MEGA New Miami Adidas Ultraboost🔥 - The Shoe and Nike/Adidas Thread.

Nah, that’s not it.

You can’t ***** about Mario 24/7 anymore, so you had to find something else to ***** about, so you figured you’d give this meaningless bull**** a spin. At least you’re consistent.

But you do you, I find it amusing.
I *****ed about Mario when he is getting run out of the building against inferiors teams, never kneeling, losing games we should win, etc. etc. He adapted, like many said he needed to and we made a national championship playoff run. I am still not happy about the first half of the natty, the special teams disaster their coaches saw and we didn't fix and the feeling we let a natty slip through our hands, but the game was 6 months ago, it is the offseason and recruiting is going very well. No one is moping about football when there is nothing to mope about and it kills your narrative that people are just *****ing to ***** vs. it being warranted. If you need to see people complain, posters are plenty ****ed over on the baseball board, because there is something to be ****ed about for those that care about the program.
 

Ngl it’s kinda wild to hear our president be so tapped in that he is talking about Nike and adidas patches. I **** near just want him to be the AD too lmao.



Good looks on posting this because i missed it when i listened earlier. Of course no follow up question smfh

Full quote

“Joe, how important, how important is money going to be generating money? There's a lot of money now in Miami, a lot. A lot of people love being with winners, as you know.
You saw the national championship game and go into your basketball games. Is that a big part of this, too, is get more people to open their wallet for the NIL side of life?

It is because, as we like to say, if you want to win, it's expensive. This is much more professional model than an amateur model. Once we lost that Supreme Court case four years ago and NIL opened up.
So generating revenue is the very first thing I talked about. But that requires innovation from the most obvious to philanthropy and fundraising, but more elevating the brand. We can put our logo on all sorts of fields that you see on a TV screen that are not actually on the field of competition.
We don't maximize those opportunities very well. Patches are coming out now, and we can put a patch on our teams coming up this year. We have Adidas and Nike always jockeying for opportunities.
So revenue and innovation are at the very top of the list. Because without that, you can't make investment to be competitive in athletics anymore.”

Before this, he said he said he is in no rush to hire an AD and the search began at the end of april so he brushed aside the notion that it was far along (just communicating what he said; don’t shoot the messenger)
 
View attachment 365583What our CFB players looked like before adidas and Nike started poisoning our kids with polyester to lower their T. Get Hanes on the horn and stop this madness asap.
Speaking of this school….,


 
Let me help with something you probably won’t find on Google. Nike is proposing only a relatively small investment in Miami, while Jordan Brand has shown essentially no interest in partnering with us. Adidas, on the other hand, is offering by far the strongest deal on the table, and frankly, it’s not even close. They are going to make it impossible for Miami to say no. It’s over, gang. This is a great problem to have.

The issue is that we have people that are more loyal to a company than the actual University itself. The Nike cultists are exhausting, because they would rather Miami be at competitive disadvantage, just so they can have their preferred fanwear.

I don't care who Miami signs with, as long as the student athletes get everything they could ever want, and we are receiving a top end deal, complete with massive NIL support. If Nike wants to step up, fine. That said, I'm not with the school giving them a discount, this is a BUSINESS.
 

I’d say “to date”. Adidas is in the business of selling “sportswear”, you need a national brand to do that. This is one of the reasons Nikes investment in Oregon was always interesting to me, Oregon is a very regional brand. People in California for instance aren’t buying Penn St. merch.
I’m not saying Miami will be the adidas bell cow, but they also know what seems to be on the horizon in Miami.
 
I’d say “to date”. Adidas is in the business of selling “sportswear”, you need a national brand to do that. This is one of the reasons Nikes investment in Oregon was always interesting to me, Oregon is a very regional brand. People in California for instance aren’t buying Penn St. merch.
I’m not saying Miami will be the adidas bell cow, but they also know what seems to be on the horizon in Miami.
I mean if you're Adidas...this is what you wanted the whole time when you first partnered with Miami, right? You wanted them to come back to national football prominence. It's just a bonus *for them* that Indiana won the title and was wearing their brand, going against us in the natty also wearing their brand. All of this is just their investments in our program coming to fruition with the way Mario is running the ship. They know if Miami is hot, our apparel is important to us and in pop culture at large, really. How many times over the past 40 years have we seen no one with seemingly *no* Miami ties wearing Canes gear in the acting or music spheres?

As far as football is concerned, as long as Adidas doesn't **** off Miami or Indiana, they ought to feel pretty good about their standing in major CFB, and ought to be looking to flip some other schools (already pulling in Tennessee and Penn State, already have Texas A&M/Texas Tech, etc).

These next few years will be interesting...if Adidas continues to treat us right and we keep winning, it might thwart exactly what the Nike/Jordan fanboys who are also Canes fans want and keep calling for. Would be ironic - The U is back, but wearing Adidas, and that success keeps us from making any kind of wholesale change to a Nike/Jordan brand because business is good...so why change?
 
Why would Adidas be making such a "strong deal" when there's seemingly minimal competition?
Mostly rhetorical question.


Because, with all due respect to @Hurracanes , it will not be the "strong deal" that it is advertised to be. Though it will be a very good deal if it is in the Tennessee/Pedo State range.

There will be a component of the contract that I do not dispute at all, which is a direct cash payment to the University of Miami. This amount is just a fraction of the deal.

So let's talk about the other things that Miami will get.

1. "Massive NIL support". As I've said before, this is an area where I have given adidas strong credit for moving bigger and stronger and faster than Nike has at this point. Now, just based on the REPORTS for Tennessee, the claimed number is $10M per year for 20 Tennessee sports. Acknowledging that football will get the lion's share, it should also be noted that based on reports of two elements (including the "adidas ambassador program"), the likely structure will be that a LOT of Tenneseee athletes get a moderate amount of money, and that certain individual players will get a lot of money per person. In other words, it is not that hard to envision that about $5M of that $10M would go to the football program. Again, this is nothing to sneeze at, and if Nike is NOT matching that element, then it's like comparing apples to...well, actually, nothing. But let's move on to the analysis. Again, $5M per year is not insignificant. But in a timeframe when teams can spend $50M per year, you are talking about 10% of the annual NIL budget. NOT insignificant, but also unclear whether this gives a competitive advantage or is just used to sign one or two big players. A lot is yet unknown, so I will NOT denigrate this new aspect of apparel deals at all, I will just say that I am curious as to how it will work out. ULTIMATELY, if adidas and Nike start doing this for all their P4 schools (or most), then it just raises the level for everyone. HOWEVER, if it is only done for some, then you have a real competitive advantage. This is new stuff, so we need to keep our eyes open.

2. How does "massive NIL support" impact the schools - as I've alluded to before, if these are cash payments to the PLAYERS, then the "advertised value" of the contract does not mean that UM gets more money itself (it doesn't), but it certainly eases the burden on donors and collectives on "how to make payroll" during the NIL era. CANNOT be ignored.

3. How does "massive NIL support" impact adidas/Nike - this is where I would argue that the nature of the deals should NOT be "focus on the advertised value". Sure, if adidas pays $10M of NIL to Tennessee athletes each year, that is a cash payout. But the VALUE is quite heavily on Tennessee's side as well. If adidas paid Tennessee $10M cash, the money is gone. But if adidas pays Tennessee athletes $10M cash to be their brand ambassadors, the value comes back to adidas quite heavily. This will be true on other elements described below.

4. Marketing and co-branding ("activation"): This is usually about one-third of a contract. The new Tennessee contract can roughly be split into two parts. One part is like the "old" apparel contracts. About $100M of the $200M advertised value is going to be "NIL money" as described in #1 to #3 above, so that means the other $100M is traditional. About 1/3 cash payment to the school, about 1/3 in equipment and uniforms, and about 1/3 in marketing and co-branding. This is the non-cash "value" that attaches to things like advertisments and posters and billboards and whatnot that show Tennessee players wearing adidas clothing. So imagine how you get an e-mail (or mail, or billboards) encouraging you to buy season tickets. If there is an image that features the jersey or helmet (and adidas logo), then a value attaches to that. Trust me on this, if you knew HOW MANY companies were involved in traditional NASCAR images, you would be shocked. They had an entire department that tracked all the royalty payments due-due and due-from every time there was an image of a car or a driver (in his suit) used in any sort of likeness or image. BUT...suffice it to say...and this is very important...the NON-CASH value that a university has to include in its income is very...intangible...and also has a massive benefit to the apparel company.

5. Equipment and uniforms: This is a more tangible component of the contract, but is ALSO non-cash. Thus, if we get helmets and shoulder pads and footballs...great. A "sweetener" of such components can include the "alternate" jerseys...but let's not forget that Nike and adidas make a lot of that money back on...SELLING replicas of those jerseys at retail. I would EXPECT that a big bump that adidas is offering will be "funding for the new weight room", and while that is helpful, let's not ignore the fact that a nice bit of that value will be in BRANDING that weight room. By putting the adidas logo on the walls and on the equipment, adidas derives ongoing value above and beyond what they might pay to help us complete the Hecht/IPF improvements.

None of these things are insignificant, but they also need to be contextualized. We do not know all the details of the Tennessee contract yet, and the Pedo State contract has sparked significant controversy in Pennsylvania, including the "AD discretionary" portion (about $5M in value) and the highly summarized way in which the contract was presented to the Board of Trustees. In other words, one of the larger (overall) contracts that Pedo State was bound by...the BOT barely knows what is actually in the contract. Another controversy with Pedo State is that apparently Nike offered a $30M cash payment on Day 1, and this clause was not communicated to the PSU BOT.

So, sure, when you SEE the "total value" of what adidas is offering or what Nike is offering, there will be an eye-popping total number, and then there will be both "traditional" elements that we all are familiar with and understand, and there will be "new" elements (NIL) that are completely novel and will take several years to understand how this will impact the school and the sports teams.

As I've said before, this has been LARGELY a "fix is in" situation. For people who know how RFPs and contractual negotiations happen, you have to give a completely open opportunity to at least two bidders to get a fully apples-to-apples comparison. If Miami wants its next contract to include new elements like NIL support and funding for the new weight room, it simply includes those elements in the RFP. It is up to each bidder whether they want to include every element, or else do something as simple as offering one big lump sum that can be spent however Miami wants (though that would not happen, since 2/3 of the traditional deals have been non-cash, I was just giving an example).

I did find it interesting that the "advertised" value of Tennessee's deal is "20M per year" over 10 years, and the "advertised" value of Pedo State's deal is "300M over 10 years". Given that both schools are virtually the only large state schools in each state, and PA is the 5th largest state and TN is the 15th largest state, I would be very curious to know what exactly makes up "the other $100M". It looks like the "AD kickback portion" of $5M is part of it (this was described as a "non-standard" element of the deal, no matter how the PSU AD tries to spin it), but then what about the other $95M?

Bottom line, if Miami got a $200M deal comparable to Tennessee's, you could expect about $35M in direct cash payments to UM, which is about $3.5M per year. Which is a bit more than Miami gets paid now. The real "new money" would be the NIL money, and if UM football gets an extra $5M per year for NIL, that is helpful and wonderful and great. I just need to figure out if (eventually) EVERY P4 school will have something similar, or if this truly gives Miami a competitive advantage.

Clearly, I prefer Nike, but that is on a historical and personal basis. I feel like the last contractual cycle was poisoned by Beta Blake to yield one particular outcome. And while I do not feel that THIS CYCLE is as badly-tilted in adidas' favor, I also know that Nike wasn't given the red carpet treatment to get back into the building.

There aren't a lot of secrets in these deals anymore. If "Pedo State" gets something, people at Pedo State brag and eventually Ohio Taint demands the same treatment from Nike. And Nike isn't blind-sided by what adidas has been offering to Tennessee and Pedo State, at least to the point where Nike is ignorant about what to offer to Miami. But there are also times when different schools prioritize different parts of the bids. For instance, if you were representing a university located in Tallahassee, then you just might PRIORITIZE an element like the $30M up-front cash payment that Nike offered to Pedo State.

As I've been saying for months, I think adidas will prevail here. That's unfortunate to me, as I know how important the nationwide message of validation was in 1987 when Nike anointed Miami as "worthwhile". I understand if some 20-something Miami fan doesn't value that relationship the same way.

There are definitely some elements of the offers adidas is making right now to schools like Tennessee and Pedo State...that are impressive.

But I'm definitely not buying any more adidas merch until they make better merch. Just got 2 brand-new Nike UM polos off of eBay, and I'm very happy with the quality.
 
According to Mr. Google,

"Adidas is paying Real Madrid approximately €120 million ($138 million) per season as part of an eight-year contract extension that runs through 2034."

"Nike's sponsorship payments vary significantly by team, with its most lucrative kit deals exceeding €100 million annually. FC Barcelona holds the largest deal at roughly €120 million per year. Other massive national and club agreements range from €80 million to $100 million annually."
 
Time for you to change your name to Logical Not-Angry Ibis!

:ROFLMAO:
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I mean if you're Adidas...this is what you wanted the whole time when you first partnered with Miami, right? You wanted them to come back to national football prominence. It's just a bonus *for them* that Indiana won the title and was wearing their brand, going against us in the natty also wearing their brand. All of this is just their investments in our program coming to fruition with the way Mario is running the ship. They know if Miami is hot, our apparel is important to us and in pop culture at large, really. How many times over the past 40 years have we seen no one with seemingly *no* Miami ties wearing Canes gear in the acting or music spheres?

As far as football is concerned, as long as Adidas doesn't **** off Miami or Indiana, they ought to feel pretty good about their standing in major CFB, and ought to be looking to flip some other schools (already pulling in Tennessee and Penn State, already have Texas A&M/Texas Tech, etc).

These next few years will be interesting...if Adidas continues to treat us right and we keep winning, it might thwart exactly what the Nike/Jordan fanboys who are also Canes fans want and keep calling for. Would be ironic - The U is back, but wearing Adidas, and that success keeps us from making any kind of wholesale change to a Nike/Jordan brand because business is good...so why change?
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Why would Adidas be making such a "strong deal" when there's seemingly minimal competition?
Mostly rhetorical question.
Various factors are playing a role. Adidas has made some changes in recent years and is being more aggressive in the states. Adidas is also prioritizing South Florida. Miami, Inter Miami, FIU, FAU, Traz Powell stadium, and every HS programs are all signed with Adidas. Messi is low key a top reason for all of this. Adidas wants to make certain people in Miami happy who are linked with the university of Miami, and we will benefit greatly from it. Unlike Nike, Adidas is wine and dining Miami in more ways than one.
 
Miami isn’t as valuable to Nike as it is to Adidas imo. But that’s literally because I think Adidas should go all out to make Miami by far their #1 priority.

Personally if I were Adidas I’d be targeting the combo of Football success, international city destination, and student enrollment /total alumni base. So that’d put the teams I’d want at like these 15 (I’m saying in like more of an idealized scenario ignoring current contracts):
- Miami… which currently have.
- one of USC or UCLA. Imo this is #2 priority to Miami.
- Don’t think you can get Texas, so I’d get both A&M and Texas Tech which they already have.
- PSU , which they just signed.
- Indiana and MichSt for their alumni base
- Washington imo would be my top program on west coast not in LA.
- Tennessee
- ASU purely for Alumni base, and decent football commitment
- UCF for Alumni base
- Georgia Tech for Atlanta
- Cal for SF and renewed football investment.
- Houston as up and coming program
- Boston College and Northwestern for Int City and would be cheap
 
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Various factors are playing a role. Adidas has made some changes in recent years and is being more aggressive in the states. Adidas is also prioritizing South Florida. Miami, Inter Miami, FIU, FAU, Traz Powell stadium, and every HS programs are all signed with Adidas. Messi is low key a top reason for all of this. Adidas wants to make certain people in Miami happy who are linked with the university of Miami, and we will benefit greatly from it. Unlike Nike, Adidas is wine and dining Miami in more ways than one.


Yeah, and I think it's important to note that this is very unique.

On a NORMALIZED basis, the UNIVERSITY OF Miami gets its best comparatives by pitting Nike and adidas against each other.

But BECAUSE OF Messi, Inter Miami, the Mas brothers, and the CITY OF Miami (and region of Miami) specifically, adidas may WITHOUT BEING FORCED BY COMPETITIVE BID go higher than they might have otherwise gone.

I am still bothered by a critical factor BEYOND Miami, and that is the "flagship" nonsense. A big part of the bids to Tennessee and Pedo State was that "those schools" would be "FLAGSHIP" schools for adidas.

And yet...not everyone can be a flagship school. Nike seems to address the "premium" Nike schools by making them JORDAN BRAND. But you don't have a comparable within the adidas brand. All you have with adidas are promises, and adidas has broken its promises to Miami before. In fact, on the list of most highly-compensated schools that was posted on a prior page of this thread, Louisville is STILL ahead of UM, though they signed their deal only two years after we did.

If adidas stops breaking promises and follows through on things that we think they are offering, then it will be hard for Nike to top that. I can acknowledge that.
 
Whooooooooo Child; today is my off day, so I must address several flat out misnomers in this thread. My goodness.

NIL: Nike & Adidas r the clear leader in this dept, however there’s a fundamental difference.

Ppl have short memories, & thank God I’m blessed w a long one (press play). There’s something called Deja Vu, & once upon a time not too long ago, The 3 Stripe Life seemingly dominated FL. Maybe some forgot this commercial:


During this same time frame it was 3-stripes over Checks, & a lot of this came from right here in our fan base. Now, how have Adidas’ NIL benefited Adidas’ schools, b/c that’s the point of NIL at this level, correct? Well, let’s look at Adidas’ NIL classes:

•Bruce Branch III - BYU Cougars (Nike)
•Chris Henry Jr - O$U (Nike)
•Jeremiah Smith - O$U (Nike)
•Oliviyah Edwards - USCe (Nike)
•Kate Harping - UNC (Jordan)
•Anthony Thompson - O$U (Nike)
•Kaleena Smith (Special K) - Undeclared, but 5 Finalist all Nike
•Adam Oummidoch - Villanova (Nike)
•Caleb Holt - Arizona (Nike)
•Ian Jackson - UNC (Jordan) *has since transferred to St John’s (Adidas)
•Karter Knox - Arkansas (Nike)
•Tyler Atkinson - Texas (Nike)
•Winston Watkins - LSU (Nike)
•Kayden Dixon-Wyatt - USC (Nike)
•Madden Iamaleava - UCLA (Jordan)
•Honor Fa’alave-Johnson - USC (Nike)
•David Jacobs - O$U (Nike)
•Jamier Brown - O$U (Nike)

Since Adidas have made a “concerted effort” w NIL, these r the only athletes that signed w Adidas branded schools:
•Mikel Brown -UL
•Darryn Peterson - KU
•Taylen Kinney - KU
•Tristan Keys - UTenn
•Madden Williams -TAMU
•Trey Taylor - Nebraska
•Nick Lennear - Miami

I would argue that an Adidas NIL athlete has a better shot at signing w a Nike or Jordan branded school than an Adidas school.

There’s only one Nike NIL that’s attended or attending a rival school & that’s Stokes going to KU for class of 2027, & even then…well, nvm; anyways, carry on regarding all the **** Adidas will be doing for Miami….oh, b4 I forget….remember when Adidas “signed” Ward to a NIL deal when they thought he was going to win the Heisman? Yet, we still have….u know what, like I said carry on.

Great thread, btw.
 
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Whooooooooo Child; today is my off day, so I must address several flat out misnomers in this thread. My goodness.

NIL: Nike & Adidas r the clear leader in this dept, however there’s a fundamental difference.

Ppl have short memories, & thank God I’m blessed w a long one (press play). There’s something called Deja Vu, & once upon a time not too long ago, The 3 Stripe Life seemingly dominated FL. Maybe some forgot this commercial:


During this same time frame it was 3-stripes over Checks, & a lot of this came from right here in our fan base. Now, how have Adidas’ NIL benefited Adidas’ schools, b/c that’s the point of NIL at this level, correct? Well, let’s look at Adidas’ NIL classes:

•Bruce Branch III - BYU Cougars (Nike)
•Chris Henry Jr - O$U (Nike)
•Jeremiah Smith - O$U (Nike)
•Oliviyah Edwards - USCe (Nike)
•Kate Harping - UNC (Jordan)
•Anthony Thompson - O$U (Nike)
•Kaleena Smith (Special K) - Undeclared, but 5 Finalist all Nike
•Adam Oummidoch - Villanova (Nike)
•Caleb Holt - Arizona (Nike)
•Ian Jackson - UNC (Jordan) *has since transferred to St John’s (Adidas)
•Karter Knox - Arkansas (Nike)
•Tyler Atkinson - Texas (Nike)
•Winston Watkins - LSU (Nike)
•Kayden Dixon-Wyatt - USC (Nike)
•Madden Iamaleava - UCLA (Jordan)
•Honor Fa’alave-Johnson - USC (Nike)
•David Jacobs - O$U (Nike)
•Jamier Brown - O$U (Nike)

Since Adidas have made an “concerted effort” w NIL, these r the only athletes that signed w Adidas branded schools:
•Mikel Brown -UL
•Darryn Peterson - KU
•Taylen Kinney - KU
•Tristan Keys - UTenn
•Madden Williams -TAMU
•Trey Taylor - Nebraska
•Nick Lennear - Miami

I would argue that an Adidas NIL athlete have a better shot at signing w a Nike or Jordan branded school than an Adidas school.

There’s only one Nike NIL that’s attended or attending a rival school & that’s Stokes going to KU for class of 2027, & even then…well, nvm; anyways, carry on regarding all the **** Adidas will be doing for Miami….oh, b4 I forget….remember when Adidas “signed” Ward to a NIL deal when they thought he was going to win the Heisman? Yet, we still have….u know what, like I said carry on.

Great thread, btw.

When I read this, the theme music to 'Requiem for a Dream' started randomly playing.


That's how depressing reading this made me feel lol
 
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