No more 3-4

[58straight]

I guess you people haven't watched the Denver Broncos lately.

Like the same morons who think "the spread" is an offense.

I prefer a 4-3, but there is nothing inherently wrong with running a 3-4, as long as it's of the single-gap variety.

they're a pro team, you can just pick up guys off the waiver wire, for whatever body type you need at a particular position, plus they have two of the best pass rushers in the league who can work in any defense. I'm a bears fan and they switched to a 3-4 and it has not been pretty at many times alot of the guys dont fit the system and it will probably take a few drafts before they get all the pieces they need, if a pro team has this type of challenge you can understand why a college team wouldnt find it beneficial especially when the body types needed for that system are not plentiful in the recruiting area.

 

[DuffleBagYoda]

4-3 Over and only the 4-3 Over.

This isn't negotiable.

If a candidate isn't willing to run it, that's a rebuttable presumption of homosex. I don't want to hear it.

There are enough variations in the front to handle anything. You can move the 1 tech to 2 if weak ISO is a problem, or justhave Will take C and DE take B instead. Same thing on stronside, if strong uso is a problem, have 9 and Sam exchange gaps. The front can handle everything. Just get upfield, recruit fast ends, no more than 245 at the 5 and 260 at the 9. Only true LB is the Mike who has to bang around with the FB in the strong A and weak B gaps. OLBs are speed demons and converted HS safeties. 215 pound will, 225-230 Sam. Put Norton at 3 as he is the disruptor and Jenkins the 1.

Fill N Spill and chase it down. I don't want to hear about anything else. The defense worked for 25 ****ing years, it wasn't the problem. It was that Randy got lazy in recruiting.

What happened the last 5 years to the defense was a disaster of biblical proportions. I don't want new ideas or any of that bull****. That's what we were sold on and we had grown men playing pattycake like ******s. Read what? Get the **** upfield in your gap. If they block down, you step down, that's it.

I don't want to hear about 3-3-5 or "attacking" 3-4 or any of that garbage.

No need for a 425 when your backers can fly...

Like the old Miami D

All we gotta Do is stock to the script... The JJ way

You're if your base 4-3 you're running 4-2-5 against the spread. You still can keep 6 in the umbrella and run quarters, halves, under and combos.

Not if you have linebackers who can run and cover.

I think it comes down to what your players can do.

A 215 safety who isnt good in coverage vs a 235 LB who is a blanket... Do you keep a DB who can't cover in just to honor the 425 by name? Or do you play your best player for the job?

My 34 statement was really based on recruiting after the last syaff TRIED to be "MULTIPLE" and used a 34

And my point is proved by goldens failure at being "MULTIPLE" the 34 requires specialized roles to be filled by players that are almost opposite than the 43 by design

OLBs in 34 (even 1 gap) still primarily deal with OL, so finding one who is big/strong enough AND good/fast enough in coverage is RARE. (Which requires a lot of subbing and packages which makes things complicated at times)

As opposed to the 43 where you rectify guys with speed to play in space... Which in this version of football is better and can cutdown on confusion and subs etc...

 

[DuffleBagYoda]

I guess you people haven't watched the Denver Broncos lately.

Like the same morons who think "the spread" is an offense.

I prefer a 4-3, but there is nothing inherently wrong with running a 3-4, as long as it's of the single-gap variety.

they're a pro team, you can just pick up guys off the waiver wire, for whatever body type you need at a particular position, plus they have two of the best pass rushers in the league who can work in any defense. I'm a bears fan and they switched to a 3-4 and it has not been pretty at many times alot of the guys dont fit the system and it will probably take a few drafts before they get all the pieces they need, if a pro team has this type of challenge you can understand why a college team wouldnt find it beneficial especially when the body types needed for that system are not plentiful in the recruiting area.

BoooooooooM

 

[Pentagon Cane]

No need for a 425 when your backers can fly...

Like the old Miami D

All we gotta Do is stock to the script... The JJ way

You're if your base 4-3 you're running 4-2-5 against the spread. You still can keep 6 in the umbrella and run quarters, halves, under and combos.

Yes, the whip linebacker(jermain grace) ends up becoming your fifth Db..

Thats what makes that defense so great at miami... Because you can get those hybrid fast/physical backers like grace, in florida.

Dantonio had the defense down packed with

Denicos allen:whip... Darquez dennard: corner... trae waynes: corner Kurtis Drummond( Safety


grace: whip.... Corn El: corner... Artie: corner... Deon Bush: safety..


Could you imagine what dantonio or Foster could do with that alone?

I thought **** Bumpas ran it to perfection. The 4-2-5 would work well at Miami for the very reasons you stated above. It demands a lot out of your two force guys but there's enough talent in South Florida to find them. It is a defense that suits a kid like Grace extremely well.

 

[Canezum5]

I guess you people haven't watched the Denver Broncos lately.

Like the same morons who think "the spread" is an offense.

I prefer a 4-3, but there is nothing inherently wrong with running a 3-4, as long as it's of the single-gap variety.

they're a pro team, you can just pick up guys off the waiver wire, for whatever body type you need at a particular position, plus they have two of the best pass rushers in the league who can work in any defense. I'm a bears fan and they switched to a 3-4 and it has not been pretty at many times alot of the guys dont fit the system and it will probably take a few drafts before they get all the pieces they need, if a pro team has this type of challenge you can understand why a college team wouldnt find it beneficial especially when the body types needed for that system are not plentiful in the recruiting area.

i dont understand what guys dont get about this.

Its just not going to bring a dominant defense at Miami. Its the epitome of counter productive. Its annoying.

 

[FullyERicht]

I guess you people haven't watched the Denver Broncos lately.

Like the same morons who think "the spread" is an offense.

I prefer a 4-3, but there is nothing inherently wrong with running a 3-4, as long as it's of the single-gap variety.

they're a pro team, you can just pick up guys off the waiver wire, for whatever body type you need at a particular position, plus they have two of the best pass rushers in the league who can work in any defense. I'm a bears fan and they switched to a 3-4 and it has not been pretty at many times alot of the guys dont fit the system and it will probably take a few drafts before they get all the pieces they need, if a pro team has this type of challenge you can understand why a college team wouldnt find it beneficial especially when the body types needed for that system are not plentiful in the recruiting area.

i dont understand what guys dont get about this.

Its just not going to bring a dominant defense at Miami. Its the epitome of counter productive. Its annoying.

Everywhere Wade Phillips has run his 3-4 they have been dominant. Again, if you think there is something inherently flawed with the 3-4 as a defense, you are a mouthbreather who shouldn't be talking about Xs and Os.

 

[Dirty Sprite]

**** any version of a 3-4...... should automatically disqualify any coach that's going to bring that bs to Miami again.

 

[FullyERicht]

Even a one gap 3 4 requires bigger lineman

And requires MORE players with SPECIFIC skillets

Wrong. Your 3 interior dudes in a single gap 3-4 can all be under 300 LBs. Your OLBs can be in the 240s. Your ILBs can be in the 230s.

I would kill to run what MSU runs, b/c it was completely ripped off from the early 90s Lubick/Tuberville Canes defense. But I also am not going to deny getting Chip Kelly bc he runs a 3-4 which as a system can be equally as dominant.

Frankly a 3-4 with 4-3 players would be devastating in Miami. If you mirror the front it could be just as simple too.

At the end of the day I want our next coach to recruit the very best athletes, and tell them what their position is later. That's what JJ did. That's what Patterson does. That's what Briles and Dantonio do. It's the blueprint to win at Miami. It's not the scheme, it's the philosophy of how a defense should be built.

 

[Canezum5]

I guess you people haven't watched the Denver Broncos lately.

Like the same morons who think "the spread" is an offense.

I prefer a 4-3, but there is nothing inherently wrong with running a 3-4, as long as it's of the single-gap variety.

they're a pro team, you can just pick up guys off the waiver wire, for whatever body type you need at a particular position, plus they have two of the best pass rushers in the league who can work in any defense. I'm a bears fan and they switched to a 3-4 and it has not been pretty at many times alot of the guys dont fit the system and it will probably take a few drafts before they get all the pieces they need, if a pro team has this type of challenge you can understand why a college team wouldnt find it beneficial especially when the body types needed for that system are not plentiful in the recruiting area.

i dont understand what guys dont get about this.

Its just not going to bring a dominant defense at Miami. Its the epitome of counter productive. Its annoying.

Everywhere Wade Phillips has run his 3-4 they have been dominant. Again, if you think there is something inherently flawed with the 3-4 as a defense, you are a mouthbreather who shouldn't be talking about Xs and Os.

Mouthbreather??? Says the guy who references NFL coaches with a team full of monsters when discussing how a 3-4 would work at Miami whose recruiting base doesn't garner the talent for a regularly successful 3-4.... 1 gap or not.

we will never stop anyones run game with a 3-4 at miami.. whether its 1 gap or two.

 

[DuffleBagYoda]

Ever wonder how golden parlayed one good year at DC into 2 head coaching gigs? Or why we had a *Top15 defense ONCE in 5 seasons?

Ding, ding... The players matured physically had a HUGE part.

A 34 is better other places NOT HERE. Miami defense was not dominant UNTIL Jimmy came with the Over front. Howard ran a 52 defense... Wasn't dominant it was serviceable.

Nobody touted that defensive speed under that 52 front Howard ran... But that MIAMI 4-3 IS A SON***** when u see it in person

All of these defensive legends in the Miami front Sevens thrived in what Defense?

The state of Florida produces players that are easier to use in what Defense?

Nick saban gets shafted against pass happy teams because of that odd front. Not to mention ever since the uptempo pass happy OFINALLY hit the SEC sabans D has looked raggedy at times.




U put a OLB who is light in the *** to contain runs against 300LB tackles all game from a 2 point stance WITH ONLY 2 LBs (instead of a Down DE with 3 LBs)to fill and spill sideline 2 sideline... AND COVER in the pass game?

U R nuts

 

[FullyERicht]

Ever wonder how golden parlayed one good year at DC into 2 head coaching gigs? Or why we had a *Top15 defense ONCE in 5 seasons?

Ding, ding... The players matured physically had a HUGE part.

A 34 is better other places NOT HERE. Miami defense was not dominant UNTIL Jimmy came with the Over front. Howard ran a 52 defense... Wasn't dominant it was serviceable.

Nobody touted that defensive speed under that 52 front Howard ran... But that MIAMI 4-3 IS A SON***** when u see it in person

All of these defensive legends in the Miami front Sevens thrived in what Defense?

The state of Florida produces players that are easier to use in what Defense?

Nick saban gets shafted against pass happy teams because of that odd front. Not to mention ever since the uptempo pass happy OFINALLY hit the SEC sabans D has looked raggedy at times.




U put a OLB who is light in the *** to contain runs against 300LB tackles all game from a 2 point stance WITH ONLY 2 LBs (instead of a Down DE with 3 LBs)to fill and spill sideline 2 sideline... AND COVER in the pass game?

U R nuts

Nick Saban's 3-4 is a descendent of the Parcell's/Groh/Belichick 3-4.

A 3-4 under front defense can be filled with small fast players creating havoc. If you run cover 4 or cover 2 out of it then you don't need to contain the runs with your OLBs. The reason Miami's 4-3 was successful despite being small was bc they didn't ask anyone in the front 7 to contain against OL. They spilled that ish.

You can play ANY DEFENSE with small fast players. You just need to spill and play some brand of 2 deep with it, which is actually what made Miami into Miami. Spilling was a radical concept.

 

[DuffleBagYoda]

NVM.
Agree to disagree

 

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[gfer1988]

Chip,Chuck,Chud,RichRod...
All have had teams fond of this base scheme....

Rich Rod is slightly modified to a 335...

My ONLY objection to a 3 man front in college is that it is hard to find dominant DL let alone between 18 and 22

and depending what U ask them to do it could make the elite guys pass on us

does chip run a 3-4 right now for the Eagles. I didn't think so. he's an offensive guy. idk if he would object to running a 4-3 if hired.