Not Players. Not Coaches. The Real Root of the Problem.

[Number1CanesFan]

I didn’t say I want him fired. I want him to not be the hard headed meatball many feared he would be re: offense and in game corching.

He didn’t have the team ready for So Miss or MTSU.

That is weak sauce for which he gets no pass.

He has also made his bed with TVD and divided the locker room blaming the WRs.

I agree on the 2 games, but not with TVD.

TVD has struggled in the new offense. He looks like a rookie freshman starring down and throwing to his 1st WR option. If anything, he should have been pulled earlier. In 4 games, TVD hasn't shown anything except regression. That's happened to Brandon Armstrong at UVA as well running Tony Elliot's Clemson offense.

I don't forsee any split locker room. According to some CIS posts, the WRs don't like TVD. The WRs and offense looked much better with Garcia running the offense.

I think Jake showed enough to get an opportunity to play, if not start.

 

[AlexCane]

This goes beyond MTSU. And yes, the coaching was bad yesterday, but you’re going to give the players a pass as well? No accountability from their end? This is part of the problem I’m talking about.

This colossal a failure cannot be on the players. This roster is far too talented compared to the opposing team to blame this loss on the players.

 

[Angry Ibis]

I agree on the 2 games, but not with TVD.

TVD has struggled in the new offense. He looks like a rookie freshman starring down and throwing to his 1st WR option. If anything, he should have been pulled earlier. In 4 games, TVD hasn't shown anything except regression. That's happened to Brandon Armstrong at UVA as well running Tony Elliot's Clemson offense.

I don't forsee any split locker room. According to some CIS posts, the WRs don't like TVD. The WRs and offense looked much better with Garcia running the offense.

I think Jake showed enough to get an opportunity to play, if not start.

I think we are saying the same re:QB. He built up the TVD hype but has him playing in a system that’s not working for anyone.

Now, he’s forced to defend his QB vs blaming his WR and OC… all his doing to try to calm the early concerns that he’d run an offense not suited for our talent base…

(That’s smartest guy in the room type stuff)

 

[Nomadiccane]

While this is true, it’s still no excuse to be absolutely man-handled for 4 quarters at home to a team that lost to James Madison by 37.

The receiver that torched us had 3 receptions coming into this game.

We were 26 point favorites.

App states a pretty good ball team. Went toe to toe with UNC and bullied the Aggies …JMU beat them. I’m not saying these teams SHOULD be competing with the big boys but they are and no one can be overlooked. These kids come ready to play

 

[hoops156]

Don’t overthink it. This isn’t a culture problem. Culture doesn’t explain losing to MTSU at home. This was bad, bad coaching.

nah let them think its culture bc mr 305 likes to spout off some good pressers. I hate the fans more than these coaches now

 

[Hurracanes]

The head coach sets the culture. Teams are a reflection of their coach. You set expectations and then you hold everyone accountable. Not just on game days, but for practice, and training, and study, and everything else. And not just for the players, but for the rest of the coaching staff too. I don't care how talented a player is, if they are not outworking everyone else, you don't play them. If assistants are complacent or phoning it in, send them packing.

If the head coach doesn't set the culture, the slackers and the knuckleheads will.

Agreed but you’re out of your mind if you think this happens by September in year 1. Next year, is a different story as far as “culture” is concerned.

 

[arinand1]

**** FSU and the rivalry that some care so much about. Miami cannot lose to MTSU - coaching and talent should have overcome that… culture and physicality are corporate buzzword excuses until proven otherwise

Buzzword excuses? Then by what mysticism do you expect this program to improve, exactly? Miraculously recruiting top 5 classes and players not giving up on plays?

The “culture” (or whatever phrasing you prefer to use to describe the prevailing attitude and state of mind) has been toxic for going on two decades now. Am I going to pretend to know precisely how the staff fixes that? Of course not, but it IS what needs to be changed.

There is no other rational explanation for what we continue to see from these players: one loss and everyone comes out looking sluggish, depressed, not giving a **** about losing. That is a “culture” issue and I don’t see how it’s debatable.
For example, and this is not what you said but what I’ve seen a lot of: if I see one more post about how we just don’t have enough talent yet to beat MIDDLE TENNESSEE STATE, I sincerely don’t think I can stomach it. That’s completely absurd. It falls on both players AND coaches, ultimately.

Bottom line is that Mario and his staff are going to have to start holding everyone accountable for everything, regardless of talent or if they look like all-stars in practice. The specifics of how they do that, again I couldn’t say or I would be lying.

 

[HitStick2620]

nah let them think its culture bc mr 305 likes to spout off some good pressers. I hate the fans more than these coaches now

You just don’t like the word culture, but we’re saying the same thing. Mario needs to hire more forward thinking, motivated people around him to mitigate his weaknesses. This has been a problem here with every coach as we are always playing catch up in regards to off field, on field and everything modern in CFB.

My only point is the players deserve some blame too. If there are players in that locker room who take no accountability and believe they only lost yesterday because of coaches then that is the mentality we need to weed out.

 

[Angry Ibis]

Buzzword excuses? Then by what mysticism do you expect this program to improve, exactly? Miraculously recruiting top 5 classes and players not giving up on plays?

The “culture” (or whatever phrasing you prefer to use to describe the prevailing attitude and state of mind) has been toxic for going on two decades now. Am I going to pretend to know precisely how the staff fixes that? Of course not, but it IS what needs to be changed.

There is no other rational explanation for what we continue to see from these players: one loss and everyone comes out looking sluggish, depressed, not giving a **** about losing. That is a “culture” issue and I don’t see how it’s debatable.
For example, and this is not what you said but what I’ve seen a lot of: if I see one more post about how we just don’t have enough talent yet to beat MIDDLE TENNESSEE STATE, I sincerely don’t think I can stomach it. That’s completely absurd. It falls on both players AND coaches, ultimately.

Bottom line is that Mario and his staff are going to have to start holding everyone accountable for everything, regardless of talent or if they look like all-stars in practice. The specifics of how they do that, again I couldn’t say or I would be lying.

Buzzwords are simply the difference between talking the talk and walking the walk…

4 games in…. All squawk, no rock!

 

[hoops156]

You just don’t like the word culture, but we’re saying the same thing. Mario needs to hire more forward thinking, motivated people around him to mitigate his weaknesses. This has been a problem here with every coach as we are always playing catch up in regards to off field, on field and everything modern in CFB.

My only point is the players deserve some blame too. If there are players in that locker room who take no accountability and believe they only lost yesterday because of coaches then that is the mentality we need to weed out.

its on the players too. what im tired of seeing is that every week we blamed basically only the players and excused the coaches. last night wasn't a solely a player issue. we got out coached by the guys on the sidelines too. when you have players saying they weren't prepared for the game - thats coaching

 

[bobbo31]

Ancdotel hot garbage.

This is year 1 for Mario. What year is it for prison Mike? What was his record the past two seasons?

Face the facts. This is a culture rebuild. We expected too much too soon including me. Yesterday showed me where we really are.

I don’t know. Mario was around these kids for 8 months before the season rolled around. He didn’t see enough of a rebuild to bring in more than 10 guys in the portal? He could have brought in 15-20 guys from the portal like a lot of other schools did. He was out scored by 59 points in 2 games against Utah last year, won 2 rose bowls with a QB who in year 3 is already a top 5 QB. His track record and the start of this season has to have everyone concerned at the least.

Obviously all of us have to see how this plays out because there is $80mill and 10 years tied to him whether some of us like it or not but it hasn’t gotten of to a very good start on the field.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

Ancdotel hot garbage.

This is year 1 for Mario. What year is it for prison Mike? What was his record the past two seasons?

Face the facts. This is a culture rebuild. We expected too much too soon including me. Yesterday showed me where we really are.

Yeah man. We just need to rid the program of Cokerized players and the country club mentality, then we’ll be fine. Give Shannon a chance. Wait, what?

 

[SayWhat]

It's scheme and to some extent players. It's a combo of both, but on the real, the players are good enough to win against that team yesterday.

Now if you want to get on the players, I'll single out the corners. None of them are good enough and to MTSU's credit, they had guys at WR who were faster and wanted it more. So thay brings me back to scheme, give them some help, they weren't scary on the ground. Their go routes killed every corner we had and it was almost a fluke because that QB they had couldn't hit the broadside of a barn in most cases. Boy was dropping dimes down the field though.

OL, not good enough, but faced with 7 to 8 in the box, you're going to lose that battle.

QB, self explanatory.

Team overall, probably more focused on what they were doing that evening post game than being ready to throttle this team from the first whistle. I don't think for one second any of them gave MTSU a chance. When we started the way we did, maybe they lost faith in what they were doing, they've seen this before. You keep running into crowded boxes like that and. TVD can't hit simple routes, that creeps into your mind as a player.

Saw a spark with Garcia, both side of the field had it. They saw the boy could throw and adjusted to stop any big gains down the field and stopped loading up the box. Scoreboard and clock was to their advantage and the rest is history.

So ultimately it's on the staff. Give them a reason to believe, they'll play harder and execute better. I don't believe Gattis has a plan that'll work and Steele needs to account for our deficiency at the corners. I think their success against a Gattis offense has lulled him into a false sense of security with what they're capable of. You see them doing work in practice, they can cover, but gotta consider what you're going up against. He's used to smothering offenses, maybe he needs to work more on keeping it all in front of them.

 

[Unsider]

The fans created unrealistic expectations. I thought we'd be a 10-2 team and after the AtM game, I would have doubled down on 10-2.
Nobody expected TVD to be as bad as he has been.

What yesterday showed me is the we have a culture problem and this is going to take time.

This, I agree. But I can’t for the life of me digest that after the ATM loss, we lose to an even lesser opponent. Perhaps I have it wrong, and we’re the lesser opponent, but under this all star coaching staff? Sheesh…

 

[FL Cane]

Don’t overthink it. This isn’t a culture problem. Culture doesn’t explain losing to MTSU at home. This was bad, bad coaching.

When you have inexcusable losses going back as long as we can remember, culture is a massive part of the problem. Coaches don’t get a pass, but this is a team that’s gone 28-21 over the past four years and has lost to G5’s before. This isn’t going to be a short process.

 

[FL Cane]

Huh? So you ready to fire Mario in year 1.

It's just funny that CoachHayesFootball on YouTube said this would happen several months ago.

The fanbase would turn on Mario and not give him time.

Y'all want water turned to wine and you want it yesterday.

Unrealistic fanbase. Mario can coach at Oregon, but not here. We have the best coaches as many fans rejoiced. Now they are trash.

What we have are deep rooted football cultural issues. I thought we had mostly moves past them, but it's rooted. It's going to take time and fans should give Mario the time he needs to change the culture and improve the roster.

Culture is a massive part of the failure here. When you’ve inherited a team that’s gone 28-21 over the last four years and has routinely lost to G5’s, this type of thing happens. There isn’t a good coach in the country (except Urban Meyer in 2012) that came in and turned around a broken culture in Year 1. Ours has been broken for 18 years, it’s gonna take longer than a few months and four games to sort that out.

Not excusing the debacle from yesterday, but it’s clear people on here are ignoring this key fact because it gets in the way of the narrative.

 

[UMercury21]

we were ranked 14th to start the season i don't think the fan base is allowed to vote in that poll, so i think a little more than us expect to win.

 

[calleja]

We assume that because that’s what he’s shown us thus far going back to Oregon and Herbert. I’m willing to give him the chance to fix it though, no matter how unlikely.

Yep. I believe it's called "not having a choice".

 

[The canesman]

Sometimes when you have the talent you can overcome a poor play call or coaches decision. Our 2001 championship team led by coach Coker proved that. nobody could have had this bunch ready for last nights beat down. They just didn’t want to play this game. They are not buying in to Mario’s “disciplined” vacation over, bag the jewelry, man up physical smash mouth football. They’re soft and didn’t mind the embarrassing *** kicking.

 

[AlexCane]

Culture is a massive part of the failure here. When you’ve inherited a team that’s gone 28-21 over the last four years and has routinely lost to G5’s, this type of thing happens. There isn’t a good coach in the country (except Urban Meyer in 2012) that came in and turned around a broken culture in Year 1. Ours has been broken for 18 years, it’s gonna take longer than a few months and four games to sort that out.

Not excusing the debacle from yesterday, but it’s clear people on here are ignoring this key fact because it gets in the way of the narrative.

You are the one creating the “culture” narrative. Culture could explain losing to a comparable team. Culture does not explain losing to a team that’s not even in a Power 5 conference.