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What bout da posters who say Miami has the talent to win the ACC?
edit: poster above me corrects me.
Bush is the only one who deserves it, and he can't stay healthy.
Here's the full list:
ffense
WR – Tyler Boyd, Jr., Pitt
WR – Mike Williams, Jr., Clemson
WR – Artavis Scott, So. Clemson
TE – Bucky Hodges, r-So., Virginia Tech
OT – Roderick Johnson, So., Florida State
OT – Adam Bisnowaty, r-Jr., Pitt
OG – Landon Turner, r-Sr., North Carolina
OG – Eric Mac Lain, Gr., Clemson
C – Matt Skura, r-Sr., Duke
QB – Deshaun Watson, So., Clemson
RB – James Conner, Jr., Pitt
RB – Shadrach Thornton, Sr., NC State
Defense
DE – Dadi Lhomme Nicolas. r-Sr., Virginia Tech
DE – Shaq Lawson, Jr., Clemson
DE – Sheldon Rankins, Sr., Louisville
DT – Adam Gotsis, Sr., Georgia Tech
DT – Luther Maddy, r-Sr., Virginia Tech
LB – Terrance Smith, r-Sr., Florida State
LB – Brandon Chubb, r-Sr., Wake Forest
LB – James Burgess, Sr., Louisville
CB – Jalen Ramsey, Jr., Florida State
CB – Kendall Fuller, Jr., Virginia Tech
S – Jeremy Cash, r-Sr., Duke
S – Quin Blanding, So., Virginia
Special Teams
PK – Roberto Aguayo, r-Jr., Florida State
P – Alex Kinal, r-Sr., Wake Forest
KR – Ryan Switzer, So., North Carolina
Its sad when you see teams like Duke and Wake have multiple players on this list but UM can't even get one
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What bout da posters who say Miami has the talent to win the ACC?
Because we do
Exactly. The coaches aren't utilizing the talent they have or developing guys enough. So, underdeveloped talent + lousy corches= 4-8.
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What bout da posters who say Miami has the talent to win the ACC?
Because we do
Exactly. The coaches aren't utilizing the talent they have or developing guys enough. So, underdeveloped talent + lousy corches= 4-8.
Agree except for the developement and record part
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Anyone surprised?
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Surprised at what? Those list don't mean sh*t ... Before the season we heard Miami didn't have that much talent but the draft indicated otherwise in fact we had a top 15 roster in terms of talent. Guess what? Out of all of our draft picks including our 1st rounders only 2(Duke Johnson, perryman) were on the list last year.... Dorset, flowers, Waldorf? Nope.... Miami has a lot of talented guys that people are sleeping on period....
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Anyone surprised?
Surprised at what? Those list don't mean sh*t ... Before the season we heard Miami didn't have that much talent but the draft indicated otherwise in fact we had a top 15 roster in terms of talent. Guess what? Out of all of our draft picks including our 1st rounders only 2(Duke Johnson, perryman) were on the list last year.... Dorset, flowers, Waldorf? Nope.... Miami has a lot of talented guys that people are sleeping on period....
Very defensive for someone who thinks the list doesn't mean anything.
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espn thinks we will have a great turnaround this year, canesinsight say otherwise lol. Seriously Miami has the talent to win big but only if golden gets his head out of his A55 and stops being stubborn...
Truth regardless of my dislike for Al as a decision maker
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espn thinks we will have a great turnaround this year, canesinsight say otherwise lol. Seriously Miami has the talent to win big but only if golden gets his head out of his A55 and stops being stubborn...
Read: we have little to no chance of being any good.
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Golden doesn't mind this because it's not about individual recognition, it's about the #tea ...
Can't even finish typing that sarcastically without wanting to slam my head against the desk.
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2015 All-ACC Preseason Team Voting
Quarterback
Deshaun Watson, Clemson 100; Justin Thomas, Georgia Tech 33; Marquise Williams, North Carolina 13; Brad Kaaya, Miami 10 (4th);Jacoby Brissett, NC State 6; Michael Brewer, Virginia Tech 1.
Running Back
James Conner, Pitt 148; Shadrach Thornton, NC State 37; Dalvin Cook, Florida State 36; Jon Hilliman, Boston College 33; Wayne Gallman, Clemson 19; Brandon Radcliff, Louisville 15; Shaquille Powell, Duke 12; T.J. Logan, North Carolina 9; Matt Dayes, NC State 6, J.C. Coleman, Virginia Tech 5; Joe Yearby, Miami 4 (11th); Gus Edwards, Miami 2 (12th).
Wide Receiver
Tyler Boyd, Pitt 137; Mike Williams, Clemson 98; Artavis Scott, Clemson 86; Ryan Switzer, North Carolina 32; Travis Randolph, Florida State 23; James Quick, Louisville 23; Quinshad Davis, North Carolina 23; Stacy Coley, Miami 21 (8th);Isaiah Ford, Virginia Tech 16; Max McCaffrey, Duke 8; Jesus Wilson, Florida State 8; Steve Ishmael, Syracuse 5; Canaan Severin, Virginia 4; Ja’Quay Savage, Louisville 3; Mack Hollins, North Carolina 3.
Tight End
Bucky Hodges, Virginia Tech 75; Braxton Deaver, Duke 28; Cam Serigne, Wake Forest 21; David Grinnage, NC State 13; Jordan Leggett, Clemson 12; Ryan Malleck, Virginia Tech 6; J.P. Holtz, Pitt 5; Chris Herndon, Miami 3. (8th. No Standish.)
Offensive Tackle
Roderick Johnson, Florida State 104; Adam Bisnowaty, Pitt 70; Bryan Chamberlain, Georgia Tech 63; Jon Heck, North Carolina 22; Eric Smith, Virginia 17; Errin Joe, Georgia Tech 16; KC McDermott, Miami 12; Casey Blaser, Duke 12; Trevor Darling, Miami 7; Ivan Foy, Syracuse 3.
Offensive Guard
Landon Turner, North Carolina 108; Eric Mac Lain, Clemson 36; Wyatt Teller, Virginia Tech 33; Joe Thuney, NC State 31; Trey Braun, Georgia Tech 30; Dorian Johnson, Pitt 29; Lucas Patrick, Duke 20; Caleb Peterson, North Carolina 18; Danny Isidora, Miami 18; Tony Adams, NC State 3.
Center
Matt Skura, Duke 111; Ryan Norton, Clemson 18, Freddie Burden, Georgia Tech 11; Rob Trudo, Syracuse 7; Lucas Crowley, North Carolina 5; Nick Linder, Miami 5; Ross Burbank, Virginia 4; Quinton Schooley, NC State 2.
Defensive End
Dadi Lhomme Nicolas, Virginia Tech 108; Shaq Lawson, Clemson 56; Sheldon Rankins, Louisville 56; Ken Ekanem, Virginia Tech 50; DeMarcus Walker, Florida State 21; Mike Rose, NC State 9; Mike Moore, Virginia 8; KeShun Freeman, Georgia Tech 6; Dajaun Drennon, North Carolina 3; Ron Thompson, Syracuse 3; Quan Muhammad, Miami 2, Ufomba Kamalu, Miami 2; Kevin Kavalec, Boston College 2.
Defensive Tackle
Adam Gotsis, Georgia Tech 87, Luther Maddy, Virginia Tech 66; Corey Marshall, Virginia Tech 27; Connor Wujciak, Boston College 27; Derrick Mitchell, Florida State 25; Nile Lawrence-Stample, Florida State 22; D.J. Reader, Clemson 19; David Dean, Virginia 11; Nazair Jones, North Carolina 10; B.J. Hill, NC State 9; Jabari Hunt-Days, Georgia Tech 6; Kentavius Street, NC State 5; Calvin Heurtelou, Miami 4; Truman Gutapfel, Boston College 3; Carlos Wray, Duke 3; Khaynin Mosely-Smith, Pitt 2.
Linebacker
Terrance Smith, Florida State 99; Brandon Chubb, Wake Forest 75; James Burgess, Louisville 67; Reggie Northrup, Florida State 58; Keith Kelsey, Louisville 38; Ben Boulware, Clemson 36; P.J. Davis, Georgia Tech 33; Rafael Kirby, Miami 19; Jeff Schoettmer, North Carolina 16; Steve Daniels, Boston College 14; Jermaine Grace, Miami 9; Deon Clarke, Virginia Tech 8; Zaire Franklin, Syracuse 7; Mike Strizak, Boston College 3; Darrion Owens, Miami 2; Jerod Fernandez, NC State 2; Marqez Hodge, Syracuse 2; Demond Smith, Georgia Tech 1.
Cornerback
Jalen Ramsey, Florida State 115; Kendall Fuller, Virginia Tech 112; Mackensie Alexander, Clemson 28; Maurice Canady, Virginia 12; D.J. White, Georgia Tech 10; Breon Borders, Duke 7; Shaq Wiggins, Louisville 7; Jack Tocho, NC State 5; Tracy Howard, Miami 5; Juston Burris, NC State 5; Artie Burns, Miami 4; Justin Simmons, Boston College 3; Bryon Fields, Duke 3; Demetrious Nicholson, Virginia 3; Chris Milton, Georgia Tech 3; Brian Walker, North Carolina 2; Lafayette Pitts, Pitt 1; Des Lawrence, North Carolina 1.
Safety
Jeremy Cash, Duke 116; Quin Blanding, Virginia 92; Jayson Kearse, Clemson 21; Deon Bush, Miami 20 (4th); Josh Harvey-Clemons, Louisville 18; Jamal Golden, Georgia Tech 16; DeVon Edwards, Duke 13; Nate Andrews, Florida State 10; Tyler Hunter, Florida State 8; Hakim Jones, NC State 4; Ryan Janvion, Wake Forest 3; Deondre Singleton, Duke 2; Josh Jones, NC State 2; Dallas Crawford, Miami 1.
Placekicker
Roberto Aguayo, Florida State 141; Ross Martin, Duke 8; John Wallace, Louisville 6; Ian Frye, Virginia 4; Cole Murphy, Syracuse 2; Harrison Butker, Georgia Tech 1; Chris Blewitt, Pitt 1.
Punter
Alex Kinal, Wake Forest 89; Will Monday, Duke 38; Cason Beatty, Florida State 11; Justin Vogel, Miami 9; Riley Dixon, Syracuse 6; Ryan Rodwell, Georgia Tech 3; A.J. Hughes, Virginia Tech 3; Ryan Winslow, Pitt 2; Alex Howell, Boston College 2.
Specialist
Ryan Switzer, North Carolina 62; DeVon Edwards, Duke 42; Tyler Boyd Pitt 32; Stacy Coley, Miami 9; Kermit Whitfield, Florida State 7; Myles Willis, Boston College 6; Jamal Golden, Georgia Tech 4; T.J. Logan, North Carolina 1.
Okay. I'm a loud basher of the state of the program and the coaching staff but these evaluations are ridiculous.
Brad Kaaya is not the fourth best QB in the ACC. He's worlds better than Williams and Thomas combined and I think Watson is better only because he's such a better runner.
Yearby and Edwards at 11th and 12th? Come on. They're both better all the way to just before Hilliman.
Coley at 8 is a lowball too. He sucked last year but he's right on par with Scott.
Lord give me strength for this one. Herndon at 8th doesn't even make sense because he isn't even the starter (or have any major reps in game that I can remember) and not even having Standish on the list is laughable. He's better than all of these jabronis especially Hodges who if you remember in our game this year the announcers were blowing because of what a big, elite athlete he is and low and behold he did nothing in our game (and most of the season) save for one impressive catch.
Deon is better than Cash and Kearse when he's healthy. I'll concede that Blanding is better (and by a stretch) but fourth place is insane.
The other positions are by and large correct. Not enough evidence for the OL to be much higher except Nick Linder and the LB's I guess could be a little higher but that's it. The D-Linemen are about right. But the other positions and how low they are makes me question this list. Brad at 4? No Standish? Come on.
I agree with some of this but it seems like you have some Cane Shades on.
While I think Kaaya is the better QB, Watson is not too far behind.
All of the RB's in front of Yearby and Gus had better stats thus why they are in front of them not because of who you think is better than who. Yearby had 1 TD.
On par with Scott huh?
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Coley hasn't proved much as a receiver otherwise than being fast. Hopefully Beard can clean up his route-running but he's where he should be.
I agree about Herndon but it also shows how irrelevant Dobard is. I must be the only one who doesn't see anything special about him. Dobard had 7 catches, fumbled one of them. Hodges doesn't have a QB yet produced 5x as much as Stan. He had 500+ yards and 7 TD's so I'm not sure where he didn't do anything is coming from. Deaver is getting hype from his 2013 season and Serigne actually did something his freshman year.
Bush is better than Kearse when healthy but Cash is a top safety prospect.
I think Watson is better than Kaaya as a total player. Kaaya is a superior passer but can't run at all.
Dayes, for example, had 64 more yards on 18 more carries and didn't have to play behind Duke. Same comparison goes for Gus. And if the stats argument is the route you're talking about, why is Thomas ahead of Kaaya? 3,198 yards and 26 TD's is a lot more than 1,719 yards and 18 TD's. It can't go both ways.
Coley's freshman year (33 receptions, 591 yards, 7 TD's) compared to Scott's freshman year (76 receptions, 965 yards, 8 TD's) is a fair par comparison seeing as Coley was second banana to Hurns and didn't get major playing time until the 4th game of the season. Scot's fundamentals are much better than Coley's but production is the compared point and it is par.
I'm not saying Dobard is all-World but he's better than Herndon and he should be on the list if not #3 or better. And the big difference is Hodges was the starter while Dobard backed up the best TE in the country. And Rodger's production came from fattening up on William & Mary, Western Michigan, and Duke. And the fact that Dobard backed up Walford can't be overstated.
Cash is outstanding. Deon, when healthy, is better.
lmao since when is 33 rec 591 yards 7 TD's comparable to 76 rec 965 yards 8 td's? and Scott is 2nd fiddle to Mike Williams at Clemson and played half the year with a fresh QB so Scott had a significantly better freshman season than Coley.
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Talent to win the ACC? 
I think we have enough talent to make it to the ACCCG but Clemson/FSU would beat us 9/10. Going to need a top 5 class before winning the ACC imo.
I think we have enough talent to make it to the ACCCG but Clemson/FSU would beat us 9/10. Going to need a top 5 class before winning the ACC imo.
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Talent to win the ACC?
I think we have enough talent to make it to the ACCCG but Clemson/FSU would beat us 9/10. Going to need a top 5 class before winning the ACC imo.
Top 10-20 classes could win acc if they have competent coaches.
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2015 All-ACC Preseason Team Voting
Quarterback
Deshaun Watson, Clemson 100; Justin Thomas, Georgia Tech 33; Marquise Williams, North Carolina 13; Brad Kaaya, Miami 10 (4th);Jacoby Brissett, NC State 6; Michael Brewer, Virginia Tech 1.
Running Back
James Conner, Pitt 148; Shadrach Thornton, NC State 37; Dalvin Cook, Florida State 36; Jon Hilliman, Boston College 33; Wayne Gallman, Clemson 19; Brandon Radcliff, Louisville 15; Shaquille Powell, Duke 12; T.J. Logan, North Carolina 9; Matt Dayes, NC State 6, J.C. Coleman, Virginia Tech 5; Joe Yearby, Miami 4 (11th); Gus Edwards, Miami 2 (12th).
Wide Receiver
Tyler Boyd, Pitt 137; Mike Williams, Clemson 98; Artavis Scott, Clemson 86; Ryan Switzer, North Carolina 32; Travis Randolph, Florida State 23; James Quick, Louisville 23; Quinshad Davis, North Carolina 23; Stacy Coley, Miami 21 (8th);Isaiah Ford, Virginia Tech 16; Max McCaffrey, Duke 8; Jesus Wilson, Florida State 8; Steve Ishmael, Syracuse 5; Canaan Severin, Virginia 4; Ja’Quay Savage, Louisville 3; Mack Hollins, North Carolina 3.
Tight End
Bucky Hodges, Virginia Tech 75; Braxton Deaver, Duke 28; Cam Serigne, Wake Forest 21; David Grinnage, NC State 13; Jordan Leggett, Clemson 12; Ryan Malleck, Virginia Tech 6; J.P. Holtz, Pitt 5; Chris Herndon, Miami 3. (8th. No Standish.)
Offensive Tackle
Roderick Johnson, Florida State 104; Adam Bisnowaty, Pitt 70; Bryan Chamberlain, Georgia Tech 63; Jon Heck, North Carolina 22; Eric Smith, Virginia 17; Errin Joe, Georgia Tech 16; KC McDermott, Miami 12; Casey Blaser, Duke 12; Trevor Darling, Miami 7; Ivan Foy, Syracuse 3.
Offensive Guard
Landon Turner, North Carolina 108; Eric Mac Lain, Clemson 36; Wyatt Teller, Virginia Tech 33; Joe Thuney, NC State 31; Trey Braun, Georgia Tech 30; Dorian Johnson, Pitt 29; Lucas Patrick, Duke 20; Caleb Peterson, North Carolina 18; Danny Isidora, Miami 18; Tony Adams, NC State 3.
Center
Matt Skura, Duke 111; Ryan Norton, Clemson 18, Freddie Burden, Georgia Tech 11; Rob Trudo, Syracuse 7; Lucas Crowley, North Carolina 5; Nick Linder, Miami 5; Ross Burbank, Virginia 4; Quinton Schooley, NC State 2.
Defensive End
Dadi Lhomme Nicolas, Virginia Tech 108; Shaq Lawson, Clemson 56; Sheldon Rankins, Louisville 56; Ken Ekanem, Virginia Tech 50; DeMarcus Walker, Florida State 21; Mike Rose, NC State 9; Mike Moore, Virginia 8; KeShun Freeman, Georgia Tech 6; Dajaun Drennon, North Carolina 3; Ron Thompson, Syracuse 3; Quan Muhammad, Miami 2, Ufomba Kamalu, Miami 2; Kevin Kavalec, Boston College 2.
Defensive Tackle
Adam Gotsis, Georgia Tech 87, Luther Maddy, Virginia Tech 66; Corey Marshall, Virginia Tech 27; Connor Wujciak, Boston College 27; Derrick Mitchell, Florida State 25; Nile Lawrence-Stample, Florida State 22; D.J. Reader, Clemson 19; David Dean, Virginia 11; Nazair Jones, North Carolina 10; B.J. Hill, NC State 9; Jabari Hunt-Days, Georgia Tech 6; Kentavius Street, NC State 5; Calvin Heurtelou, Miami 4; Truman Gutapfel, Boston College 3; Carlos Wray, Duke 3; Khaynin Mosely-Smith, Pitt 2.
Linebacker
Terrance Smith, Florida State 99; Brandon Chubb, Wake Forest 75; James Burgess, Louisville 67; Reggie Northrup, Florida State 58; Keith Kelsey, Louisville 38; Ben Boulware, Clemson 36; P.J. Davis, Georgia Tech 33; Rafael Kirby, Miami 19; Jeff Schoettmer, North Carolina 16; Steve Daniels, Boston College 14; Jermaine Grace, Miami 9; Deon Clarke, Virginia Tech 8; Zaire Franklin, Syracuse 7; Mike Strizak, Boston College 3; Darrion Owens, Miami 2; Jerod Fernandez, NC State 2; Marqez Hodge, Syracuse 2; Demond Smith, Georgia Tech 1.
Cornerback
Jalen Ramsey, Florida State 115; Kendall Fuller, Virginia Tech 112; Mackensie Alexander, Clemson 28; Maurice Canady, Virginia 12; D.J. White, Georgia Tech 10; Breon Borders, Duke 7; Shaq Wiggins, Louisville 7; Jack Tocho, NC State 5; Tracy Howard, Miami 5; Juston Burris, NC State 5; Artie Burns, Miami 4; Justin Simmons, Boston College 3; Bryon Fields, Duke 3; Demetrious Nicholson, Virginia 3; Chris Milton, Georgia Tech 3; Brian Walker, North Carolina 2; Lafayette Pitts, Pitt 1; Des Lawrence, North Carolina 1.
Safety
Jeremy Cash, Duke 116; Quin Blanding, Virginia 92; Jayson Kearse, Clemson 21; Deon Bush, Miami 20 (4th); Josh Harvey-Clemons, Louisville 18; Jamal Golden, Georgia Tech 16; DeVon Edwards, Duke 13; Nate Andrews, Florida State 10; Tyler Hunter, Florida State 8; Hakim Jones, NC State 4; Ryan Janvion, Wake Forest 3; Deondre Singleton, Duke 2; Josh Jones, NC State 2; Dallas Crawford, Miami 1.
Placekicker
Roberto Aguayo, Florida State 141; Ross Martin, Duke 8; John Wallace, Louisville 6; Ian Frye, Virginia 4; Cole Murphy, Syracuse 2; Harrison Butker, Georgia Tech 1; Chris Blewitt, Pitt 1.
Punter
Alex Kinal, Wake Forest 89; Will Monday, Duke 38; Cason Beatty, Florida State 11; Justin Vogel, Miami 9; Riley Dixon, Syracuse 6; Ryan Rodwell, Georgia Tech 3; A.J. Hughes, Virginia Tech 3; Ryan Winslow, Pitt 2; Alex Howell, Boston College 2.
Specialist
Ryan Switzer, North Carolina 62; DeVon Edwards, Duke 42; Tyler Boyd Pitt 32; Stacy Coley, Miami 9; Kermit Whitfield, Florida State 7; Myles Willis, Boston College 6; Jamal Golden, Georgia Tech 4; T.J. Logan, North Carolina 1.
Okay. I'm a loud basher of the state of the program and the coaching staff but these evaluations are ridiculous.
Brad Kaaya is not the fourth best QB in the ACC. He's worlds better than Williams and Thomas combined and I think Watson is better only because he's such a better runner.
Yearby and Edwards at 11th and 12th? Come on. They're both better all the way to just before Hilliman.
Coley at 8 is a lowball too. He sucked last year but he's right on par with Scott.
Lord give me strength for this one. Herndon at 8th doesn't even make sense because he isn't even the starter (or have any major reps in game that I can remember) and not even having Standish on the list is laughable. He's better than all of these jabronis especially Hodges who if you remember in our game this year the announcers were blowing because of what a big, elite athlete he is and low and behold he did nothing in our game (and most of the season) save for one impressive catch.
Deon is better than Cash and Kearse when he's healthy. I'll concede that Blanding is better (and by a stretch) but fourth place is insane.
The other positions are by and large correct. Not enough evidence for the OL to be much higher except Nick Linder and the LB's I guess could be a little higher but that's it. The D-Linemen are about right. But the other positions and how low they are makes me question this list. Brad at 4? No Standish? Come on.
You're sleeping on Justin Thomas. Kaaya is clearly a better thrower. But for what GT asks Thomas to do he does it almost flawlessly. There's a reason they won 11 games last year, and it's because Thomas runs that offense to perfection.
No doubt about that, but does that make Thomas the second best QB in the ACC or just the RB on GT who throws a little bit?
It makes him a great QB for the team he plays for which is all that matters in college.
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2015 All-ACC Preseason Team Voting
Quarterback
Deshaun Watson, Clemson 100; Justin Thomas, Georgia Tech 33; Marquise Williams, North Carolina 13; Brad Kaaya, Miami 10 (4th);Jacoby Brissett, NC State 6; Michael Brewer, Virginia Tech 1.
Running Back
James Conner, Pitt 148; Shadrach Thornton, NC State 37; Dalvin Cook, Florida State 36; Jon Hilliman, Boston College 33; Wayne Gallman, Clemson 19; Brandon Radcliff, Louisville 15; Shaquille Powell, Duke 12; T.J. Logan, North Carolina 9; Matt Dayes, NC State 6, J.C. Coleman, Virginia Tech 5; Joe Yearby, Miami 4 (11th); Gus Edwards, Miami 2 (12th).
Wide Receiver
Tyler Boyd, Pitt 137; Mike Williams, Clemson 98; Artavis Scott, Clemson 86; Ryan Switzer, North Carolina 32; Travis Randolph, Florida State 23; James Quick, Louisville 23; Quinshad Davis, North Carolina 23; Stacy Coley, Miami 21 (8th);Isaiah Ford, Virginia Tech 16; Max McCaffrey, Duke 8; Jesus Wilson, Florida State 8; Steve Ishmael, Syracuse 5; Canaan Severin, Virginia 4; Ja’Quay Savage, Louisville 3; Mack Hollins, North Carolina 3.
Tight End
Bucky Hodges, Virginia Tech 75; Braxton Deaver, Duke 28; Cam Serigne, Wake Forest 21; David Grinnage, NC State 13; Jordan Leggett, Clemson 12; Ryan Malleck, Virginia Tech 6; J.P. Holtz, Pitt 5; Chris Herndon, Miami 3. (8th. No Standish.)
Offensive Tackle
Roderick Johnson, Florida State 104; Adam Bisnowaty, Pitt 70; Bryan Chamberlain, Georgia Tech 63; Jon Heck, North Carolina 22; Eric Smith, Virginia 17; Errin Joe, Georgia Tech 16; KC McDermott, Miami 12; Casey Blaser, Duke 12; Trevor Darling, Miami 7; Ivan Foy, Syracuse 3.
Offensive Guard
Landon Turner, North Carolina 108; Eric Mac Lain, Clemson 36; Wyatt Teller, Virginia Tech 33; Joe Thuney, NC State 31; Trey Braun, Georgia Tech 30; Dorian Johnson, Pitt 29; Lucas Patrick, Duke 20; Caleb Peterson, North Carolina 18; Danny Isidora, Miami 18; Tony Adams, NC State 3.
Center
Matt Skura, Duke 111; Ryan Norton, Clemson 18, Freddie Burden, Georgia Tech 11; Rob Trudo, Syracuse 7; Lucas Crowley, North Carolina 5; Nick Linder, Miami 5; Ross Burbank, Virginia 4; Quinton Schooley, NC State 2.
Defensive End
Dadi Lhomme Nicolas, Virginia Tech 108; Shaq Lawson, Clemson 56; Sheldon Rankins, Louisville 56; Ken Ekanem, Virginia Tech 50; DeMarcus Walker, Florida State 21; Mike Rose, NC State 9; Mike Moore, Virginia 8; KeShun Freeman, Georgia Tech 6; Dajaun Drennon, North Carolina 3; Ron Thompson, Syracuse 3; Quan Muhammad, Miami 2, Ufomba Kamalu, Miami 2; Kevin Kavalec, Boston College 2.
Defensive Tackle
Adam Gotsis, Georgia Tech 87, Luther Maddy, Virginia Tech 66; Corey Marshall, Virginia Tech 27; Connor Wujciak, Boston College 27; Derrick Mitchell, Florida State 25; Nile Lawrence-Stample, Florida State 22; D.J. Reader, Clemson 19; David Dean, Virginia 11; Nazair Jones, North Carolina 10; B.J. Hill, NC State 9; Jabari Hunt-Days, Georgia Tech 6; Kentavius Street, NC State 5; Calvin Heurtelou, Miami 4; Truman Gutapfel, Boston College 3; Carlos Wray, Duke 3; Khaynin Mosely-Smith, Pitt 2.
Linebacker
Terrance Smith, Florida State 99; Brandon Chubb, Wake Forest 75; James Burgess, Louisville 67; Reggie Northrup, Florida State 58; Keith Kelsey, Louisville 38; Ben Boulware, Clemson 36; P.J. Davis, Georgia Tech 33; Rafael Kirby, Miami 19; Jeff Schoettmer, North Carolina 16; Steve Daniels, Boston College 14; Jermaine Grace, Miami 9; Deon Clarke, Virginia Tech 8; Zaire Franklin, Syracuse 7; Mike Strizak, Boston College 3; Darrion Owens, Miami 2; Jerod Fernandez, NC State 2; Marqez Hodge, Syracuse 2; Demond Smith, Georgia Tech 1.
Cornerback
Jalen Ramsey, Florida State 115; Kendall Fuller, Virginia Tech 112; Mackensie Alexander, Clemson 28; Maurice Canady, Virginia 12; D.J. White, Georgia Tech 10; Breon Borders, Duke 7; Shaq Wiggins, Louisville 7; Jack Tocho, NC State 5; Tracy Howard, Miami 5; Juston Burris, NC State 5; Artie Burns, Miami 4; Justin Simmons, Boston College 3; Bryon Fields, Duke 3; Demetrious Nicholson, Virginia 3; Chris Milton, Georgia Tech 3; Brian Walker, North Carolina 2; Lafayette Pitts, Pitt 1; Des Lawrence, North Carolina 1.
Safety
Jeremy Cash, Duke 116; Quin Blanding, Virginia 92; Jayson Kearse, Clemson 21; Deon Bush, Miami 20 (4th); Josh Harvey-Clemons, Louisville 18; Jamal Golden, Georgia Tech 16; DeVon Edwards, Duke 13; Nate Andrews, Florida State 10; Tyler Hunter, Florida State 8; Hakim Jones, NC State 4; Ryan Janvion, Wake Forest 3; Deondre Singleton, Duke 2; Josh Jones, NC State 2; Dallas Crawford, Miami 1.
Placekicker
Roberto Aguayo, Florida State 141; Ross Martin, Duke 8; John Wallace, Louisville 6; Ian Frye, Virginia 4; Cole Murphy, Syracuse 2; Harrison Butker, Georgia Tech 1; Chris Blewitt, Pitt 1.
Punter
Alex Kinal, Wake Forest 89; Will Monday, Duke 38; Cason Beatty, Florida State 11; Justin Vogel, Miami 9; Riley Dixon, Syracuse 6; Ryan Rodwell, Georgia Tech 3; A.J. Hughes, Virginia Tech 3; Ryan Winslow, Pitt 2; Alex Howell, Boston College 2.
Specialist
Ryan Switzer, North Carolina 62; DeVon Edwards, Duke 42; Tyler Boyd Pitt 32; Stacy Coley, Miami 9; Kermit Whitfield, Florida State 7; Myles Willis, Boston College 6; Jamal Golden, Georgia Tech 4; T.J. Logan, North Carolina 1.
Okay. I'm a loud basher of the state of the program and the coaching staff but these evaluations are ridiculous.
Brad Kaaya is not the fourth best QB in the ACC. He's worlds better than Williams and Thomas combined and I think Watson is better only because he's such a better runner.
Yearby and Edwards at 11th and 12th? Come on. They're both better all the way to just before Hilliman.
Coley at 8 is a lowball too. He sucked last year but he's right on par with Scott.
Lord give me strength for this one. Herndon at 8th doesn't even make sense because he isn't even the starter (or have any major reps in game that I can remember) and not even having Standish on the list is laughable. He's better than all of these jabronis especially Hodges who if you remember in our game this year the announcers were blowing because of what a big, elite athlete he is and low and behold he did nothing in our game (and most of the season) save for one impressive catch.
Deon is better than Cash and Kearse when he's healthy. I'll concede that Blanding is better (and by a stretch) but fourth place is insane.
The other positions are by and large correct. Not enough evidence for the OL to be much higher except Nick Linder and the LB's I guess could be a little higher but that's it. The D-Linemen are about right. But the other positions and how low they are makes me question this list. Brad at 4? No Standish? Come on.
I agree with some of this but it seems like you have some Cane Shades on.
While I think Kaaya is the better QB, Watson is not too far behind.
All of the RB's in front of Yearby and Gus had better stats thus why they are in front of them not because of who you think is better than who. Yearby had 1 TD.
On par with Scott huh?
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Coley hasn't proved much as a receiver otherwise than being fast. Hopefully Beard can clean up his route-running but he's where he should be.
I agree about Herndon but it also shows how irrelevant Dobard is. I must be the only one who doesn't see anything special about him. Dobard had 7 catches, fumbled one of them. Hodges doesn't have a QB yet produced 5x as much as Stan. He had 500+ yards and 7 TD's so I'm not sure where he didn't do anything is coming from. Deaver is getting hype from his 2013 season and Serigne actually did something his freshman year.
Bush is better than Kearse when healthy but Cash is a top safety prospect.
I think Watson is better than Kaaya as a total player. Kaaya is a superior passer but can't run at all.
Dayes, for example, had 64 more yards on 18 more carries and didn't have to play behind Duke. Same comparison goes for Gus. And if the stats argument is the route you're talking about, why is Thomas ahead of Kaaya? 3,198 yards and 26 TD's is a lot more than 1,719 yards and 18 TD's. It can't go both ways.
Coley's freshman year (33 receptions, 591 yards, 7 TD's) compared to Scott's freshman year (76 receptions, 965 yards, 8 TD's) is a fair par comparison seeing as Coley was second banana to Hurns and didn't get major playing time until the 4th game of the season. Scot's fundamentals are much better than Coley's but production is the compared point and it is par.
I'm not saying Dobard is all-World but he's better than Herndon and he should be on the list if not #3 or better. And the big difference is Hodges was the starter while Dobard backed up the best TE in the country. And Rodger's production came from fattening up on William & Mary, Western Michigan, and Duke. And the fact that Dobard backed up Walford can't be overstated.
Cash is outstanding. Deon, when healthy, is better.
lmao since when is 33 rec 591 yards 7 TD's comparable to 76 rec 965 yards 8 td's? and Scott is 2nd fiddle to Mike Williams at Clemson and played half the year with a fresh QB so Scott had a significantly better freshman season than Coley.
Seeing as Scott had more catches than Williams, I would say he was first fiddle. And if you paid attention to the 2013 season, Coley did not get major playing time until the 4th/5th game of the season while having to play third fiddle to both Hurns and Dorsett. Scott hit the ground running and got major time from the Georgia game onward. And freshman Deshaun Watson and senior Stephen Morris are pretty much a push. There's some dynamics you're ignoring.
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2015 All-ACC Preseason Team Voting
Quarterback
Deshaun Watson, Clemson 100; Justin Thomas, Georgia Tech 33; Marquise Williams, North Carolina 13; Brad Kaaya, Miami 10 (4th);Jacoby Brissett, NC State 6; Michael Brewer, Virginia Tech 1.
Running Back
James Conner, Pitt 148; Shadrach Thornton, NC State 37; Dalvin Cook, Florida State 36; Jon Hilliman, Boston College 33; Wayne Gallman, Clemson 19; Brandon Radcliff, Louisville 15; Shaquille Powell, Duke 12; T.J. Logan, North Carolina 9; Matt Dayes, NC State 6, J.C. Coleman, Virginia Tech 5; Joe Yearby, Miami 4 (11th); Gus Edwards, Miami 2 (12th).
Wide Receiver
Tyler Boyd, Pitt 137; Mike Williams, Clemson 98; Artavis Scott, Clemson 86; Ryan Switzer, North Carolina 32; Travis Randolph, Florida State 23; James Quick, Louisville 23; Quinshad Davis, North Carolina 23; Stacy Coley, Miami 21 (8th);Isaiah Ford, Virginia Tech 16; Max McCaffrey, Duke 8; Jesus Wilson, Florida State 8; Steve Ishmael, Syracuse 5; Canaan Severin, Virginia 4; Ja’Quay Savage, Louisville 3; Mack Hollins, North Carolina 3.
Tight End
Bucky Hodges, Virginia Tech 75; Braxton Deaver, Duke 28; Cam Serigne, Wake Forest 21; David Grinnage, NC State 13; Jordan Leggett, Clemson 12; Ryan Malleck, Virginia Tech 6; J.P. Holtz, Pitt 5; Chris Herndon, Miami 3. (8th. No Standish.)
Offensive Tackle
Roderick Johnson, Florida State 104; Adam Bisnowaty, Pitt 70; Bryan Chamberlain, Georgia Tech 63; Jon Heck, North Carolina 22; Eric Smith, Virginia 17; Errin Joe, Georgia Tech 16; KC McDermott, Miami 12; Casey Blaser, Duke 12; Trevor Darling, Miami 7; Ivan Foy, Syracuse 3.
Offensive Guard
Landon Turner, North Carolina 108; Eric Mac Lain, Clemson 36; Wyatt Teller, Virginia Tech 33; Joe Thuney, NC State 31; Trey Braun, Georgia Tech 30; Dorian Johnson, Pitt 29; Lucas Patrick, Duke 20; Caleb Peterson, North Carolina 18; Danny Isidora, Miami 18; Tony Adams, NC State 3.
Center
Matt Skura, Duke 111; Ryan Norton, Clemson 18, Freddie Burden, Georgia Tech 11; Rob Trudo, Syracuse 7; Lucas Crowley, North Carolina 5; Nick Linder, Miami 5; Ross Burbank, Virginia 4; Quinton Schooley, NC State 2.
Defensive End
Dadi Lhomme Nicolas, Virginia Tech 108; Shaq Lawson, Clemson 56; Sheldon Rankins, Louisville 56; Ken Ekanem, Virginia Tech 50; DeMarcus Walker, Florida State 21; Mike Rose, NC State 9; Mike Moore, Virginia 8; KeShun Freeman, Georgia Tech 6; Dajaun Drennon, North Carolina 3; Ron Thompson, Syracuse 3; Quan Muhammad, Miami 2, Ufomba Kamalu, Miami 2; Kevin Kavalec, Boston College 2.
Defensive Tackle
Adam Gotsis, Georgia Tech 87, Luther Maddy, Virginia Tech 66; Corey Marshall, Virginia Tech 27; Connor Wujciak, Boston College 27; Derrick Mitchell, Florida State 25; Nile Lawrence-Stample, Florida State 22; D.J. Reader, Clemson 19; David Dean, Virginia 11; Nazair Jones, North Carolina 10; B.J. Hill, NC State 9; Jabari Hunt-Days, Georgia Tech 6; Kentavius Street, NC State 5; Calvin Heurtelou, Miami 4; Truman Gutapfel, Boston College 3; Carlos Wray, Duke 3; Khaynin Mosely-Smith, Pitt 2.
Linebacker
Terrance Smith, Florida State 99; Brandon Chubb, Wake Forest 75; James Burgess, Louisville 67; Reggie Northrup, Florida State 58; Keith Kelsey, Louisville 38; Ben Boulware, Clemson 36; P.J. Davis, Georgia Tech 33; Rafael Kirby, Miami 19; Jeff Schoettmer, North Carolina 16; Steve Daniels, Boston College 14; Jermaine Grace, Miami 9; Deon Clarke, Virginia Tech 8; Zaire Franklin, Syracuse 7; Mike Strizak, Boston College 3; Darrion Owens, Miami 2; Jerod Fernandez, NC State 2; Marqez Hodge, Syracuse 2; Demond Smith, Georgia Tech 1.
Cornerback
Jalen Ramsey, Florida State 115; Kendall Fuller, Virginia Tech 112; Mackensie Alexander, Clemson 28; Maurice Canady, Virginia 12; D.J. White, Georgia Tech 10; Breon Borders, Duke 7; Shaq Wiggins, Louisville 7; Jack Tocho, NC State 5; Tracy Howard, Miami 5; Juston Burris, NC State 5; Artie Burns, Miami 4; Justin Simmons, Boston College 3; Bryon Fields, Duke 3; Demetrious Nicholson, Virginia 3; Chris Milton, Georgia Tech 3; Brian Walker, North Carolina 2; Lafayette Pitts, Pitt 1; Des Lawrence, North Carolina 1.
Safety
Jeremy Cash, Duke 116; Quin Blanding, Virginia 92; Jayson Kearse, Clemson 21; Deon Bush, Miami 20 (4th); Josh Harvey-Clemons, Louisville 18; Jamal Golden, Georgia Tech 16; DeVon Edwards, Duke 13; Nate Andrews, Florida State 10; Tyler Hunter, Florida State 8; Hakim Jones, NC State 4; Ryan Janvion, Wake Forest 3; Deondre Singleton, Duke 2; Josh Jones, NC State 2; Dallas Crawford, Miami 1.
Placekicker
Roberto Aguayo, Florida State 141; Ross Martin, Duke 8; John Wallace, Louisville 6; Ian Frye, Virginia 4; Cole Murphy, Syracuse 2; Harrison Butker, Georgia Tech 1; Chris Blewitt, Pitt 1.
Punter
Alex Kinal, Wake Forest 89; Will Monday, Duke 38; Cason Beatty, Florida State 11; Justin Vogel, Miami 9; Riley Dixon, Syracuse 6; Ryan Rodwell, Georgia Tech 3; A.J. Hughes, Virginia Tech 3; Ryan Winslow, Pitt 2; Alex Howell, Boston College 2.
Specialist
Ryan Switzer, North Carolina 62; DeVon Edwards, Duke 42; Tyler Boyd Pitt 32; Stacy Coley, Miami 9; Kermit Whitfield, Florida State 7; Myles Willis, Boston College 6; Jamal Golden, Georgia Tech 4; T.J. Logan, North Carolina 1.
Okay. I'm a loud basher of the state of the program and the coaching staff but these evaluations are ridiculous.
Brad Kaaya is not the fourth best QB in the ACC. He's worlds better than Williams and Thomas combined and I think Watson is better only because he's such a better runner.
Yearby and Edwards at 11th and 12th? Come on. They're both better all the way to just before Hilliman.
Coley at 8 is a lowball too. He sucked last year but he's right on par with Scott.
Lord give me strength for this one. Herndon at 8th doesn't even make sense because he isn't even the starter (or have any major reps in game that I can remember) and not even having Standish on the list is laughable. He's better than all of these jabronis especially Hodges who if you remember in our game this year the announcers were blowing because of what a big, elite athlete he is and low and behold he did nothing in our game (and most of the season) save for one impressive catch.
Deon is better than Cash and Kearse when he's healthy. I'll concede that Blanding is better (and by a stretch) but fourth place is insane.
The other positions are by and large correct. Not enough evidence for the OL to be much higher except Nick Linder and the LB's I guess could be a little higher but that's it. The D-Linemen are about right. But the other positions and how low they are makes me question this list. Brad at 4? No Standish? Come on.
You're sleeping on Justin Thomas. Kaaya is clearly a better thrower. But for what GT asks Thomas to do he does it almost flawlessly. There's a reason they won 11 games last year, and it's because Thomas runs that offense to perfection.
No doubt about that, but does that make Thomas the second best QB in the ACC or just the RB on GT who throws a little bit?
It makes him a great QB for the team he plays for which is all that matters in college.
So basically what Bob Griese was to the Dolphins and what Joe Kapp was to the Vikings. I guy who handed it off or ran and occasionally threw the ball every 3 games?
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