The program can facilitate and guide and do a lot of things to help, including being much better when they do coach, when they have them for the limited time that they are allowed, but if a player doesn’t put in a lot of extra time and effort on their own, they will never develop to their highest potential.

I think u hit it right on the nail. Coaches and staff are limited the amount of time they can spend with players. in the offseason it’s just about zero. All they can do is give players outlines if they should be working on to improve. The time and work these kids put in is all on them. The way they eat, sleep and train optimize their talent is all on their shoulders in the offseason. Nobody can hold their hand. That’s were culture and leadership trumps god given talent. Coaches he fired over talent and potential yearly

 

[DuffleBagYoda]

While UM coaches cannot work directly with players for much of the time between the end of the season and the start of spring drills, which start Monday, several players voluntarily sought offseason training within a week of Miami’s Independence Bowl loss to Louisiana Tech.

The South Florida Sun Sentinel spoke with a couple of those local trainers, Tevin Allen and Chris Scott, to discuss strides Hurricanes players have made in their speed, agility and footwork ahead of next week’s spring practices.
In the first of a two-part series, we focus on Miami’s defensive players.

Allen, who runs Gold Feet Global training services, has been impressed with sophomore cornerback Te’Cory Couch’s approach to the offseason.

“He’s definitely trying to take someone’s spot,” said Allen of Couch, who as a freshman played in all 13 games on special teams but was behind Trajan Bandy, Al Blades Jr. and DJ Ivey for cornerback reps."

“He doesn’t want to be a backup, so I believe that he’ll go in and work his hardest to earn more playing time. Obviously, he has to wait his turn, but if he has the opportunity to make a lot of plays during camp or during spring and leading up into the regular season, he’ll do that. He’s definitely determined and disciplined, as well. Real humble kid.”

Scott, who with his service, TH3 LAB, currently works with 25-plus professional football players, 40 college players and 45 prep standouts, is high on Ivey’s potential.

“He’s one guy that can really set the tone and the standard of what it is to really be an elite DB,” said Scott of the rising junior. “Once he’s able to understand his length and how to use his length, his ceiling is going to be ridiculous. He has the speed. He has the hands. He has the range. He’s still very young, as well. With him learning how to use his body and how to control his body, and if he’s in press-man, he’s going to know, ‘I can literally lock this full side of the field down and not have any issues of it.’”

Junior defensive tackle Nesta Silvera has worked with both Scott and Allen since the end of the season.

“Nesta’s speed is great,” Scott said. “It all starts with the feet. It all starts with the mobility. It all starts with the movement, being clean in the trenches where your feet will win you the battle every single time.

“Working on his feet, his hips, staying low and being comfortable staying low, making the right steps, the right movements, not stepping underneath ourselves when we do certain movements. Nesta’s been doing great at that.”
Allen has worked to improve similar facets of Silvera and senior defensive tackle Jonathan Ford’s game.

“When it comes to my D-linemen, it’s all about getting that quick twitch to be able to get off the ball as fast as possible,” Allen said. “We’ll work on resistance sprints, over-speed drills, then deceleration drills. Getting in the backfield and being able to change directions when the running back changes direction, and just making more plays in the backfield, tackles for loss and creating more opportunities.”

Redshirt sophomore striker Gilbert Frierson has been focusing on coverage drills with Scott.

“Not being too out of control when he does break on the ball, making sure that his feet are where they need to be at,” said Scott of the details they’ve worked on. “His hips, he’s not running too high and he’s able to get in and out of his breaks fluidly enough to get in on a play.

“His hip mobility, his 180-[degree turns], backpedal-open-run, backpedal-open-cut down at 45 [degrees] has been the main thing we’ve been working on with him.”

While UM coaches cannot work directly with players for much of the time between the end of the season and the start of spring drills, which start Monday, several players voluntarily sought offseason training within a week of Miami’s Independence Bowl loss to Louisiana Tech.

The South Florida Sun Sentinel spoke with a couple of those local trainers, Tevin Allen and Chris Scott, to discuss strides Hurricanes players have made in their speed, agility and footwork ahead of next week’s spring practices.
In the first of a two-part series, we focus on Miami’s defensive players.

Allen, who runs Gold Feet Global training services, has been impressed with sophomore cornerback Te’Cory Couch’s approach to the offseason.

“He’s definitely trying to take someone’s spot,” said Allen of Couch, who as a freshman played in all 13 games on special teams but was behind Trajan Bandy, Al Blades Jr. and DJ Ivey for cornerback reps."

“He doesn’t want to be a backup, so I believe that he’ll go in and work his hardest to earn more playing time. Obviously, he has to wait his turn, but if he has the opportunity to make a lot of plays during camp or during spring and leading up into the regular season, he’ll do that. He’s definitely determined and disciplined, as well. Real humble kid.”

Scott, who with his service, TH3 LAB, currently works with 25-plus professional football players, 40 college players and 45 prep standouts, is high on Ivey’s potential.

“He’s one guy that can really set the tone and the standard of what it is to really be an elite DB,” said Scott of the rising junior. “Once he’s able to understand his length and how to use his length, his ceiling is going to be ridiculous. He has the speed. He has the hands. He has the range. He’s still very young, as well. With him learning how to use his body and how to control his body, and if he’s in press-man, he’s going to know, ‘I can literally lock this full side of the field down and not have any issues of it.’”

Junior defensive tackle Nesta Silvera has worked with both Scott and Allen since the end of the season.

“Nesta’s speed is great,” Scott said. “It all starts with the feet. It all starts with the mobility. It all starts with the movement, being clean in the trenches where your feet will win you the battle every single time.

“Working on his feet, his hips, staying low and being comfortable staying low, making the right steps, the right movements, not stepping underneath ourselves when we do certain movements. Nesta’s been doing great at that.”
Allen has worked to improve similar facets of Silvera and senior defensive tackle Jonathan Ford’s game.

“When it comes to my D-linemen, it’s all about getting that quick twitch to be able to get off the ball as fast as possible,” Allen said. “We’ll work on resistance sprints, over-speed drills, then deceleration drills. Getting in the backfield and being able to change directions when the running back changes direction, and just making more plays in the backfield, tackles for loss and creating more opportunities.”

Redshirt sophomore striker Gilbert Frierson has been focusing on coverage drills with Scott.

“Not being too out of control when he does break on the ball, making sure that his feet are where they need to be at,” said Scott of the details they’ve worked on. “His hips, he’s not running too high and he’s able to get in and out of his breaks fluidly enough to get in on a play.

“His hip mobility, his 180-[degree turns], backpedal-open-run, backpedal-open-cut down at 45 [degrees] has been the main thing we’ve been working on with him.”

 

[Canes1968]

I feel like every year I read about our players putting in extra work in the off season.

this. Happens every year and every year we still look scrawny

 

[dantheman349]

I am wondering how this works with costs - private training is not cheap and I don't think most of these kids are rolling in dough. I wonder if these guys provide cheaper rates to college kids hoping that if they make it to the NFL and come back and bring friends since so many people like to live and train in Miami during the off season.

most likely a agreement with the school. school prob pays them a certain amount a year to lower the price for its athletes.

 

[Shogungts]

most likely a agreement with the school. school prob pays them a certain amount a year to lower the price for its athletes.

Wouldn't that be an extra benefit? I am not saying that isn't the case and definitely not suggesting Miami is doing anything wrong (there is no way that they would be doing interviews if they were), but I would be surprised if the NCAA allowed for schools to pay for student athletes to have additional private training off campus.

Maybe @apfenny3 knows?

 

[GOCANES05]

Couch coming for one of those starting spots.

Sharing a memory here .

On my first day or so in pads as a freshman with my name last name taped to my helmet as an unknown from Glades Junior high .
Not knowing I played years of football prior on the Junior Dolphins and Ghost at South Miami parks and recreation.
I picked out the baddest hitter on the varsity and during hitting drills I counted players in line so I made sure I GET HIS ARZZ AND LAY CLAIM EARLY, I’M HERE .

Make no mistake , I got slobbered at times but HEADS turn in WTF is this dude , see KEY two words HEADS TURNED.

Those players had to raise his game or else, loved hearing my name yelling out GOCANES get in there next series as a freshman DHOW US SOMETHING LMAO GREAT TO HEAR In first scrimmage.

GOCANES

 

[@KingLew88]

A whole article that says NOTHING.

I’ll believe it when the wins and product on the field matches up

 

[dantheman349]

Wouldn't that be an extra benefit? I am not saying that isn't the case and definitely not suggesting Miami is doing anything wrong (there is no way that they would be doing interviews if they were), but I would be surprised if the NCAA allowed for schools to pay for student athletes to have additional private training off campus.

Maybe @apfenny3 knows?

Don't think so i had it for baseball with a local place and we paid like 50 bucks for 6 weeks of training at a time. i think its just a partnership and a way for them to make money. Plus you have the ability to train kids that will be in the NFL so thats a plus and good advertising.

 

[Rellyrell]

Pretty much every team in the country has many players that put in extra work in the off season.

Our team is no different.

The question is how hard do they work, and how seriously do they take it, and how often do they do it. We really don’t know that, especially compared to other schools.

It’s really up to the individual player, because of the limitations of time allowed to be spent with school strength trainers and coaches. Which is very limited.

I’m a big believer that 80% of player development, is on the player himself.

The program can facilitate and guide and do a lot of things to help, including being much better when they do coach, when they have them for the limited time that they are allowed, but if a player doesn’t put in a lot of extra time and effort on their own, they will never develop to their highest potential.

I agree w 98% of what you posted, except the player development ratio. I would say it’s more less 70% player & 30% staff. The player has to do the work, no doubt about that...but the program has to set a bar. That bar has been broken. The players have no aim, no goal. What’s our nutritional regimen? What’s our speed, power, twitch, regimen? What’s our endurance regimen? What % body fat should x or y player be at by a certain point? What weight should player x or y be at by a certain point? Etc. Etc.

Shaq and Manny have been preaching about holding up “The Standard”; well, what’s The Standard? See in years past, there was a clear bar, and it was a minimum requirement to reach that bar, but understood to be a legend, you must exceed that bar. So if these kids are surrounded by a mediocre approach to everything, how will they know what putting in “extra work” really is? Their extra work might just be another program’s everyday work.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

I agree w 98% of what you posted, except the player development ratio. I would say it’s more less 70% player & 30% staff. The player has to do the work, no doubt about that...but the program has to set a bar. That bar has been broken. The players have no aim, no goal. What’s our nutritional regimen? What’s our speed, power, twitch, regimen? What’s our endurance regimen? What % body fat should x or y player be at by a certain point? What weight should player x or y be at by a certain point? Etc. Etc.

Shaq and Manny have been preaching about holding up “The Standard”; well, what’s The Standard? See in years past, there was a clear bar, and it was a minimum requirement to reach that bar, but understood to be a legend, you must exceed that bar. So if these kids are surrounded by a mediocre approach to everything, how will they know what putting in “extra work” really is? Their extra work might just be another program’s everyday work.

I don’t know how you can attenuate 70% versus an 80% difference. We’re all guessing. As far as the bar the school has set, how do you know that they’re not given guidelines as far as to eating, workout goals nutritional goals etc.

In fact I would be surprised if they’re not giving those guidelines. Whether they follow them or not is a different thing. That’s something that they have to do on their own. Remember, we do have at least a couple of nutritionist on staff. That dedicate themselves to the football team. I would be surprised if those guys aren’t giving guidelines.

At the end of the day, if a player decides to drive-through at McDonald’s, that’s his decision. If he decides to skip voluntary workouts, that’s his decision.

I’m not letting the coaches off the hook for their coaching, that’s all on them. We can criticize the coaching for their lack of results, that’s all on the coaches.

We can criticize them for not teaching proper technique, that’s on the coaching as well. But all of the extra stuff, that’s all on the players. We all know the coaching/training time is limited, players have to do much of this on their own.

 

[Rellyrell]

I don’t know how you can attenuate is 70% versus an 80% difference. We’re all guessing. As far as the bar the school has set, how do you know that they’re not given guidelines as far as to eating, workout goals nutritional goals etc. In fact I would be surprised if they’re not giving those guidelines. Where do they follow them or not is a different thing. That’s something that they have to do on their own

Well if they are, and they still look like they do, perform like they do, then who’s holding them accountable?

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

Well if they are, and they still look like they do, perform like they do, then who’s holding them accountable?

They should be holding each other accountable. If a coach can’t be there how can he hold him accountable?

Coaches can set up mechanisms in place that help for players to be accountable, how do we know they’re not doing that? Again I’m not letting these coaches off the hook as far as their coaching. But all this nonsense about how they’re not doing XY and Z on their own, that’s got to be on them.

Here’s the problem: it’s in recruiting.

Yes we’ve hired some crap coaches, but we’re also recruiting some crap players. Not all of them, but enough to make a difference.

Let me let you in on a little secret I’ve learned in hiring people, you can’t motivate someone to be motivated. People think you can, but you actually can’t. They either have it inside of them or they don’t.

Magicians do not exist that can magically turn somebody into a motivated self-starter. Do you think JT4 is a motivated self starter? He can’t even motivate himself to train properly when it could be worth millions of dollars to him.

What you can do is help to mold people that want to succeed.

Now look at the other wide receiver KJO. Decided to play an extra year to increase his profile for the NFL. Works hard in practice, works hard to prepare for the combine. Does he have as much natural talent as JT4? No. But he’s a whole lot more motivated than he is.

What’s the number one thing smart employers look for? Attitude. You’re either full of **** and vinegar, you’re either competitive and want to beat out everybody, or you’re just a slug. When you have the right attitude, all the other good things come after that. motivation, being a self-starter, being a hard worker. People with negative attitudes don’t get very far in life.