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Notre Dame AD: ACC did “permanent damage”

TerragonSix said:
Not our fault. Not the ACC's fault. They are going to give priority to a team thats in full standing in the conference, rather than your part-time asses.

I will agree (albeit throwing up in my mouth at the thought of defending ND), that they have a legitimate ***** that Alabama gets to be in, even though they got their clock cleaned by Georgia and got beat by FSU.

But their ***** shouldn't be with us, or the ACC. YOU guys chose to remain independent. YOU guys chose to be a part-time conference team. YOU guys got beat by us and didn't handle your business. You know the more I think about it; the concept of "Notre Dame gets an autobid in the playoffs if they have 2 losses" might be legally questionable. No other team (other than Alabama under the table apparently), has that kind of deal the CFP. What's going to happen if they lose to two cupcakes, and 1-2 loss teams that had quality schedules get shut out of the playoffs because ND is guaranteed a spot? That smells like a lawsuit to me.
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I'm not suggesting it's Miami's fault at all. I'm stating the obvious - the ACC is incompetent. That's a problem for anyone involved with them, whether its fully involved like Miami or half *** involved like ND.
 
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This may not be a popular opinion, but to me this is just more evidence that Phillips is a light weight.

ND is a member of the ACC in every sport except football, hockey, and rugby (the latter two I am presuming the ACC does not have). To publicly campaign for one conference member over another was predictably going to expose you to MAJOR fallout while doing nothing to move the needle with the committee. This kind of thing should be done through surrogates in the media and behind closed doors.

Moreover, when Phillips saw the nightmare tiebreaker scenarios potentially unfolding about 5 weeks ago, he should have convened an emergency meeting and put a new tiebreaker system on the table and strong armed the schools into passing it. Instead, he fiddled while Rome burned and rolled out an embarassment of an ACCCG that very nearly got the ACC shut out from the playoff altogether.

I understand there is no sympathy for ND, but Phillips is not a serious commissioner and he needs to go. He's playing Geometry Dash while Sankey is playing chess.
 
NBCOwnsUs said:
The biggest issue with the ACC is the incompetent leadership that somehow managed to exclude their best team from the CCG in favor of a ****** five loss Duke. That cost ND a spot, which I’m sure everyone here is furious about. But it nearly cost Miami a playoff spot too - if Virgina beats Duke I think it's less likely the committee flips ND/Miami. Who the **** really knows, though. I’m pretty confident it screwed Miami out of hosting a playoff game, which would have increased your odds of making a run.


Depends on how you look at it. It will cost the ACC a lot of money. It will make it more difficult on ND to schedule and may cost them their independence, but it wouldn't cost them money.
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This is not really accurate.

If ND joins any other conference, they owe an exit fee to us. So unless ND is fine with playing G5 teams from now on as an Indy, they would have to pay the conference.

The TV ratings ND brings is a total myth. Numbers show a very clear picture of that.
 
Kn[]_[]ckles3o5 said:
How much money does the ACC get if ND makes the playoff…. There’s your ******* answer Pete.
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NBCOwnsUs said:
I'm not suggesting it's Miami's fault at all. I'm stating the obvious - the ACC is incompetent. That's a problem for anyone involved with them, whether its fully involved like Miami or half *** involved like ND.
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If the ACC had half a brain cell, they would fix this conference championship business next year. It looks so dumb and so ridiculous (even if you're not a Miami fan), when Duke with five losses wins the ACC championship. And everybody KNOWS they aren't the best team in the conference. But because of a convoluted tiebreaker harder to figure out than Chinese arithmetic, here we are.
 
caneworld said:
Not really , they already took one G5... it's a matter of interpretation..
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They have to take the five highest-rated conference champions. Everyone assumed that meant one G5 champ plus the ACC, Big Ten, SEC, and Big 12 winners. Instead, JMU ended up taking the ACC’s spot. There’s no interpretation needed - JMU was the 5th highest rated conference champ, so they must be in.
 
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RozayCane said:
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What kind of world am I living in where Paul Finebaum and Stephen A are making clear, coherent, logical points actually on the right side of an argument? Paul even brought up the COVID year gift the ACC gave them and they both shredded ND for acting this way because of that.

That new moderator, though, oof, she is awful. She's trying to be a talking head instead of being a moderator. She's been on the ND train this whole time and is still defending them.
 
I didnt read all 9 pages of this thread but here's my question:

Does the ACC hold any cards related to ND being in the ACC for all of the other sports? I.e.; Is ND's participation in the ACC non-revenue sports contingent upon them scheduling some football games? If it isnt then its yet another galactic failure of the ACC.


My belief is that ND would be in a world of hurt trying to schedule women's sports and other non-revenue generating men's sports in the current mega-conference era. i can envision a scenario where they'd have to join the MAC or something similar to keep the Title IX animals at bay.
 
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Hold My Beer said:
"We're independent and nobody can do a thing about it crusade" is on its last legs

Once the ACC implodes in the next 6-18 months, Notre Dame is officially on the clock.

Almost half of ND's 12-game schedule is made up of ACC games — so what happens when those schools leave for the SEC, B1G or Big XII? Who are Marcus Freeman and them gonna play -- a bunch of G5 schools week after week?

Power conference teams are locked in with their league schedules in October and November. They're not going to mix in a game to help out the Irish when the goal is making the CFP. Way more to lose than gain in that scenario.

Notre Dame's powerbrokers and many of its fans have greatly overestimated their value to the rest of the College Football world.

Nobody — not even the Big XII imo — is giving them this one foot in, one foot out deal that Jim Phillips foolishly agreed to.

Notre Dame will join the Big Ten because there won't be any other choice
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Although I'd rather be in the SEC, isn't this a great time for ND and UM to join forces and get into the big10? Doesn't Big10 want to be like the SEC and get 4-5 teams in the playoff EVERY YEAR? ND and apparently now UM can be playoff contenders for years to come. OSU, Indiana, Mich, USC, UM, ND, Penn State, maybe others. That's equal to or better than SEC: bama, lsu, UGA, TX, TAMU, OU. Ole miss will fade back into mediocrity.
 
HTXCane said:
ND needs the ACC as much as the ACC needs ND in the current state. The ACC agreement fills their schedule. Without that agreement, ND will have a hard time filling their season with P4 teams. It will be a bunch of G5 and USC plus one more if they backed out of it and went totally independent.
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And the AD at USC is hedging her bet on the series - wants it early in the year, i.e., August, or not at all.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
They were 4-1 in the ACC. I'm assuming it wouldn't have been all that hard to beat three additional teams.

So...UVa vs. ND...
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Theoretically, if ND was in the ACC this past year, the ACCG could have been ND-UM.
UM would not have played 1 team that it did play. 1 in 3.5 chance we don’t play SMU or LU.
Couple in the added wins of ND to UM’s conference winning % and we win the tie breaker with UVA.
 
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