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In all honesty, we should not want him to be their coach because he is a very good recruiter. We should root for whoever the worst recruiter is to go there since that is most important for us.
That's how I feel about it. It's easy to goof on him, but the truth is, if he is hungry and is willing to do what is necessary, he could make them dangerous again. We need to stay in charge, so I do think it will be interesting if he gets it.
 
3 reasons:

- his tenure at ATM ended in a costly train wreck and despite all the money in the world, he was basically an 8-4 guy.

- his tenure at fsu ended in a train wreck

- he’s been out of coaching for 3-4 years
He might not be an elite hire. But don't fool yourself. He would get FSU playing big boy football again. He is an elite recruiter
 
That's how I feel about it. It's easy to goof on him, but the truth is, if he is hungry and is willing to do what is necessary, he could make them dangerous again. We need to stay in charge, so I do think it will be interesting if he gets it.
He is an elite recruiter like I said above. The thing is though, Mario has such a head start in recruiting the state of Florida that it will be extremely hard to beat Miami for elite Florida talent. He would probably have to find his 5 stars in the south and the DMV area, which he used to do successfully.

We basically have rebuilt the state of Miami. Anyone elite in state goes to Miami. Unless your particularly zesty and big.
 
3 reasons:

- his tenure at ATM ended in a costly train wreck and despite all the money in the world, he was basically an 8-4 guy.

- his tenure at fsu ended in a train wreck

- he’s been out of coaching for 3-4 years
I mean, you didn't make those things up, so they're the facts in the case. However, he did take over an FSU program that had fallen on hard times and made them one of the best in the country for a few years - he didn't walk into a situation like Lanning did following Mario.

I just think if he does get it, we shouldn't assume we'll roll him easily every year. I think he'll have to prove to the Boyars of the Nole money people that he's learned from his mistakes, he's hungry and he won't be stubborn and assume that he's always right. As with all things, we'll see...
 
I'm not looking for a sound CIS beating, I'm genuinely asking a question - why is Jimbo a terrible hire for FSU? If he has worked out his issues (big IF but still...what if he has....?) he did a win a natty not that long ago for them. I mean look, I bleed orange and green, so I want to beat the nolies every single year, but I don't know... If Jimbo is reinventing himself, he could become a problem, assuming he understands what to fix and what not to do this time around - especially on the personal issues part.

Alright, commence with my beating, but I would like some actual answers and not just ad hominem attacks.

He had every chance to do that, with all the resources in the world at Texas 8&4, so tell me, what’s different this time? The toxic atmosphere at FSU, the lack of funds, the broken urinals, and how about throwing some unrealistic expectations on top of that.

He’s washed. I’m perfectly fine with them hiring that cuck.
 
He is an elite recruiter like I said above. The thing is though, Mario has such a head start in recruiting the state of Florida that it will be extremely hard to beat Miami for elite Florida talent. He would probably have to find his 5 stars in the south and the DMV area, which he used to do successfully.

We basically have rebuilt the state of Miami. Anyone elite in state goes to Miami. Unless your particularly zesty and big.
Elite recruiters aren't enough anymore. You need the big money now to be an elite recruiter and they didn't have enough money when Jimbo was there the first time (That is why he left). He also burned alot of bridges with their boosters. Now, with a ton less resources than what he had at College Station he is going to do better than 8-4 every year? Fools errand hiring that guy back:
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He’s an elite recruiter now?

Recruiting for a broke *** school, sure he’ll get some booster infusion initially, but not enough to keep up with the big boys.

Yes, he used to be a very good recruiter, but that’s also when he had a good reputation. He **** the bed at Texas A&M and that’s what people remember today, he’s a guy when given unlimited resources, could not make it work. He’s not going to be elite.
 
I mean, you didn't make those things up, so they're the facts in the case. However, he did take over an FSU program that had fallen on hard times and made them one of the best in the country for a few years - he didn't walk into a situation like Lanning did following Mario.

I just think if he does get it, we shouldn't assume we'll roll him easily every year. I think he'll have to prove to the Boyars of the Nole money people that he's learned from his mistakes, he's hungry and he won't be stubborn and assume that he's always right. As with all things, we'll see...

Sure he did and that was almost 15 years ago. This is a different time and you can no longer just bag players up. Why didn’t what he did at fsu translate to a&m?

I have no doubt he’ll stockpile some talent but In this NIL game, fsu is not going to automatically turn on the $40-50m NIL spigot for him.
 
I think he would be a very good hire if he is promised real financial resources for his staff and NIL.

In all honesty, we should not want him to be their coach because he is a very good recruiter. We should root for whoever the worst recruiter is to go there since that is most important for us.

BUT, selfishly I still hate that Jimbo never played against an elite Miami team, and I want revenge.
He had way more resources at Texas A&M yeah he’s a good at recruiting skill players that’s it . His lack of recruiting ol got tagger an unfair chance. Wasn’t portal back j than he was stuck with jimbos ol . So with less $ and Miami not facing sanctions you believes he going to out Recuit Mario?
 
Jimbo basically left a steaming **** at the 50 yard line of Doak when he left. He mailed in his last 3 months on the job and left a gigantic mess for the next guy. FSU fans were cursing him and saying good riddance after he left.

He went to aTm and had unlimited $ and bought the greatest recruiting class of all time to campus.

He refuses to give up play calling and runs an antiquated version of the pro style offense.

He ended up with the same record as Kevin Sumlin at aTm.

I’d be very happy if fsu hired him.
 
Jimbo basically left a steaming **** at the 50 yard line of Doak when he left. He mailed in his last 3 months on the job and left a gigantic mess for the next guy. FSU fans were cursing him and saying good riddance after he left.

He went to aTm and had unlimited $ and bought the greatest recruiting class of all time to campus.

He refuses to give up play calling and runs an antiquated version of the pro style offense.

He ended up with the same record as Kevin Sumlin at aTm.

I’d be very happy if fsu hired him.
With a lot less money and Miami facing sanctions . They’ll call for him to be fired by year 1
 
Elite recruiters aren't enough anymore. You need the big money now to be an elite recruiter and they didn't have enough money when Jimbo was there the first time (That is why he left). He also burned alot of bridges with their boosters. Now, with a ton less resources than what he had at College Station he is going to do better than 8-4 every year? Fools errand hiring that guy back:
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FSU being dead broke is a myth.

If they land the right guy, and he sways their boosters, money will be found. Bridges can be rebuilt.
 
He is an elite recruiter like I said above. The thing is though, Mario has such a head start in recruiting the state of Florida that it will be extremely hard to beat Miami for elite Florida talent. He would probably have to find his 5 stars in the south and the DMV area, which he used to do successfully.

We basically have rebuilt the state of Miami. Anyone elite in state goes to Miami. Unless your particularly zesty and big.
Elite recruiters aren't enough anymore. You need the big money now to be an elite recruiter and they didn't have enough money when Jimbo was there the first time (That is why he left). He also burned alot of bridges with their boosters. Now, with a ton less resources than what he had at College Station he is going to do better than 8-4 every year? Fools errand hiring that guy back:
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Don’t get it twisted they will have the money and he has a good personality as seen on tv. That is why he got guys and that is why he will always get players. Let’s call it what it is. It’s not only money, they say it’s only money to discredit Mario. It’s relationships/money as it has always been before NIL. It hasn’t changed
 
I'm not looking for a sound CIS beating, I'm genuinely asking a question - why is Jimbo a terrible hire for FSU? If he has worked out his issues (big IF but still...what if he has....?) he did a win a natty not that long ago for them. I mean look, I bleed orange and green, so I want to beat the nolies every single year, but I don't know... If Jimbo is reinventing himself, he could become a problem, assuming he understands what to fix and what not to do this time around - especially on the personal issues part.

Alright, commence with my beating, but I would like some actual answers and not just ad hominem attacks.


The top 5 key points from the article detailing the unraveling of Florida State football are:
  • Leadership Power Struggles: Head coach Jimbo Fisher frequently clashed with athletic director Stan Wilcox and Seminole Boosters president Andy Miller over facility upgrades, staff salaries, and program vision. Tensions escalated after the 2016 death of associate AD Monk Bonasorte, who had acted as a peacekeeper, ultimately leading Fisher to leave for Texas A&M in late 2017. [1]
  • Locker Room and Cultural Decline: Following the 2013 national title, an attitude of entitlement replaced accountability on the team. Off-field trouble mounted, academic progress rates fell to the worst in the Power 5, and high-profile recruits—particularly at quarterback and offensive line—failed to develop or left the program early.
  • The Rushed Willie Taggart Hire: Searching for an enthusiastic replacement after Fisher's exit, FSU quickly hired Willie Taggart without thorough due diligence. His relaxed coaching style clashed with Fisher's former players, and his offensive scheme failed to fit the existing roster, ending FSU's 36-year bowl streak in 2018.
  • Severe Financial Fallout: Hiring and firing Taggart after just 21 games cost Florida State $22.5 million in combined buyouts. Coupled with plummeting ticket sales and pandemic-related revenue losses, the athletic department had to enact a 20% budget cut and lay off employees. [1, 2]
  • Structural Overhaul and Rebuild: To fix its internal divisions, FSU merged its athletic department and booster organization under a single umbrella and hired new leadership, including head coach Mike Norvell. However, Norvell inherited a fragile roster and faced a multi-year rebuild while rivals Clemson, Florida, and Miami pulled ahead. [1, 2]
 
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I think he would be a very good hire if he is promised real financial resources for his staff and NIL.

In all honesty, we should not want him to be their coach because he is a very good recruiter. We should root for whoever the worst recruiter is to go there since that is most important for us.

BUT, selfishly I still hate that Jimbo never played against an elite Miami team, and I want revenge.

Referencing your very first sentence....................what exactly do you think he had at Texas 8&4?!?!?!?!
 
He might not be an elite hire. But don't fool yourself. He would get FSU playing big boy football again. He is an elite recruiter
I seriously doubt Jimbo’s an elite recruiter, but we will find out if he gets the FSU job. Jimbo is a vintage SEC “Bagman” specialist, he learned this trade while working as the OC/QB coach for none other than Nick Saban at LSU. Jimbo was part of Nick Saban’s staff for 7 years including their 2003 National Championship year.

Jimbo had lots of success before NIL because of this.

Signed,

Peruche
 
I think the Jimbo talk is like the "Bring back Butch" stuff from our program back in the day. False hope and will fall flat and he will never forgive them and feel like they played him. Butch still hasnt forgiven UM for that.

I think FSU will let him know he is their Plan C option and he will be okay with that. You swing for the fences especially when you know you have Jimbo to fall back on.

But is FSU willing to give Manny Diaz an 80M contract is the question.
 
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