Objective Canes Season Grades

PIPO · Nov 13, 2023

Starting this with 2 games left because nothing that happens in these last 2-3 games won’t change much in my mind one way or another.

Regardless of the final record, IMO, the product on the field has improved compared to last year. With that said, here are my coaching & positional grades (no recruiting grade) without my Mope or Slurper green & orange shades. My Grades are based on performance only. Not whether there was talent or not enough talent in the room.

QB:
TVD: D- (Easily could be an F, but had a decent start to the season and played ok vs UNC. Because he was playing with significant injuries, gave him a D- despite the mental collapse).

Emory: C+ (Warrior/Leader: 1-1 vs two of the most difficult defenses on our schedule while thrown into the fire).

Overall Grade: F

RB:
Grade based on performance with this offensive line:

Overall Grade: B-

WR:
Tough to grade with the QBs struggling.

Overall Grade: B

TE:
Coaching staff failed in bringing in more players via the portal especially with Arroyo coming off ACL injury.

Overall Grade: D (not an F because I felt bad they got worn down only blocking and OC never really called anything for them).

OL:
Overall Grade: A

Overall Offensive Grade: 22.3 PPG in the ACC = D

DEFENSE:

DE/DT:
Overall Grade: B+

LBs:
Overall Grade: A

CBs:
Overall Grade: B

Safeties:
Overall Grade: B-

Overall Defensive Grade: B+

Special Teams: B (Borregales = A).

Coaching:

HC: F (Win the GT game and grade is a C).
OC: D
DC: A
Addae: B+ (I see development and improvement with safeties and Corner Play).
Taylor/Salave’a: B+
Mirabal: A
Beard: B+
Harris: B-
Nicholson: A
Woodiel: I almost want to give an ”I” for incomplete but will give a D.

What are your best objective grades?? Can’t wait for the OC talk all off season!

JD08 · Nov 13, 2023

It's hard to not be influenced by the last game on that ST grade, but maybe B-/C+ there.

The canesman · Nov 13, 2023

I think the grade for TE should be incomplete. Didn’t know we played a TE

miamicanephins · Nov 13, 2023

JD08 said:
It's hard to not be influenced by the last game on that ST grade, but maybe B-/C+ there.

ST have cost us field position all year. Guys don't know when to field the ball or not. The kicking portion has been very good.
Overall C

PIPO · Nov 13, 2023

The canesman said:
I think the grade for TE should be incomplete. Didn’t know we played a TE

I know. I so badly wanted to give it an Incomplete grade and why I made that note.

I almost gave it a “Z” because my son gets a lot of “Zs” by not turning in homework in certain classes in school

Gables Canes · Nov 13, 2023

I think B is a little generous for the WR's. I'd go B-/C+

The LB group has been very good but I don't know about A. I'd go B+ there. If anyone deserves an A/A- on the defense, it's the DL IMO.

Bender · Nov 13, 2023

Defense: A

Offense: F

Special teams: Who gives a ****.

90scane · Nov 13, 2023

PIPO said:
Starting this with 2 games left because nothing that happens in these last 2-3 games won’t change much in my mind one way or another.

Regardless of the final record, IMO, the product on the field has improved compared to last year. With that said, here are my coaching & positional grades (no recruiting grade) without my Mope or Slurper green & orange shades. My Grades are based on performance only. Not whether there was talent or not enough talent in the room.

QB:
TVD: D- (Easily could be an F, but had a decent start to the season and played ok vs UNC. Because he was playing with significant injuries, gave him a D- despite the mental collapse).

Emory: C+ (Warrior/Leader: 1-1 vs two of the most difficult defenses on our schedule while thrown into the fire).

Overall Grade: F

RB:
Grade based on performance with this offensive line:

Overall Grade: B-

WR:
Tough to grade with the QBs struggling.

Overall Grade: B

TE:
Coaching staff failed in bringing in more players via the portal especially with Arroyo coming off ACL injury.

Overall Grade: D (not an F because I felt bad they got worn down only blocking and OC never really called anything for them).

OL:
Overall Grade: A

Overall Offensive Grade: 22.3 PPG in the ACC = D

DEFENSE:

DE/DT:
Overall Grade: B+

LBs:
Overall Grade: A

CBs:
Overall Grade: B

Safeties:
Overall Grade: B-

Overall Defensive Grade: B+

Special Teams: B (Borregales = A).

Coaching:

HC: F (Win the GT game and grade is a C).
OC: D
DC: A
Addae: B+ (I see development and improvement with safeties and Corner Play).
Taylor/Salave’a: B+
Mirabal: A
Beard: B+
Harris: B-
Nicholson: A
Woodiel: I almost want to give an ”I” for incomplete but will give a D.

What are your best objective grades?? Can’t wait for the OC talk all off season!

Glad you weren’t my teacher. Not a single F but cumulative grade is an F. Multiple A/B grades but cumulative grade is a D. Lol

P-Tizzle · Nov 13, 2023

PIPO said:
Starting this with 2 games left because nothing that happens in these last 2-3 games won’t change much in my mind one way or another.

Regardless of the final record, IMO, the product on the field has improved compared to last year. With that said, here are my coaching & positional grades (no recruiting grade) without my Mope or Slurper green & orange shades. My Grades are based on performance only. Not whether there was talent or not enough talent in the room.

QB:
TVD: D- (Easily could be an F, but had a decent start to the season and played ok vs UNC. Because he was playing with significant injuries, gave him a D- despite the mental collapse).

Emory: C+ (Warrior/Leader: 1-1 vs two of the most difficult defenses on our schedule while thrown into the fire).

Overall Grade: F

RB:
Grade based on performance with this offensive line:

Overall Grade: B-

WR:
Tough to grade with the QBs struggling.

Overall Grade: B

TE:
Coaching staff failed in bringing in more players via the portal especially with Arroyo coming off ACL injury.

Overall Grade: D (not an F because I felt bad they got worn down only blocking and OC never really called anything for them).

OL:
Overall Grade: A

Overall Offensive Grade: 22.3 PPG in the ACC = D

DEFENSE:

DE/DT:
Overall Grade: B+

LBs:
Overall Grade: A

CBs:
Overall Grade: B

Safeties:
Overall Grade: B-

Overall Defensive Grade: B+

Special Teams: B (Borregales = A).

Coaching:

HC: F (Win the GT game and grade is a C).
OC: D
DC: A
Addae: B+ (I see development and improvement with safeties and Corner Play).
Taylor/Salave’a: B+
Mirabal: A
Beard: B+
Harris: B-
Nicholson: A
Woodiel: I almost want to give an ”I” for incomplete but will give a D.

What are your best objective grades?? Can’t wait for the OC talk all off season!

How the **** does one QB get a D- and another QB get a C+ but their overall grade is an F? WTF is going on.

PIPO · Nov 13, 2023

90scane said:
Glad you weren’t my teacher. Not a single F but cumulative grade is an F. Multiple A/B grades but cumulative grade is a D. Lol

QBs have a higher weight. Had a hard time grading certain positions because of the QBs and OC.

I did take notice of that before I posted but I was like, **** it. None of it makes sense this season anyway so the grades might as well not make much sense either, lol.

PIPO · Nov 13, 2023

P-Tizzle said:
How the **** does one QB get a D- and another QB get a C+ but their overall grade is an F? WTF is going on.

I didn’t want to go full mope and give Tyler an F and I didn’t really account for Emory in the overall grade.

It’s an overall F because that position was mostly responsible for the team record.

423Hurricane · Nov 13, 2023

Spot on. Only thing I’ll add is the guys never seem to quit - especially on defense - no matter the obstacles. That, in and of itself, is encouraging and some proof that the culture is changing.

cway313 · Nov 13, 2023

I will give expectation coming into season vs what I've witnessed.

QB__B- I was concerned about Tyler being injury prone and inconsistent
QB__F we dont have the guy on the roster and nothing encouraging moving forward

RB__B+ I thought room was loaded and we could lean heavily on the group as a whole.
RB__C+ nothing terrible but just a lot of ok

WR__C+ Concerned with speed and differencemakers. Admittedly I was very high on Colbie.
WR__B- they aren't the reason we are struggling but if we need a play none of them are a #1.

TE __B I thought Arroyo would finally live up to the rumor mill
TE__F feel gross thinking about the position as a whole

OL__B I thought group would be improved and the liabilities would be erased.
OL__B pass pro was too good? Is that even possible. Having a TF on the field presented challenges as to be expected.

OC__ I never react positively or negatively when coaches are hired. I gave Gattis 5 or 6 weeks before I threw him in the trash. Oddly that didn't work with Dawson. After 6 weeks I was honestly confused. Now that I have enough evidence I will say C-. I don’t know the power dynamics but the offense is offensive yet again.

BishopEli · Nov 13, 2023

Objectively this is a qb sport now and we don’t have one. Nothing else really matters. If we swapped Tyler for Travis I’m pretty **** confident we’re undefeated right now with no other changes between us and fsu

PIPO · Nov 13, 2023

BishopEli said:
Objectively this is a qb sport now and we don’t have one. Nothing else really matters. If we swapped Tyler for Travis I’m pretty **** confident we’re undefeated right now with no other changes between us and fsu

I agree, with a bit of hesitation on my part because I feel Norvell is just one of the better game day coaches in the ACC, if not the best.

Mario doing Mario things in game day and the OC/HC conundrum is my only real hesitation with your statement.

Travis would certainly cover up a lot of the coaching flaws.

423Hurricane · Nov 13, 2023

PIPO said:
I agree, with a bit of hesitation on my part because I feel Norvell is just one of the better game day coaches in the ACC, if not the best.

Mario doing Mario things in game day and the OC/HC conundrum is my only real hesitation with your statement.

Travis would certainly cover up a lot of the coaching flaws.

Travis being a 6th year senior certainly aids in his game day performance.

Felonious Monk · Nov 13, 2023

423Hurricane said:
Travis being a 6th year senior certainly aids in his game day performance.

We can only hope that when TVD goes under center to start the 2025 season, he'll be equally focused.

NJshoreCane · Nov 13, 2023

Offense: D
-Beginning of the year is keeping it out of the red-zone.
Defense: B+
-Playing great, considering. Three lapses all year (GT final drive, UNC 3rd, NC St. 4th).
ST: B
-KOR, KO, P, FG all good. PR unit is the dog.
HC: D
-Winning out (9-4*) moves it to a C-, about what we all expected pre-season. A normal 9-4 with a bowl win would normally be a B- for me, but...the knee.
-Two losses (7-6), or worse, drops it to an easy F.

jwcane97 · Nov 13, 2023

Big one for me is the safeties. a B- is generous IMO. C- more like it. Good to great at tackling, definitely have some picks. But both Kam and JW take TERRIBLE angles, Kam bites on EVERY slant, and JW at times is Amari Carter 2.0; WHEN not IF he gets a flag for targeting.

P-Tizzle · Nov 13, 2023

PIPO said:
I didn’t want to go full mope and give Tyler an F and I didn’t really account for Emory in the overall grade.

It’s an overall F because that position was mostly responsible for the team record.

We deserve better from you.

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