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Notre Dame AD: ACC did “permanent damage”

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They’ve gone off the deep end
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
At first, when this was initially broached, I was “no way, rinky- dink conference“ but now (and with the ascendancy of TTU that could go far in the playoffs) I’m starting to come around a little bit.

I see what you’re saying. I’m not totally sold yet. I lean more towards the other two, but still… you have my attention. The concept of Miami/TTU/Notre Dame in that conference is an interesting one.
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This is where I’m at. Two or three years ago @Memnon was talking B12 being a place we should go to and he knows his **** but I didn’t get it then. Here I am today.
 
Ajcane8 said:
Well, duh - those two teams are not currently in the power2, nor do they have a sweetheart deal with their own media company and another conference that subsidizes all of their non-rev sports. Getting into the BiG would be an obvious boon for any current (full member) ACC team - is that true for Our Lady? I don't know. What is notre dame without its NBC deal and independence? With your 3 titles since leather helmets went the way of the dodo - the last one (stolen from us, by the way) having come before half the country was even born. You are like the drive-in movie theater or cigarettes - successful and popular when my 86-year-old grandpa was a teenager.

So, yes, ****ed - in the sense that you will no longer be able to wield that golden independence shield that you all so love and cherish. Besides, once the super league hits, you'll just be one of the other 24 members of the BIG North conference - forced to actually share your ball and play with all of the poverty teams that you've looked down on for a century.

And - please please please blow up your ACC deal. First and foremost, our baseball team has no business being snowed out of a weekend series in late March. Second, not only would that likely facilitate our move to one of the two majors, but without the 5-6 acc games you are gifted a year, there is no way you have a competent schedule. Because it's when, not if, 2/3 of those games get canned. At least for the ACC/SEC teams that will have 9 conference games and already have a yearly crossover. As Cali said, there is a 0.0% chance the gator ever plays in South Bend. So, you'll get to play your Purdues and your Navys and your Boston Colleges... just like every other year, but instead of USC, Pitt and Miami, you'll get UNLV, Marshall and FIU.

Have fun on the couch next week.
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ND is apparently a relic from your grandpa’s youth, yet they’re still the one program the BIG and SEC would welcome with open arms. And if that did happen, it would, by your own admission, hit the ACC so hard that Miami could finally live out its dream of getting out too.

You’re assigning quite a bit of power to a team you seem to believe is an irrelevant antique.

ND allegedly gets around $50-60M a year from NBC - nobody really knows the exact number. There are other financial perks to being independent, but I couldn't tell you what that is in a dollar figure. Most assume joining the BIG woudl actually increase revenues b/c they have a massive TV deal but I have no idea.

I do agree, it's headed towards super leagues, so I doubt it really matters in the long term.
 
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NBCOwnsUs said:
ND is apparently a relic from your grandpa’s youth, yet they’re still the one program the BIG and SEC would welcome with open arms. And if that did happen, it would, by your own admission, hit the ACC so hard that Miami could finally live out its dream of getting out too.

You’re assigning quite a bit of power to a team you seem to believe is an irrelevant antique.

ND allegedly gets around $50-60M a year from NBC - nobody really knows the exact number. There are other financial perks to being independent, but I couldn't tell you what that is in a dollar figure. Most assume joining the BIG woudl actually increase revenues b/c they have a massive TV deal but I have no idea.

I do agree, it's headed towards super leagues, so I doubt it really matters in the long term.
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I mean, for some reason (it’s the harmful addictive chemicals) people still do smoke - so those billion dollar industries are surviving. But, you might’ve noticed, Joe Camel is no longer on billboards fronting Sunset Blvd.

So, sure, enjoy your money and “prestige” - just don’t pretend like either of those things equate to any type of real power. If they did, you’d probably be playing another game this year.
 
Canesrule230 said:
What’s funny/sad about this is that the ACC should have a leg up against the b12 with the brands it has (Miami/FSU/Clemson/UNC).

But the ACCs leadership has done such a p*ss poor job that the b12 actually feels like the stronger conference.
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I'd say smarter, not stronger. The committee thought a 2 loss Miami was better than a 2 loss BYU. If the committee felt the Big XII was the stronger conference, wouldn't they have put in BYU over Miami? It seems to me that conference is Texas Tech and that's about it based on how badly they beat BYU twice this year.

The ACC is ridiculously dumb though. At the beginning of November when they saw there was an opportunity for Duke to get into the ACC Championship Game, they should have had a conference call and voted to change the 2nd tiebreaker to highest ranked to avoid the embarrassment. All the other conferences had the same tiebreakers basically, just the ACC had the dumb luck to bite them in their ***.
 
NBCOwnsUs said:
ND is apparently a relic from your grandpa’s youth, yet they’re still the one program the BIG and SEC would welcome with open arms. And if that did happen, it would, by your own admission, hit the ACC so hard that Miami could finally live out its dream of getting out too.

You’re assigning quite a bit of power to a team you seem to believe is an irrelevant antique.

ND allegedly gets around $50-60M a year from NBC - nobody really knows the exact number. There are other financial perks to being independent, but I couldn't tell you what that is in a dollar figure. Most assume joining the BIG woudl actually increase revenues b/c they have a massive TV deal but I have no idea.

I do agree, it's headed towards super leagues, so I doubt it really matters in the long term.
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I think everyone has had enough of your cutesy crap. Now you have to deal with me.

Notre Dame is a fine program with fine history that you should be proud of. But "being independent" is not what defines Notre Dame, no matter what some would have you believe. Having been a Miami student in the 1980s, I know full well what it's like to be an independent team. ****, Miami won 4 national championships as an independent (no, "wearing the Big East patch" in 1991 means nothing, as we played THREE conference games that year, fewer than Notre Dame's FIVE games against ACC teams in 2025).

It is not so much that Notre Dame "the school" is an irrelevant antique/relic from your grandpa's youth, so much as it is YOUR BUSINESS MODEL that is the problem. If there were still dozens of independent teams and TV coverage had not become so regimented, we could all frolic about half-naked like we used to do.

But times have changed. And while you currently get a nice chunk of change from NBC (which literally has NOTHING ELSE in the college football space), TV times change as well, and the executive who championed ND last time may be long gone by the time of your next contract window.

More importantly, if trends continue (and, yes, trends can always reverse), with fewer P4 teams wanting to schedule Notre Dame, then the inventory of games that were once worth $50M to NBC could become worth far less. Like it or not, Notre Dame is half (and, sure, "more than half") of each scheduled game. Just for ***** and giggles, I'd like to see Notre Dame enter its next contract window with a proposal to NBC that says Notre Dame will ONLY be scheduling G6 opponents and a couple of I-AA teams. THEN we would be able to see what Notre Dame is worth, ON ITS OWN.

So we can see it in scheduling, we can see it in TV contracts, and we are starting to see it in the CFP process, regardless of the new "guarantee" that Notre Dame will be getting. Look, I was not thrilled for Miami to join the Big East. And most days I'm not really happy with the ACC either. But the benefits of conference membership tend to outweigh "what you lose" when you give up independence.

Besides, Miami doesn't "need" Notre Dame to get into the Big 10, it's just nicer to enter a new situation when paired with a rival, which for Miami could also be "Florida State". We'll see what develops over the next year or two, but you can stop acting like Notre Dame is the sun and all the rest of us revolve around Notre Dame. The vast majority of the Notre Dame national championships ARE (essentially) ancient history, as in "before black players were allowed to play".

Notre Dame is a good school, but you are not "defined" by your football independence. It was a quaint designation at one point, but time marches on. Notre Dame has enough tradition and history to continue to exist without clutching onto the cold, dead hands of "major independent", as if that will save Notre Dame from the inevitable changes of time moving on.

Grow up. Join a conference. Figure out who you are without that "independent" crutch. Try winning a championship or two.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I think everyone has had enough of your cutesy crap. Now you have to deal with me.

Notre Dame is a fine program with fine history that you should be proud of. But "being independent" is not what defines Notre Dame, no matter what some would have you believe. Having been a Miami student in the 1980s, I know full well what it's like to be an independent team. ****, Miami won 4 national championships as an independent (no, "wearing the Big East patch" in 1991 means nothing, as we played THREE conference games that year, fewer than Notre Dame's FIVE games against ACC teams in 2025).

It is not so much that Notre Dame "the school" is an irrelevant antique/relic from your grandpa's youth, so much as it is YOUR BUSINESS MODEL that is the problem. If there were still dozens of independent teams and TV coverage had not become so regimented, we could all frolic about half-naked like we used to do.

But times have changed. And while you currently get a nice chunk of change from NBC (which literally has NOTHING ELSE in the college football space), TV times change as well, and the executive who championed ND last time may be long gone by the time of your next contract window.

More importantly, if trends continue (and, yes, trends can always reverse), with fewer P4 teams wanting to schedule Notre Dame, then the inventory of games that were once worth $50M to NBC could become worth far less. Like it or not, Notre Dame is half (and, sure, "more than half") of each scheduled game. Just for ***** and giggles, I'd like to see Notre Dame enter its next contract window with a proposal to NBC that says Notre Dame will ONLY be scheduling G6 opponents and a couple of I-AA teams. THEN we would be able to see what Notre Dame is worth, ON ITS OWN.

So we can see it in scheduling, we can see it in TV contracts, and we are starting to see it in the CFP process, regardless of the new "guarantee" that Notre Dame will be getting. Look, I was not thrilled for Miami to join the Big East. And most days I'm not really happy with the ACC either. But the benefits of conference membership tend to outweigh "what you lose" when you give up independence.

Besides, Miami doesn't "need" Notre Dame to get into the Big 10, it's just nicer to enter a new situation when paired with a rival, which for Miami could also be "Florida State". We'll see what develops over the next year or two, but you can stop acting like Notre Dame is the sun and all the rest of us revolve around Notre Dame. The vast majority of the Notre Dame national championships ARE (essentially) ancient history, as in "before black players were allowed to play".

Notre Dame is a good school, but you are not "defined" by your football independence. It was a quaint designation at one point, but time marches on. Notre Dame has enough tradition and history to continue to exist without clutching onto the cold, dead hands of "major independent", as if that will save Notre Dame from the inevitable changes of time moving on.

Grow up. Join a conference. Figure out who you are without that "independent" crutch. Try winning a championship or two.
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Ditto.

But, for those of us under 35, the most memorable thing about them is their Heisman finalist linebacker getting catfished.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I think everyone has had enough of your cutesy crap. Now you have to deal with me.

Notre Dame is a fine program with fine history that you should be proud of. But "being independent" is not what defines Notre Dame, no matter what some would have you believe. Having been a Miami student in the 1980s, I know full well what it's like to be an independent team. ****, Miami won 4 national championships as an independent (no, "wearing the Big East patch" in 1991 means nothing, as we played THREE conference games that year, fewer than Notre Dame's FIVE games against ACC teams in 2025).

It is not so much that Notre Dame "the school" is an irrelevant antique/relic from your grandpa's youth, so much as it is YOUR BUSINESS MODEL that is the problem. If there were still dozens of independent teams and TV coverage had not become so regimented, we could all frolic about half-naked like we used to do.

But times have changed. And while you currently get a nice chunk of change from NBC (which literally has NOTHING ELSE in the college football space), TV times change as well, and the executive who championed ND last time may be long gone by the time of your next contract window.

More importantly, if trends continue (and, yes, trends can always reverse), with fewer P4 teams wanting to schedule Notre Dame, then the inventory of games that were once worth $50M to NBC could become worth far less. Like it or not, Notre Dame is half (and, sure, "more than half") of each scheduled game. Just for ***** and giggles, I'd like to see Notre Dame enter its next contract window with a proposal to NBC that says Notre Dame will ONLY be scheduling G6 opponents and a couple of I-AA teams. THEN we would be able to see what Notre Dame is worth, ON ITS OWN.

So we can see it in scheduling, we can see it in TV contracts, and we are starting to see it in the CFP process, regardless of the new "guarantee" that Notre Dame will be getting. Look, I was not thrilled for Miami to join the Big East. And most days I'm not really happy with the ACC either. But the benefits of conference membership tend to outweigh "what you lose" when you give up independence.

Besides, Miami doesn't "need" Notre Dame to get into the Big 10, it's just nicer to enter a new situation when paired with a rival, which for Miami could also be "Florida State". We'll see what develops over the next year or two, but you can stop acting like Notre Dame is the sun and all the rest of us revolve around Notre Dame. The vast majority of the Notre Dame national championships ARE (essentially) ancient history, as in "before black players were allowed to play".

Notre Dame is a good school, but you are not "defined" by your football independence. It was a quaint designation at one point, but time marches on. Notre Dame has enough tradition and history to continue to exist without clutching onto the cold, dead hands of "major independent", as if that will save Notre Dame from the inevitable changes of time moving on.

Grow up. Join a conference. Figure out who you are without that "independent" crutch. Try winning a championship or two.
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I appreciate the warning, but there’s really nothing in your post that’s particularly controversial. You make some fair points.

I don’t believe Miami needs ND to join the Big Ten or to get out of the ACC. Another poster compared ND to a dated drive-in theater while also suggesting ND somehow has the power to collapse the ACC and free Miami. I was responding to that contradiction, not implying Miami relies on Notre Dame for anything.

I see the surface level positives and negatives of staying indy versus joining the BIG. I don't have a deep understanding of all the long-term benefits and consequences. I can’t stand watching games on NBC, and prefer ABC to FOX, so it looks like I’m ****ed either way on that front
 
NBCOwnsUs said:
I appreciate the warning, but there’s really nothing in your post that’s particularly controversial. You make some fair points.

I don’t believe Miami needs ND to join the Big Ten or to get out of the ACC. Another poster compared ND to a dated drive-in theater while also suggesting ND somehow has the power to collapse the ACC and free Miami. I was responding to that contradiction, not implying Miami relies on Notre Dame for anything.

I see the surface level positives and negatives of staying indy versus joining the BIG. I don't have a deep understanding of all the long-term benefits and consequences. I can’t stand watching games on NBC, and prefer ABC to FOX, so it looks like I’m ****ed either way on that front
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There’s no contradiction, silly ****.

I said, verbatim, “likely facilitate our move” - did not say you guys have the power to do anything, least of which “collapse the acc.”

In fact, your lack of control, despite that grossly overinflated sense of self, is the focal point of the discussion.

Again, please do enjoy pumping up our ratings next weekend.
 
Ajcane8 said:
There’s no contradiction, silly ****.

I said, verbatim, “likely facilitate our move” - did not say you guys have the power to do anything, least of which “collapse the acc.”

In fact, your lack of control, despite that grossly overinflated sense of self, is the focal point of the discussion.

Again, please do enjoy pumping up our ratings next weekend.
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I think your ratings will be great. Only game worth watching in the first round.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
I think everyone has had enough of your cutesy crap. Now you have to deal with me.

Notre Dame is a fine program with fine history that you should be proud of. But "being independent" is not what defines Notre Dame, no matter what some would have you believe. Having been a Miami student in the 1980s, I know full well what it's like to be an independent team. ****, Miami won 4 national championships as an independent (no, "wearing the Big East patch" in 1991 means nothing, as we played THREE conference games that year, fewer than Notre Dame's FIVE games against ACC teams in 2025).

It is not so much that Notre Dame "the school" is an irrelevant antique/relic from your grandpa's youth, so much as it is YOUR BUSINESS MODEL that is the problem. If there were still dozens of independent teams and TV coverage had not become so regimented, we could all frolic about half-naked like we used to do.

But times have changed. And while you currently get a nice chunk of change from NBC (which literally has NOTHING ELSE in the college football space), TV times change as well, and the executive who championed ND last time may be long gone by the time of your next contract window.

More importantly, if trends continue (and, yes, trends can always reverse), with fewer P4 teams wanting to schedule Notre Dame, then the inventory of games that were once worth $50M to NBC could become worth far less. Like it or not, Notre Dame is half (and, sure, "more than half") of each scheduled game. Just for ***** and giggles, I'd like to see Notre Dame enter its next contract window with a proposal to NBC that says Notre Dame will ONLY be scheduling G6 opponents and a couple of I-AA teams. THEN we would be able to see what Notre Dame is worth, ON ITS OWN.

So we can see it in scheduling, we can see it in TV contracts, and we are starting to see it in the CFP process, regardless of the new "guarantee" that Notre Dame will be getting. Look, I was not thrilled for Miami to join the Big East. And most days I'm not really happy with the ACC either. But the benefits of conference membership tend to outweigh "what you lose" when you give up independence.

Besides, Miami doesn't "need" Notre Dame to get into the Big 10, it's just nicer to enter a new situation when paired with a rival, which for Miami could also be "Florida State". We'll see what develops over the next year or two, but you can stop acting like Notre Dame is the sun and all the rest of us revolve around Notre Dame. The vast majority of the Notre Dame national championships ARE (essentially) ancient history, as in "before black players were allowed to play".

Notre Dame is a good school, but you are not "defined" by your football independence. It was a quaint designation at one point, but time marches on. Notre Dame has enough tradition and history to continue to exist without clutching onto the cold, dead hands of "major independent", as if that will save Notre Dame from the inevitable changes of time moving on.

Grow up. Join a conference. Figure out who you are without that "independent" crutch. Try winning a championship or two.
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Great Points; I will add however that NBC does have partial B1G Broadcast rights as part of that conferences multi-network deal.

https://apnews.com/article/college-...s-basketball-4b4daca65e3359ef8ca94f893e4c46e9

"Starting in 2023, NBC will launch “Big Ten Saturday Night” in prime time and broadcast 15-16 games per season. The agreement with NBC also includes eight football games and dozens of men’s and women’s basketball games per season to be exclusively streamed on Peacock, the network’s online subscription service."

It will be interesting to see how the ratings of those games compares to the ND games, how much ad revenue each telecast gets from certain advertisers, etc.
 
CaneinBroward said:
I'd say smarter, not stronger. The committee thought a 2 loss Miami was better than a 2 loss BYU. If the committee felt the Big XII was the stronger conference, wouldn't they have put in BYU over Miami? It seems to me that conference is Texas Tech and that's about it based on how badly they beat BYU twice this year.

The ACC is ridiculously dumb though. At the beginning of November when they saw there was an opportunity for Duke to get into the ACC Championship Game, they should have had a conference call and voted to change the 2nd tiebreaker to highest ranked to avoid the embarrassment. All the other conferences had the same tiebreakers basically, just the ACC had the dumb luck to bite them in their ***.
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The ACC’s retarded championship criteria REALLY ended up helping us out, I mean we got an extra week of rest & beating UVA MAYBE gets us to 8 to play OU but I highly doubt it and that extra game is just more wear and tear on our guys.

Sure I would’ve liked for us to not have had the drama on selection Sunday but having to play 1 less game is huge. But we know this will never happen again because the ACC is about to change these rules immediately.

Our guys have a real chance to be fresh for a run and with A&M, OSU and (potentially) UGA waiting for us we are going to need it.
 
StevoBevo said:
The ACC’s retarded championship criteria REALLY ended up helping us out, I mean we got an extra week of rest & beating UVA MAYBE gets us to 8 to play OU but I highly doubt it and that extra game is just more wear and tear on our guys.

Sure I would’ve liked for us to not have had the drama on selection Sunday but having to play 1 less game is huge. But we know this will never happen again because the ACC is about to change these rules immediately.

Our guys have a real chance to be fresh for a run and with A&M, OSU and (potentially) UGA waiting for us we are going to need it.
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All the other conferences will be changing theirs as well for the same reason. I'm not complaining about not making the ACC Championship game since the Canes made it in anyway and like you said, without playing an extra game.

I was just responding to the previous post saying the Big XII is perceived as stronger than the ACC. I'm just saying that the public perception of the ACC is they are stupid because of giving a 5 loss team a shot at the conference championship. Moreso than weakness in comparison to the Big XII.
 
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