It should def help with our explosiveness for sure. It also helps in terms of lower body injury prevention. A lot of knee or hamstring injury come from an imbalance of power distribution and/or weak development to begin with. That being said this sport loves no one and Oregon’s injuries last year (while freakish in frequency) concerned me.
They are fluky, which is why we differentiate between contact injuries and non-contact injuries. Not much you can do when someone dives at your knee or wraps you up awkwardly, but frequent non-contact ACL tears can be attributed to the overall training goals of the S&C program.
I agree with this, even having never seen his programming. New staff comes in and everyone wants to **** on the old S&C coach - Feeley was well-educated in this field and I would put down good money with odds that he was doing proper hamstring work with the team. Injuries dropped way down from when Felder was here.
Have you been reading my posts?! I've only been saying this for like 8 years.
This is the answer and I'm betting you either work in the field or a closely-allied one like athletic training or physical therapy.
I want to be explicitly clear that I respect you as a poster and I don't want anything I say to come off combatively or disrespectfully, only that I disagree with you philosophically. At least I think I do - I read your post a couple of times and maybe I'm misinterpreting what you're saying, so just correct me if I'm agreeing with you lol.
Okay I'm seeing this now and never mind, I actually think we do agree lol. I even wrote a post about Coach Feld detailing how I was concerned with Oregon's injuries too. I'm really happy to see these types of pictures though, I think Coach Feld has a strong understanding of periodization.
Everyone is making a big deal about the posterior chain development, which I'm not discounting, but that's not only what makes Nordic ham curls so awesome: They develop the calves and hamstrings through knee-flexion/extension as opposed to only hip extension, which improves stability of the knee and reduces the risk of injury.
I've written extensively about the importance of our S&C properly implementing hamstring work, particularly knee-flexion hamstring development.
They are fluky, which is why we differentiate between contact injuries and non-contact injuries. Not much you can do when someone dives at your knee or wraps you up awkwardly, but frequent non-contact ACL tears can be attributed to the overall training goals of the S&C program.
I agree with this, even having never seen his programming. New staff comes in and everyone wants to **** on the old S&C coach - Feeley was well-educated in this field and I would put down good money with odds that he was doing proper hamstring work with the team. Injuries dropped way down from when Felder was here.
Have you been reading my posts?! I've only been saying this for like 8 years.
This is the answer and I'm betting you either work in the field or a closely-allied one like athletic training or physical therapy.
I want to be explicitly clear that I respect you as a poster and I don't want anything I say to come off combatively or disrespectfully, only that I disagree with you philosophically. At least I think I do - I read your post a couple of times and maybe I'm misinterpreting what you're saying, so just correct me if I'm agreeing with you lol.
Nordic hamstring curls are awesome but their primary purpose is not power development, it's through developing the hamstrings eccentrically to make them a stronger antagonist to the quads, improving knee stability and yes, aiding in stride frequency. When you do them you're not focusing on concentric power, you're focusing on slowly elongating the hamstring which causes the most damage and therefore the most hypertrophy. They're essentially negatives to failure.
The part where I'm not sure where you're coming from is in regarding your thoughts on ONLY the load being the most important factor in S&C - I'm not sure if you're mocking other coaches (I agree!) or if you're saying that's what you believe personally, I'll just add in that this has been a debate for some time now but it's pretty evident that high-threshold motor units which are responsible for producing high amounts of force can be trained either through heavy load (strength work) or through speed, but all things being equal, neural rehearsal of a movement and specificity will always be superior to absolute load in practice.
But to your point, yes, speed and power are the name of the game.
Ahh I gotcha lol. My fault , I got a little beside myself and was being a bit sarcastic with so many S&C coaches placing primary emphasis on the load. I appreciate the insight as I’ve always paid close attention to your post. It is evident you have extensive knowledge on the subject and I am always trying to expand my knowledge outside of my current scholastic situation.
No man, it's all good - and now that I'm re-reading it I definitely see the sarcasm.
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You know how it goes…every single thing the last staff did sucked. So if this is an exercise that can help, there’s no possibility that the last staff did it.
Its also not like GHR or nordic curls are some sort of secret exercise. My HS wrestling coach had us do nordic curls and his real job was just being a history teacher lol. He wasn't some sort of fitness guru. The guys at the park do Nordic curls. I mean the WC at the U even had GHR benches before they remodeled the gym around 2014. I would imagine if the the WC had them the real gym had them as well.Everyone is making a big deal about the posterior chain development, which I'm not discounting, but that's not only what makes Nordic ham curls so awesome: They develop the calves and hamstrings through knee-flexion/extension as opposed to only hip extension, which improves stability of the knee and reduces the risk of injury.
I've written extensively about the importance of our S&C properly implementing hamstring work, particularly knee-flexion hamstring development.
They are fluky, which is why we differentiate between contact injuries and non-contact injuries. Not much you can do when someone dives at your knee or wraps you up awkwardly, but frequent non-contact ACL tears can be attributed to the overall training goals of the S&C program.
I agree with this, even having never seen his programming. New staff comes in and everyone wants to **** on the old S&C coach - Feeley was well-educated in this field and I would put down good money with odds that he was doing proper hamstring work with the team. Injuries dropped way down from when Felder was here.
Have you been reading my posts?! I've only been saying this for like 8 years.
This is the answer and I'm betting you either work in the field or a closely-allied one like athletic training or physical therapy.
I want to be explicitly clear that I respect you as a poster and I don't want anything I say to come off combatively or disrespectfully, only that I disagree with you philosophically. At least I think I do - I read your post a couple of times and maybe I'm misinterpreting what you're saying, so just correct me if I'm agreeing with you lol.
Nordic hamstring curls are awesome but their primary purpose is not power development, it's through developing the hamstrings eccentrically to make them a stronger antagonist to the quads, improving knee stability and yes, aiding in stride frequency. When you do them you're not focusing on concentric power, you're focusing on slowly elongating the hamstring which causes the most damage and therefore the most hypertrophy. They're essentially negatives to failure.
The part where I'm not sure where you're coming from is in regarding your thoughts on ONLY the load being the most important factor in S&C - I'm not sure if you're mocking other coaches (I agree!) or if you're saying that's what you believe personally, I'll just add in that this has been a debate for some time now but it's pretty evident that high-threshold motor units which are responsible for producing high amounts of force can be trained either through heavy load (strength work) or through speed, but all things being equal, neural rehearsal of a movement and specificity will always be superior to absolute load in practice.
But to your point, yes, speed and power are the name of the game.
