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HitStick2620

HitStick2620

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Both players and coaches are to blame for the start to this season. It’s amazing that after 20 years of this and people are still entrenched on one side or the other. Something that’s more difficult to discern and fix: culture.

Nobody, except this fan base, expects us to win. Now or anytime in the future. Listen to any CFB tv show, radio show, podcast. This line of thinking has seeped into players we recruit and coaches who we hire. Both parties look at Miami as somewhere nice to live with no expectations and no sense of urgency at winning. This is a clear national narrative as Herbstreit mentioned a few times on the A&M broadcast he was worried we’d fold after one thing went wrong.

So how do we fix it? Mario is not complacent, but he is stubborn. He needs to surround himself with innovation and coaches who are hungry to win. For example, Kevin Steele and Charlie Strong are nice as extra guys, but they’ve been around for a while. Their resumes are already written. Are they going to go the absolute extra mile in coaching, recruiting, preparation that this university, specifically, needs? What desire and motivation do they have at actually bringing Miami back? (Not a shot at those 2 specifically, just a general philosophy I think Miami needs to adopt).

The harder part is the players. If we’re not going to get the top, top recruits, how do we identify the other kids who are highly skilled yet also highly motivated? Hopefully Mario has a good eye for this or we will continue to be plagued by a lack of effort and the unwillingness to overcome adversity.

We finally hired someone who actually cares, but this era hinges on his stubbornness. He hasn’t shown an ability or desire to adapt, but he needs to if this university wants to succeed.
 
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The head coach sets the culture. Teams are a reflection of their coach. You set expectations and then you hold everyone accountable. Not just on game days, but for practice, and training, and study, and everything else. And not just for the players, but for the rest of the coaching staff too. I don't care how talented a player is, if they are not outworking everyone else, you don't play them. If assistants are complacent or phoning it in, send them packing.

If the head coach doesn't set the culture, the slackers and the knuckleheads will.
 
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HitStick2620 said:
Both players and coaches are to blame for the start to this season. It’s amazing that after 20 years of this and people are still entrenched on one side or the other. Something that’s more difficult to discern and fix: culture.

Nobody, except this fan base, expects us to win. Now or anytime in the future. Listen to any CFB tv show, radio show, podcast. This line of thinking has seeped into players we recruit and coaches who we hire. Both parties look at Miami as somewhere nice to live with no expectations and no sense of urgency at winning. This is a clear national narrative as Herbstreit mentioned a few times on the A&M broadcast he was worried we’d fold after one thing went wrong.

So how do we fix it? Mario is not complacent, but he is stubborn. He needs to surround himself with innovation and coaches who are hungry to win. For example, Kevin Steele and Charlie Strong are nice as extra guys, but they’ve been around for a while. Their resumes are already written. Are they going to go the absolute extra mile in coaching, recruiting, preparation that this university, specifically, needs? What desire and motivation do they have at actually bringing Miami back? (Not a shot at those 2 specifically, just a general philosophy I think Miami needs to adopt).

The harder part is the players. If we’re not going to get the top, top recruits, how do we identify the other kids who are highly skilled yet also highly motivated? Hopefully Mario has a good eye for this or we will continue to be plagued by a lack of effort and the unwillingness to overcome adversity.

We finally hired someone who actually cares, but this era hinges on his stubbornness. He hasn’t shown an ability or desire to adapt, but he needs to if this university wants to succeed.
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This is pathetic. 9 months of "We have the best coaching staff" and now they are terrible.

NO!!!!

You are right on the culture, but not the coaches.

This post game anecdotal coaching analysis needs to end.
 
Angry Ibis said:
We lost to MTSU and have been out coached in at least 1/2 those games…

But hey FSU is 4-0, so the rivalry is strong..
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Ancdotel hot garbage.

This is year 1 for Mario. What year is it for prison Mike? What was his record the past two seasons?

Face the facts. This is a culture rebuild. We expected too much too soon including me. Yesterday showed me where we really are.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
This is pathetic. 9 months of "We have the best coaching staff" and now they are terrible.

NO!!!!

You are right on the culture, but not the coaches.

This post game anecdotal coaching analysis needs to end.
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Personally, I never said that about the coaches. This is the problem with this board in the off-season and why I stay off it during January-August. It’s all propaganda that posters like you eat up and then you act like you’ve see a ghost when we don’t go 12-0.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
Ancdotel hot garbage.

This is year 1 for Mario. What year is it for prison Mike? What was his record the past two seasons?

Face the facts. This is a culture rebuild. We expected too much too soon including me. Yesterday showed me where we really are.
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**** FSU and the rivalry that some care so much about. Miami cannot lose to MTSU - coaching and talent should have overcome that… culture and physicality are corporate buzzword excuses until proven otherwise
 
HitStick2620 said:
Personally, I never said that about the coaches. This is the problem with this board in the off-season and why I stay off it during January-August. It’s all propaganda that posters like you eat up and then you act like you’ve see a ghost when we don’t go 12-0.
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The fans created unrealistic expectations. I thought we'd be a 10-2 team and after the AtM game, I would have doubled down on 10-2.
Nobody expected TVD to be as bad as he has been.

What yesterday showed me is the we have a culture problem and this is going to take time.
 
Here’s the thing, or at least some hope I guess. Mario may be stubborn, but he’s not stupid. He didn’t win conference titles on accident, so at least we should be in a position to field a talented roster in a few years.

Mario understands this fanbase and the expectations that come with his salary + the money being put into this program. Winning is all that matters. I do trust that he’ll make adjustments - both with himself and the staff members.

Question for y’all: why do we assume Mario’s identity has to equal a slow, plodding offense that wears down the opposing defense? Isn’t there a world where we can have an explosive passing game with a lethal running attack that stays on the field?

USC Is a great example tbh. Riley actually doesn’t operate very up tempo. He did at times last night to try to get Caleb Williams in a groove (btw that cat has some Spencer Rattler in him, he’s not very good), but mostly it was a methodical approach that featured a dynamic rushing attack.
 
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Idk if people actually watch football and pay attention to scores but across the country, the gap is narrowing. G5 times and “lesser” power 5 teams are full of kids with something to prove and the covid year along with the transfer portal gave them one more shot at proving they belong. Everyone talking about culture and I agree, we need a team of guys with some self pride. Those teams are full of kids that have a burning desire to prove everyone wrong. And they’re doing it, just check the scores
 
Nomadiccane said:
Idk if people actually watch football and pay attention to scores but across the country, the gap is narrowing. G5 times and “lesser” power 5 teams are full of kids with something to prove and the covid year along with the transfer portal gave them one more shot at proving they belong. Everyone talking about culture and I agree, we need a team of guys with some self pride. Those teams are full of kids that have a burning desire to prove everyone wrong. And they’re doing it, just check the scores
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While this is true, it’s still no excuse to be absolutely man-handled for 4 quarters at home to a team that lost to James Madison by 37.

The receiver that torched us had 3 receptions coming into this game.

We were 26 point favorites.
 
WeBallinBoyz said:
Here’s the thing, or at least some hope I guess. Mario may be stubborn, but he’s not stupid. He didn’t win conference titles on accident, so at least we should be in a position to field a talented roster in a few years.

Mario understands this fanbase and the expectations that come with his salary + the money being put into this program. Winning is all that matters. I do trust that he’ll make adjustments - both with himself and the staff members.

Question for y’all: why do we assume Mario’s identity has to equal a slow, plodding offense that wears down the opposing defense? Isn’t there a world where we can have an explosive passing game with a lethal running attack that stays on the field?

USC Is a great example tbh. Riley actually doesn’t operate very up tempo. He did at times last night to try to get Caleb Williams in a groove (btw that cat has some Spencer Rattler in him, he’s not very good), but mostly it was a methodical approach that featured a dynamic rushing attack.
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We assume that because that’s what he’s shown us thus far going back to Oregon and Herbert. I’m willing to give him the chance to fix it though, no matter how unlikely.
 
HitStick2620 said:
We assume that because that’s what he’s shown us thus far going back to Oregon and Herbert. I’m willing to give him the chance to fix it though, no matter how unlikely.
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Yeah, I think worst case scenario is we have a talented roster with a poor gameday coach and we repeatedly churn out 8-4 to 10-2 seasons, losing inexplicable games at least once or twice a year.

Hopefully this is his Rocky moment with the whole country looking at Miami like they’ll never be back. I’ll be rooting for him, because what fan are you if you’re already turning.
 
I don't believe that this is a culture problem. Cultures don't take 3 generations to install. There's normally evidence immediately and there has been evidence of change. This is an offensive coaching failure. Even with a shortage of wr's we should be able to scheme past a less talented defense. We haven't outschemed anyone. Rhett Lashlee was good at what he did. Gattis...not so good.
 
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Angry Ibis said:
Mario is a more experienced coach than Manny…. He gets zero pass.

He burned all good will at record pace with that fail and the weak approach to A&M only trying to compete
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Huh? So you ready to fire Mario in year 1.

It's just funny that CoachHayesFootball on YouTube said this would happen several months ago.

The fanbase would turn on Mario and not give him time.

Y'all want water turned to wine and you want it yesterday.

Unrealistic fanbase. Mario can coach at Oregon, but not here. We have the best coaches as many fans rejoiced. Now they are trash.

What we have are deep rooted football cultural issues. I thought we had mostly moves past them, but it's rooted. It's going to take time and fans should give Mario the time he needs to change the culture and improve the roster.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
Huh? So you ready to fire Mario in year 1.

It's just funny that CoachHayesFootball on YouTube said this would happen several months ago.

The fanbase would turn on Mario and not give him time.

Y'all want water turned to wine and you want it yesterday.

Unrealistic fanbase. Mario can coach at Oregon, but not here. We have the best coaches as many fans rejoiced. Now they are trash.

What we have are deep rooted football cultural issues. I thought we had mostly moves past them, but it's rooted. It's going to take time and fans should give Mario the time he needs to change the culture and improve the roster.
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I didn’t say I want him fired. I want him to not be the hard headed meatball many feared he would be re: offense and in game corching.

He didn’t have the team ready for So Miss or MTSU.

That is weak sauce for which he gets no pass.

He has also made his bed with TVD and divided the locker room blaming the WRs.
 
AlexCane said:
Don’t overthink it. This isn’t a culture problem. Culture doesn’t explain losing to MTSU at home. This was bad, bad coaching.
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This goes beyond MTSU. And yes, the coaching was bad yesterday, but you’re going to give the players a pass as well? No accountability from their end? This is part of the problem I’m talking about.
 
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