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Next DC needs to run a 3-4 hybrid

CaneSince4Ever said:
But is it a National Championship caliber defense?

Can't recall a team that's won a Natty in the 4-2-5, nor the Air Raid.
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FSU ran it in 2013. I don't know why people get hung up on the numbers. Its simply a nickel defense with a tweener LB/DB.
 
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Damiencane86 said:
Gotta find that space eating DT and your LB room needs to be nasty for that scheme to be effective. It'd probably take a couple recruiting cycles to pull the necessary talent for us to run a 3-4, but the way Aranda runs his 3-4 is an interesting thought for sure.
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didn't D coach a 3/4
 
datcaneguy said:
You’ll put yourself in recruiting battles with all the big boys in the SEC and battles with Schools in the Midwest. Stick to the lakes and rivers your use to. 4-3, 3-3-5, 3-2-6. Get the athletes you have in your backyard and coach them up. Will be just as effective.
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the key word coach them up
 
moshated305 said:
Manny's problem isn't the 4-2-5. His problem is his ****** blitzes and even worse spot dropping passive zone he plays behind it. Our DBs are rarely in position to make plays on the ball because they sit covering grass just staring at the QB. They never have any idea a guy is in their zone.
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bingo
 
We the Boss said:
3/4 4/3 4/2/5 3/3/5 none of it matters if you marry your front to broke **** coverages and run ****** blitz’s on prevent downs or play off when you need to play tight bump n run to break up timing routes.

In short, manny is retarded.
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Hybrid is a must but do you remember the last time we ran a 3-4 lol Not good! None of the elite teams in football run a 3-4. They all run a 4-2-5 hybrid type.
 
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Quite a few misconceptions in here.

First of all, if you're not multiple in today's game, you're slackin'.

3-4, 4-3, 3-3-5, 4-2-5, blah blah blah. Fvck all that.
Those numbers just describe personnel. (i.e. 3-4 = 3DL & 4LB)
What really matters is WHERE you line these guys up and are they able to execute what you're asking them to do.

You need the ability to move in and out of different fronts depending on what the offense is trying to do to you. (FYI - the 3-4 gives you this flexibility more so than any other defense)

I personally run a 3-4, but versus spread teams we remove the Sam OLB and put a Nickel out there. (so is it technically a 3-3-5?)
If we get a team that runs double TE's or heavier sets, we remove the Nickel and put a Sam OLB in the game. (bigger body)
On passing downs we generally slide our 3-4 into a 4 front.
On running downs we play a lot of 3-4 Tite Front to stop interior runs.
Versus Wing-T or Double TE sets we play a 5 front.

See what I'm getting at?

It's all about situations, formations, the objective you're trying to accomplish and WHERE you're lining guys up. Defenses in college football today are stopping the run with only 3 guys on the line-of-scrimmage...but because of the way they're lined-up, it forces all interior runs to BOUNCE where next level defenders clean everything up.

We don't have this level of imagination and implication on defense. We generally just line-up in our "pEnEtRaTiNg 4-3" regardless of what offenses are trying to do. We let the chips fall where they may. And they usually fall somewhere around the mark of 500 yards of offense. Diaz already thinks he's a guru, which is why we've never seen anything different being implemented during his tenure here. He could never bring himself to adopt anything from the rest of the college football world.

I want yall to think about this for a second...
When you're truly multiple, you're never living in ONE THING all game. You have certain fronts/coverages that you like versus certain offenses, or on certain downs/distances, but you're not LIVING in any one thing all game. SO YOU RECRUIT ACCORDINGLY.
Yes you need a good NT to run the 3-4, but if you're not LIVING IN IT then you can recruit a huge body like Jon Ford to play it. You sign him to do nothing more than play the NT when you run your 3-4 Tite front, and a few snaps at 1-technique when you're in a 4-3. Then you have guys like Taylor and JHH to play the DE spots in the 3-4 front with a Nik Bonitto at the Rush OLB spot. When you slide to a 4-3 or 4-2-5 on passing downs then you move Taylor and JHH to the DT spot, move Bonitto down to weak/rush DE, sub another DE to the other side...BAM! You're in a 4-2-5 with an athletic front.

If we're doing this on the HS level then there's no reason we can't do it at Miami. I don't get to choose the kids for my scheme, I have to work with what I get. I imagine it only gets easier when you can specifically recruit what you want/need.

At the end of the day you have to be multiple. You can't just line-up in a penetrating 4-3 all game and run upfield. It's not 2001 anymore. Offenses are way too good and way too multiple today.
 
KrazyCane said:
I think the 4-2-5 puts too much pressure on true linebackers to be better athletes than most are at that position. Would need to recruit more safeties like a Keontra Smith and make them linebackers bc (not enough) true linebackers of quality don’t seem to want to risk playing in a strictly 4-2-5 system.
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How/why does the 4-2-5 put more pressure on your LB's?
 
Coach Macho said:
Quite a few misconceptions in here.

First of all, if you're not multiple in today's game, you're slackin'.

3-4, 4-3, 3-3-5, 4-2-5, blah blah blah. Fvck all that.
Those numbers just describe personnel. (i.e. 3-4 = 3DL & 4LB)
What really matters is WHERE you line these guys up and are they able to execute what you're asking them to do.

You need the ability to move in and out of different fronts depending on what the offense is trying to do to you. (FYI - the 3-4 gives you this flexibility more so than any other defense)

I personally run a 3-4, but versus spread teams we remove the Sam OLB and put a Nickel out there. (so is it technically a 3-3-5?)
If we get a team that runs double TE's or heavier sets, we remove the Nickel and put a Sam OLB in the game. (bigger body)
On passing downs we generally slide our 3-4 into a 4 front.
On running downs we play a lot of 3-4 Tite Front to stop interior runs.
Versus Wing-T or Double TE sets we play a 5 front.

See what I'm getting at?

It's all about situations, formations, the objective you're trying to accomplish and WHERE you're lining guys up. Defenses in college football today are stopping the run with only 3 guys on the line-of-scrimmage...but because of the way they're lined-up, it forces all interior runs to BOUNCE where next level defenders clean everything up.

We don't have this level of imagination and implication on defense. We generally just line-up in our "pEnEtRaTiNg 4-3" regardless of what offenses are trying to do. We let the chips fall where they may. And they usually fall somewhere around the mark of 500 yards of offense. Diaz already thinks he's a guru, which is why we've never seen anything different being implemented during his tenure here. He could never bring himself to adopt anything from the rest of the college football world.

I want yall to think about this for a second...
When you're truly multiple, you're never living in ONE THING all game. You have certain fronts/coverages that you like versus certain offenses, or on certain downs/distances, but you're not LIVING in any one thing all game. SO YOU RECRUIT ACCORDINGLY.
Yes you need a good NT to run the 3-4, but if you're not LIVING IN IT then you can recruit a huge body like Jon Ford to play it. You sign him to do nothing more than play the NT when you run your 3-4 Tite front, and a few snaps at 1-technique when you're in a 4-3. Then you have guys like Taylor and JHH to play the DE spots in the 3-4 front with a Nik Bonitto at the Rush OLB spot. When you slide to a 4-3 or 4-2-5 on passing downs then you move Taylor and JHH to the DT spot, move Bonitto down to weak/rush DE, sub another DE to the other side...BAM! You're in a 4-2-5 with an athletic front.

If we're doing this on the HS level then there's no reason we can't do it at Miami. I don't get to choose the kids for my scheme, I have to work with what I get. I imagine it only gets easier when you can specifically recruit what you want/need.

At the end of the day you have to be multiple. You can't just line-up in a penetrating 4-3 all game and run upfield. It's not 2001 anymore. Offenses are way too good and way too multiple today.
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Please extend this post into how your personnel packages and fronts align with coverage decisions. And, how it all has to work together. Your slants have to work with your back 7. Your blitz calls have to work with your down and distance and field position. It is ALL a system. And, how if we're ever going to play zone, we need to teach basic zone principles, exchanges, rules, communication (honestly, this stuff is done with 13-14 year old players). I'll copy and paste the two posts together and pin them to the top of this forum. Then whenever anyone talks about this topic, I'll just link them.
 
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Run what ever UGA is running.. and get coaches that can coach close to their level..

They seem to be the only elite Defense left in college..
 
How many people on this board ****ed and moaned when Golden ran 3-4? How many were begging for a fast, aggressive switch back to 4-3?
 
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