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Next DC needs to run a 3-4 hybrid

10cane said:
Isn’t your former Deerfield player Brandon Dorlus doing exactly that for Oregon lol you’re talking to people who think cover 6 is a prevent defense
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How can you blame them for thinking it?

Most coaches.. coach the cover 6 like a **** prevent defense...

It's literally designed to provide deep support to the field side.

You don't have to coach it like prevent but a lot of coaches do and it confuses people.

Same as the 3-4... a lot of coaches run zone, zone blitz pressures, and 2 gap out of the 3-4. So of course people are going to think that's all that comes with it.
 
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Top 10 defenses per SP+:
6/10 are 3-4, 4/10 are 4-2 as a "base"
6/10 are 50% or above in Blue Chip Ratio: the 4 that aren't are Wisconsin (2nd), Iowa (4th), SD State (8th) and Ok State (10th)
7/10 are "offensive" head coaches with only UGA, Bama and SD State being "defensive" HC's

Miami needs to find someone that can recruit as acquisition is the #1 quality to winning. After that it's develop and after that deployment.
Of the SP+ Top10 heading into the next week, 7/10 are in the 50% BCR window. Wisconsin, Cincy and Pitt aren't.

Oregon 14th overall, 13th offense, 35th defense, 5th kicking
Miami 32nd overall, 22nd, 47th, 50th
 
D Line is critical as if they dominate you can maybe go with quickness rather than size at LB.

We can be critical of CB and safety tackling but there is a problem if we are needing to count on them to make tackles.

During last game I watched Flagg run head first into our Dline…and it was a sweep.

Need athletic players at LB and fit scheme to them
 
SoFlaSmitty said:
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this is a great break down of how it actually should be played
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Love it. But Lee Davis ain't ever won **** in the central region! Lol

Good teach up tho
 
Canezum5 said:
Also, since you coach in Florida. How many schools are teaching the kids 'match' zone concepts?

How many schools you see using the 3-4?

This is the 1st time I think we have ever disagreed when it comes to Xs and Os.

So these are genuine questions.

I dont mind being corrected
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Very few. You have a point there.

But South Florida kids are learning match zones when they go to Bama and other schools in the country.
Schools that recruit South Florida use some 3-4 packages.
We taught it here at Deerfield and I literally only have 2 coaches on defense. (me and the DB coach)
We also run at least 5 different fronts, a dozen different blitzes, several personnel packages and a handful of different coverages. (we live in mostly Cover-3 and Cover-1 though)

These kids are not as "dumb" as adults think. They can learn if the teaching/coaching is right. IT'S THE ADULTS THAT ARE BASIC.

I get what you're implying...but...
We can't just live in 4-3 man coverage at Miami because our local HS coaches suck.
You can't live in man coverage period. That's why MNW gets their a$$ handed to them by well-coached high school teams.

These kids have to learn the finer details of football at some point!
South Florida kids aren't too stupid to go to Bama or Georgia.
 
Coach Macho said:
****...
Very few. You have a point there.

But South Florida kids are learning match zones when they go to Bama and other schools in the country.
Schools that recruit South Florida use some 3-4 packages.
We taught it here at Deerfield and I literally only have 2 coaches on defense. (me and the DB coach)
We also run at least 5 different fronts, a dozen different blitzes, several personnel packages and a handful of different coverages. (we live in mostly Cover-3 and Cover-1 though)

These kids are not as "dumb" as adults think. They can learn if the teaching/coaching is right. IT'S THE ADULTS THAT ARE BASIC.

I get what you're implying...but...
We can't just live in 4-3 man coverage at Miami because our local HS coaches suck.
You can't live in man coverage period. That's why MNW gets their a$$ handed to them by well-coached high school teams.

These kids have to learn the finer details of football at some point!
South Florida kids aren't too stupid to go to Bama or Georgia.
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I have said this a gazillion times. We struggled recruiting CBs and LBs because they see the scheme we run and realize fairly quickly that it is a lost cause.
 
Canezum5 said:
Which hay day?

There has been a few.

You telling me every championship Miami team ran cover 4 zone?

I never said zone was bad.. but zone dominant? Especially zone blitz....

Can't see it.

You swore by AL Golden and that 3-4. It was trash.

UF thought Grantham and his 3-4 was gonna bring some heat. Got ran outta town.

When has that **** ever worked at a Florida school?
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LOL. I never swore by Golden's 3-4.
Matter of fact, the moment he got hired I said that 2-gapping **** will never work at Miami.

Guys who run all kinds of schemes get ran outta town. 4-2-5 guys get fired too.
 
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Coach Macho said:
****...
Very few. You have a point there.

But South Florida kids are learning match zones when they go to Bama and other schools in the country.
Schools that recruit South Florida use some 3-4 packages.
We taught it here at Deerfield and I literally only have 2 coaches on defense. (me and the DB coach)
We also run at least 5 different fronts, a dozen different blitzes, several personnel packages and a handful of different coverages. (we live in mostly Cover-3 and Cover-1 though)

These kids are not as "dumb" as adults think. They can learn if the teaching/coaching is right. IT'S THE ADULTS THAT ARE BASIC.

I get what you're implying...but...
We can't just live in 4-3 man coverage at Miami because our local HS coaches suck.
You can't live in man coverage period. That's why MNW gets their a$$ handed to them by well-coached high school teams.

These kids have to learn the finer details of football at some point!
South Florida kids aren't too stupid to go to Bama or Georgia.
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Fair!!!

All valid points.

I stand corrected.

Shutting up
 
Coach Macho said:
Bro stop it. LOL
It's literally the same position.
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Really because it looks like all he does is get pushed around when he stands up and when he has his hand in the dirt he actually gets major pressure. That scheme is making him look like a bust. Go look at his stats for the year. It’s sad
 
canecrazy23 said:
Really because it looks like all he does is get pushed around when he stands up and when he has his hand in the dirt he actually gets major pressure. That scheme is making him look like a bust. Go look at his stats for the year. It’s sad
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Coach Macho said:
These kids are not as "dumb" as adults think. They can learn if the teaching/coaching is right. IT'S THE ADULTS THAT ARE BASIC.
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Exactly...kids can learn the same things adults can learn, just not as much. **** I've taught some MZ concepts to kids as young as 10, we had a few big hits from our MLB from "RAT" coverage.
 
At the end of the day, I want us to be more multiple. I don't care what the "base" defense is.

I try to keep up with the defensive trends that are developing throughout college and HS football, and I never see Miami employ any of them.
Just like offenses had RPO's and such, defensive football has their own trends to stop these things.

I don't see Miami use "stubby" or "special" coverage versus Trips.
I don't see Miami use the Tite front versus offenses that run a ton of Inside/Outside Zone.
I don't see Miami use "simulated" pressures.

We have that "smartest guy in the room" mentality.
I seriously doubt anybody will EVER ask Manny to give a clinic and teach the football world what he's doing on defense.


And even more alarming than that is, the way we (don't) adjust to what offenses are trying to do.
We call man coverage...and if the offense lines-up in 3x1 bunch set (to beat man)...we STAY IN MAN and provide no 'middle hole' player to help underneath. (UNC touchdown pass) Now we're asking Gurvan Hall to do something nearly impossible. Result - touchdown!
And what's sad is, the adjustment is so simple! DROP A LINEBACKER INTO THE MIDDLE HOLE!!!! You literally can call that pre-snap!
 
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Coach Macho said:
At the end of the day, I want us to be more multiple. I don't care what the "base" defense is.

I try to keep up with the defensive trends that are developing throughout college and HS football, and I never see Miami employ any of them.
Just like offenses had RPO's and such, defensive football has their own trends to stop these things.

I don't see Miami use "stubby" or "special" coverage versus Trips.
I don't see Miami use the Tite front versus offenses that run a ton of Inside/Outside Zone.
I don't see Miami use "simulated" pressures.

We have that "smartest guy in the room" mentality.
I seriously doubt anybody will EVER ask Manny to give a clinic and teach the football world what he's doing on defense.


And even more alarming than that is, the way we (don't) adjust to what offenses are trying to do.
We call man coverage...and if the offense lines-up in 3x1 bunch set (to beat man)...we STAY IN MAN and provide no 'middle hole' player to help underneath. (UNC touchdown pass) Now we're asking Gurvan Hall to do something nearly impossible. Result - touchdown!
And what's sad is, the adjustment is so simple! DROP A LINEBACKER INTO THE MIDDLE HOLE!!!! You literally can call that pre-snap!
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I stand corrected about the Tite front. Actually saw Miami use it a little bit versus FSU. Shoved it right up FSU's a$$ when they did.
 
I see a trend to the passing game more and more and more. And it’s more down the field passing as there seems to be a lot of highschools adapting to this style as well as quarterbacks. In fact that is why you see more quality passers come in early to programs now and start.
Why the running game has changed is not that there are less good running backs but todays defenses are just bigger, stronger and faster able to offset a offense of the same characteristics and you see this clearly as the running game is almost extinct in the NFL.
So I expect we adapt to a hybrid 4/3 or a 5/2/4.
My concern for our offense is that we are moving towards a run oriented theme but that is adaptable if we cannot execute on a consistent level. PersonallyI have my doubts that bigger stronger and tougher approach can change the general trend away from the running game. Stated simply offenses are ahead of defenses for a reason.
 
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