NIL Valuation

[bornagaincane]

Like beauty, NIL valuation is in the eyes of the beholder. NIL value is determined by the peculiar needs and goals of a team, and not by what other teams are doing or not doing. This is not the real estate market or stock market where the combined action of market participants determine value. This is why any attempt by the clearing house to not approve a NIL deal will fail in a court of law.

I’ve said it for a while here that no one except a school can determine the value of a player. Dereek Copper and Texas prove this right. If we have $$ like most say we have including D$, why did Texas come in in the last minute and beat us out? It’s because Cooper is worth more to Texas than we think he is worth. It’s for this same reason that we won out on Jackson Cantwell. The clearing house cannot disapprove Texas without a court battle that the clearing house is most certain to lose.

There is nothing like overpayment in NIL. You pay what the player is worth to you. Simple. We will keep missing out on south Florida’s super elite players like JS, Cooper and the 2028 QB phenom, Lawrence, if we don’t pay. Only the teams that are willing to pay will be the ones winning the most ships.

 

[CANEFAN83]

Like beauty, NIL valuation is in the eyes of the beholder. NIL value is determined by the peculiar needs and goals of a team, and not by what other teams are doing or not doing. This is not the real estate market or stock market where the combined action of market participants determine value. This is why any attempt by the clearing house to not approve a NIL deal will fail in a court of law.

I’ve said it for a while here that no one except a school can determine the value of a player. Dereek Copper and Texas prove this right. If we have $$ like most say we have including D$, why did Texas come in in the last minute and beat us out? It’s because Cooper is worth more to Texas than we think he is worth. It’s for this same reason that we won out on Jackson Cantwell. The clearing house cannot disapprove Texas without a court battle that the clearing house is most certain to lose.

There is nothing like overpayment in NIL. You pay what the player is worth to you. Simple. We will keep missing out on south Florida’s super elite players like JS, Cooper and the 2028 QB phenom, Lawrence, if we don’t pay. Only the teams that are willing to pay will be the ones winning the most ships.

How do we know its a money issue for cooper? Maybe some recruits are playing the wait and see mode with Mario on this season. Maybe it's a combo. Miami may be prioritizing other recruits based on positions of need.

 

[HurricanePhilly]

How do we know its a money issue for cooper? Maybe some recruits are playing the wait and see mode with Mario on this season. Maybe it's a combo. Miami may be prioritizing other recruits based on positions of need.

I think its clearly not an issue. We are willing to spend. But you have to draw a line at some point. Or you risk impacting the current team and your future recruiting. You give a current recruit more than a current player then you risk the off season trying to recruit the upper classman because he found out what the recruit is getting. Then another recruit in the next class comes along with the same agency and he is an even bigger recruit nationally. Being a college coach you are recruiting everyone every year basically. I still truly believe it comes back to earth a bit in the coming years but it will take a few years of rich people not getting any return to start pulling back but then you have other avenues that will be kicking in; and off the books money may come back around full steam.

So many variables that the next few years are going to be pretty wild.

 

[kccanefan]

These rosters are being built like NFL teams right now. What one team values a player and position could be a lot different than what other teams value. Much like the NFL the positions that require the biggest investment are.

QB
WR
OT
DT
Secondary

Aside from Cooper’s location would anyone still be upset that we missed out on him? Taking into account our current room along with how easy it is to fill in that position with backup options.

 

[Ispyin]

Like beauty, NIL valuation is in the eyes of the beholder. NIL value is determined by the peculiar needs and goals of a team, and not by what other teams are doing or not doing. This is not the real estate market or stock market where the combined action of market participants determine value. This is why any attempt by the clearing house to not approve a NIL deal will fail in a court of law.

I’ve said it for a while here that no one except a school can determine the value of a player. Dereek Copper and Texas prove this right. If we have $$ like most say we have including D$, why did Texas come in in the last minute and beat us out? It’s because Cooper is worth more to Texas than we think he is worth. It’s for this same reason that we won out on Jackson Cantwell. The clearing house cannot disapprove Texas without a court battle that the clearing house is most certain to lose.

There is nothing like overpayment in NIL. You pay what the player is worth to you. Simple. We will keep missing out on south Florida’s super elite players like JS, Cooper and the 2028 QB phenom, Lawrence, if we don’t pay. Only the teams that are willing to pay will be the ones winning the most ships.

Wrong. It wasn’t money. Thanks for playing I don’t know ****

 

[Braduhley]

Like beauty, NIL valuation is in the eyes of the beholder. NIL value is determined by the peculiar needs and goals of a team, and not by what other teams are doing or not doing. This is not the real estate market or stock market where the combined action of market participants determine value. This is why any attempt by the clearing house to not approve a NIL deal will fail in a court of law.

I’ve said it for a while here that no one except a school can determine the value of a player. Dereek Copper and Texas prove this right. If we have $$ like most say we have including D$, why did Texas come in in the last minute and beat us out? It’s because Cooper is worth more to Texas than we think he is worth. It’s for this same reason that we won out on Jackson Cantwell. The clearing house cannot disapprove Texas without a court battle that the clearing house is most certain to lose.

There is nothing like overpayment in NIL. You pay what the player is worth to you. Simple. We will keep missing out on south Florida’s super elite players like JS, Cooper and the 2028 QB phenom, Lawrence, if we don’t pay. Only the teams that are willing to pay will be the ones winning the most ships.

Texas didn't come in last minute and beat us out. They came in last minute and beat Georgia out.

 

[cway313]

We discuss NIL like we know the details. We don't and in turn we have little reason to discuss it.

 

[GojiraCane]

These rosters are being built like NFL teams right now. What one team values a player and position could be a lot different than what other teams value. Much like the NFL the positions that require the biggest investment are.

QB
WR
OT
DT
Secondary

Aside from Cooper’s location would anyone still be upset that we missed out on him? Taking into account our current room along with how easy it is to fill in that position with backup options.

This.

First, let's look at an NFL team and how they spend on offense. Here's the Bengals starting offense.

QB - Joe Burrows ($46M)
WR - Tee Higgins ($24M)
WR - Ja'Mar Chase ($23.5M)
WR - Andre Iosivas ($1.1M)

OL - Orlando Brown ($15M)
OL - Dylan Fairchild ($1.1M)
OL - Ted Karras ($6.3M)
OL - Patrick Lucas ($2M)
OL - Amarius Mims ($3M)

TE - Mike Gesicki ($7.7M)

RB - Zack Moss ($3M)


Running back in the NFL is generally not a premium paid position on offense, and it has not been for about a decade now..

Now let's go to Texas. Suppose that what they gave Cooper made him equivalent to or higher paid than everyone on the offense but Arch Manning. If that's the case, it works if UT is running a power run offense or a triple option. But it's a pass oriented attack that needs quality wide receivers.

If Cooper is now the highest paid offensive player at Texas (hypothetical) it means that Georgia and Miami were correct to back off. They could match or exceed, but the results of this move by Texas mean for the Longhorns:

1. Cooper's offer is now the absolute floor for a premium high school running back in 2027. They'll want the same or more.
2. The returning offensive linemen will want a bump, particularly your premium player(s). They'll want to be making more than a running back, because ultimately a top caliber offensive lineman is worth more to a passing offense than a running back. As a result you've substantially increased your spend from 2026 forward on offensive linemen. Cooper's salary + 50% might be the cost, whereas the linemen might be at Cooper's salary less 25% today.
3. Your elite wide receivers - see point 2.

And that's the offense. On defense, going to the Beganls example their top defensive end (Trey Hendrickson) earns even more than Orlando Brown at $18.7M. Why should the top defensive line players for Texas earn less than a running back. Okay, so now Texas has to increase their 2026 spending there. Ditto with linebacker. Ditto with safety.

So I'm not certain if they're thinking of the long term ramifications of this move - if in fact they vastly overspent to get Cooper. But if they did, it could drastically increase their NIL cost in 2026 and beyond just to retain players, and also vastly increase the cost to acquire talent at other positions. If so, Miami and Georgia were wise to back off and let the Longhorns put themselves into an unsustainable position.

 

[Canesq]

I think its clearly not an issue. We are willing to spend. But you have to draw a line at some point. Or you risk impacting the current team and your future recruiting. You give a current recruit more than a current player then you risk the off season trying to recruit the upper classman because he found out what the recruit is getting. Then another recruit in the next class comes along with the same agency and he is an even bigger recruit nationally. Being a college coach you are recruiting everyone every year basically. I still truly believe it comes back to earth a bit in the coming years but it will take a few years of rich people not getting any return to start pulling back.

Agreed especially at running back. The difference between Cooper and a lower four star isn’t dramatic especially when you factor in the difference each would command.

It really hurts because he’s in our backyard.

You have to pay for oline/dline and QB. Any other position you have to have 1st or 2nd round traits and have proven it on a college football field to command that type of money.

Imagine him getting paid more than Lyle?

 

[mj33]

Like beauty, NIL valuation is in the eyes of the beholder. NIL value is determined by the peculiar needs and goals of a team, and not by what other teams are doing or not doing. This is not the real estate market or stock market where the combined action of market participants determine value. This is why any attempt by the clearing house to not approve a NIL deal will fail in a court of law.

I’ve said it for a while here that no one except a school can determine the value of a player. Dereek Copper and Texas prove this right. If we have $$ like most say we have including D$, why did Texas come in in the last minute and beat us out? It’s because Cooper is worth more to Texas than we think he is worth. It’s for this same reason that we won out on Jackson Cantwell. The clearing house cannot disapprove Texas without a court battle that the clearing house is most certain to lose.

There is nothing like overpayment in NIL. You pay what the player is worth to you. Simple. We will keep missing out on south Florida’s super elite players like JS, Cooper and the 2028 QB phenom, Lawrence, if we don’t pay. Only the teams that are willing to pay will be the ones winning the most ships.

I’m confused. You say only the teams willing to pay will win championships, but ur saying value depends on the beholder. Why can’t we win championships by paying for elites in positions other than RB?

 

[TheATLCane]

Did we have a reason not to pay as much?

 

[DC3]

This.

First, let's look at an NFL team and how they spend on offense. Here's the Bengals starting offense.

QB - Joe Burrows ($46M)
WR - Tee Higgins ($24M)
WR - Ja'Mar Chase ($23.5M)
WR - Andre Iosivas ($1.1M)

OL - Orlando Brown ($15M)
OL - Dylan Fairchild ($1.1M)
OL - Ted Karras ($6.3M)
OL - Patrick Lucas ($2M)
OL - Amarius Mims ($3M)

TE - Mike Gesicki ($7.7M)

RB - Zack Moss ($3M)


Running back in the NFL is generally not a premium paid position on offense, and it has not been for about a decade now..

Now let's go to Texas. Suppose that what they gave Cooper made him equivalent to or higher paid than everyone on the offense but Arch Manning. If that's the case, it works if UT is running a power run offense or a triple option. But it's a pass oriented attack that needs quality wide receivers.

If Cooper is now the highest paid offensive player at Texas (hypothetical) it means that Georgia and Miami were correct to back off. They could match or exceed, but the results of this move by Texas mean for the Longhorns:

1. Cooper's offer is now the absolute floor for a premium high school running back in 2027. They'll want the same or more.

So 3 things:

1. Picking the Bengals who haven't made the playoffs since 23 is an interesting choice. If I was going to pick a team that consistantly makes the playoffs like idk the Ravens, those allocation numbers look very different.
2. Your also asumming way to much in thinking that Texas vastly overpaid and made Cooper the 2nd highest paid player on offense. Its okay to say Miami lost this one
3. If i apply that logic that all Texas players will want a major bump because of what you think Cooper makes, why wouldn't Miami players apply that same logic to the bag Cantwell just got?

 

[GojiraCane]

So 3 things:

1. Picking the Bengals who haven't made the playoffs since 23 is an interesting choice. If I was going to pick a team that consistantly makes the playoffs like idk the Ravens, those allocation numbers look very different.
2. Your also asumming way to much in thinking that Texas vastly overpaid and made Cooper the 2nd highest paid player on offense. Its okay to say Miami lost this one
3. If i apply that logic that all Texas players will want a major bump because of what you think Cooper makes, why wouldn't Miami players apply that same logic to the bag Cantwell just got?

It was a random choice. And I'm not saying Texas made him the second highest paid player. It is hypothetical - although it's likely Cooper got a high payment.

If NIL college spending in general is not random but if allocation by schools and collectives is starting to resemble the NFL…it would be logical for a high allocation to go to a Cantwell. By Miami or another school. It’s a premium position. Sure, your starting running back next year might want the same or more than Cantwell, but that’s likely to be well above market value for the position in general in CFB and he'll have a very hard time getting that. The expectation could and probably would be that a top tier Olineman would outearn a HB, just like a top-tier quarterback would outearn a top tier TE or WR.

But let's take Philly.

QB - Hurts ($21.8M)
WR - Brown ($17.5M)
WR - Smith ($7.5M)
OL - Johnson ($18.4M)
TE - Godert ($10.7M)
HB - Barkley ($6.7M)

Philly won the Super Bowl, yet of the stars on offense Saquan earns less than the other top players at each position.

 

[GojiraCane]

Did we have a reason not to pay as much?

Sure. If it was disproportionate, it was to avoid overall roster inflation. Same reason as Georgia.

 

[GojiraCane]

Agreed especially at running back. The difference between Cooper and a lower four star isn’t dramatic especially when you factor in the difference each would command.

It really hurts because he’s in our backyard.

You have to pay for oline/dline and QB. Any other position you have to have 1st or 2nd round traits and have proven it on a college football field to command that type of money.

Imagine him getting paid more than Lyle?

Which would require Lyle getting a lift next year. Or he leaves. Which means that you then have to spend potentially even more to lure a veteran HB in through the portal.

 

[423Hurricane]

Like beauty, NIL valuation is in the eyes of the beholder. NIL value is determined by the peculiar needs and goals of a team, and not by what other teams are doing or not doing. This is not the real estate market or stock market where the combined action of market participants determine value. This is why any attempt by the clearing house to not approve a NIL deal will fail in a court of law.

I’ve said it for a while here that no one except a school can determine the value of a player. Dereek Copper and Texas prove this right. If we have $$ like most say we have including D$, why did Texas come in in the last minute and beat us out? It’s because Cooper is worth more to Texas than we think he is worth. It’s for this same reason that we won out on Jackson Cantwell. The clearing house cannot disapprove Texas without a court battle that the clearing house is most certain to lose.

There is nothing like overpayment in NIL. You pay what the player is worth to you. Simple. We will keep missing out on south Florida’s super elite players like JS, Cooper and the 2028 QB phenom, Lawrence, if we don’t pay. Only the teams that are willing to pay will be the ones winning the most ships.

Although $$$ nowadays is a big factor, it’s not the only factor. Some kids just wanna get away. Some establish better relationships with certain coaches. Just to name a couple of factors.

 

[DC3]

It was a random choice. And I'm not saying Texas made him the second highest paid player. It is hypothetical - although it's likely Cooper got a high payment.

If NIL college spending in general is not random but if allocation by schools and collectives is starting to resemble the NFL…it would be logical for a high allocation to go to a Cantwell. By Miami or another school. It’s a premium position. Sure, your starting running back next year might want the same or more than Cantwell, but that’s likely to be well above market value for the position in general in CFB and he'll have a very hard time getting that. The expectation could and probably would be that a top tier Olineman would outearn a HB, just like a top-tier quarterback would outearn a top tier TE or WR.

But let's take Philly.

QB - Hurts ($21.8M)
WR - Brown ($17.5M)
WR - Smith ($7.5M)
OL - Johnson ($18.4M)
TE - Godert ($10.7M)
HB - Barkley ($6.7M)

Philly won the Super Bowl, yet of the stars on offense Saquan earns less than the other top players at each position.

And because of that, he got a 2 year 42 million extension. Giving him a higher AAV than everyone but Hurts.

 

[Rellyrell]

And because of that, he got a 2 year 42 million extension. Giving him a higher AAV than everyone but Hurts.

Exactly;

It also depends on what the team runs, plus a lot of ur top RBs in today’s league r still under their rookie contracts, so those #’s r skewed, but Barkley & McCaffrey r two of the highest paid b/c of what they bring to the type of offense their coaches want to run.

Guys like Cook, Robinson, Gibbs will see a substantial pay increase once their rookie contract is up; also, Zack Moss is not even Cincy’s lead back anymore, it’s a Brown who’s also on another favorable rookie contract. If he continues to put up the all purpose #’s he did like last yr, he’s going to get handsomely chipped off.

Bottom line is QB is always top priority, but u pay top $$ to keep elite talent whether it’s WR, LT, RT, RB, LB, CB, etc. If u’re elite, expect a big check. If u’re good, expect a decent amount, & if u’re a role player, expect less of a commitment.

 

[kccanefan]

Exactly;

It also depends on what the team runs, plus a lot of ur top RBs in today’s league r still under their rookie contracts, so those #’s r skewed, but Barkley & McCaffrey r two of the highest paid b/c of what they bring to the type of offense their coaches want to run.

Guys like Cook, Robinson, Gibbs will see a substantial pay increase once their rookie contract is up; also, Zack Moss is not even Cincy’s lead back anymore, it’s a Brown who’s also on another favorable rookie contract. If he continues to put up the all purpose #’s he did like last yr, he’s going to get handsomely chipped off.

Bottom line is QB is always top priority, but u pay top $$ to keep elite talent whether it’s WR, LT, RT, RB, LB, CB, etc. If u’re elite, expect a big check. If u’re good, expect a decent amount, & if u’re a role player, expect less of a commitment.

So are we saying Cooper is Barkley or McCaffery?

Those are the exception. Not the rule. On average, the RB position has drastically lost value compared to the other positions on the team.

 

[SinisterCane]

Miami needs to overpay times 10 over because it’s the only thing they’re good at is the development of olinemen and over paying