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Neuheisel says FSU running a high school/gimmick offense

We can dislike the messenger going all the way back to the U of Colorado days and the classic fight, but there can still be relevance to the message. And this is true of all situations.
And frankly I think he has a valid point that FSU and USC are reaching for desperate measures. This tell me a lot about the state of those programs, which was the ultimate point of his diatribe.
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Had someone tell me that the only coaches still calling the spread a gimmick offense is most likely an unemployed coach..

Sounds about right
 
I think it’s pretty embarrassing for Butch Davis that he lost to Rick Neuihesel of all coaches with the talent of the 2000 team.
 
Ash Joshi said:
We can dislike the messenger going all the way back to the U of Colorado days and the classic fight, but there can still be relevance to the message. And this is true of all situations.
And frankly I think he has a valid point that FSU and USC are reaching for desperate measures. This tell me a lot about the state of those programs, which was the ultimate point of his diatribe.
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Neuheisel was never a good coach. He won with Bill McCartney’s players at Colorado, but basically destroyed the program when he had to coach his own players. He was nothing more than Larry Coker or Frank Solich. At UW he had an unbelievably lucky 2000 season, with a whole bunch of close wins and a weak PAC-10. The rest of his time at UW he was very mediocre.

He was exposed as what he really was at UCLA.
 
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Ash Joshi said:
Last night on Espnu, Rick Neuheisel went on a long explanation of how the spread offense is basically a high school/gimmick offense that is used by teams with inferior talent that aren’t in a position to recruit with the big schools. his point about the the offense is that if a defense lines up its d-backs with the wide receivers, the defense can pretty much eliminate the passing game. Which leaves the offense reliant upon a running game, which the spread can help with because the defense is “spread” out. But if a team has athletes on defense to handle the running game, the offense can be shut down.

His entire point about the spread was his utter dismay that FSU and USCw had gone to the spread because he viewed this as an admission by those schools that they lack the athletes and talent on offense and are forced to run a high school offense, created by high school coaches who don’t have size on the offense line to run power football.

Now granted Rick maybe well past his prime and this maybe an example of the old guy not wanting to catch up to modern times, but he was really going on and on about what this means for FSU and USCw. I was glued to my radio for 15 minutes listening to his indictment of those programs.
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I think he leaves out a very big KEY pivotal point here. The offensive line. Much easier to run a system where the quarterback has easier identifiable reads thus getting the ball out quicker by default. This benefits the offensive line immensely. I have firmly entrenched myself in the belief that offensive line play, or lack thereof, (or a deficiency along those lines) is an epidemic in realistically about 128/130 FBS schools and 29/30 NFL teams.

These "Gimmick" offenses also de-cluttered the box and you couple those things with tempo now the smaller offensive linemen became a much more efficient cog in the wheel. The spread offense is not a gimmick. You see many more NFL teams time and time again adopt a ton of the college spread concepts and seamlessly blend the two. Heck, you got Arizona literally getting a failed big 12 head coach and bringing him in tow because you see where the nature of the game is headed.

Plus the other reason why spread teams are popular in college is that they aren't so dependent on game plan. College kids don't have 120 hours to spend a week like the pros do. They simply don't have the time to get really intrinsic detailed and multifaceted game plans. FSU might not have a play book, might be a gimmick, but their offensive coordinator by keeping it simple has had plenty of top 10 offenses under his tenure. Not bad for a gimmick.
 
A statement like that makes me believe that we were in better hands with Richt calling the offense last year than if we had this guy.
 
What makes Clemson and bama better than everyone else is both have merged the spread with the power game.spread is a good offense to a point .in the open field between the 20s it is hard to stop.but once it gets down in the red zone it doesn't fare too well.that offense doesn't have the punch to get that tough hard or two.that's what rich was trying to elaborate.
 
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a true spread is weak... when has a team that only runs spread win a championship?? Most of the time the defense becomes soft as well bc they practice against a soft offense... Having a multiple offense that’s physical is the best offense to have in this era.
 
He is irrelevant in 2019. His thoughts on FSU on 8/17 are irrelevant re: a rivalry game played on 11/2.

Season. Get. Here. Faster.
 
That goes for every offense. If u can shut down the pass they are forced to run and vice versa. Very earth shattering info.
 
Ash Joshi said:
Last night on Espnu, Rick Neuheisel went on a long explanation of how the spread offense is basically a high school/gimmick offense that is used by teams with inferior talent that aren’t in a position to recruit with the big schools. his point about the the offense is that if a defense lines up its d-backs with the wide receivers, the defense can pretty much eliminate the passing game. Which leaves the offense reliant upon a running game, which the spread can help with because the defense is “spread” out. But if a team has athletes on defense to handle the running game, the offense can be shut down.

His entire point about the spread was his utter dismay that FSU and USCw had gone to the spread because he viewed this as an admission by those schools that they lack the athletes and talent on offense and are forced to run a high school offense, created by high school coaches who don’t have size on the offense line to run power football.

Now granted Rick maybe well past his prime and this maybe an example of the old guy not wanting to catch up to modern times, but he was really going on and on about what this means for FSU and USCw. I was glued to my radio for 15 minutes listening to his indictment of those programs.
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He’s arguably the worst and most biased guy on CFB television. He hates FL with a passion. He doesn’t do any research. He completely talks out of his **** from his experiences 30 years ago.
 
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Translation (but he can't say it on TV) QB doesn't have brains to figure out anything more complicated than simple spread offense.
 
I have heard that FSU isn't running a playbook this year.

The concept of which, is still strange to me.
 
First of all "the spread" pretty much covers almost every team's offense in 2019 besides flexbone service academies. There's a ton of variety. Tom Herman runs a different offense than Gus Malzahn. Briles runs a different offense than Rich Rodriguez. They all do things differently.

The original idea behind it was to compensate for not being able to recruit top flight offensive linemen. Back when teams used to just line up and run the ball right at the defense, you either had a good line and were successful or you had a bad offense. Since smaller, quicker players are much more in abundance than NFL caliber linemen, it makes sense to use more of them to spread the field out and take advantage of one on one situations. Instead of playing in a phone booth where bigger stronger guys will dominate you. It also makes running the ball easier because it takes one or two defenders out of the box. Creating running lanes that used to require a road grading offensive line.

What Art and Kendal Briles do is simplify the concepts to an extreme so they can run plays at lightning speed. When it's on, it's impressive. When it gets exposed, it looks like a high school offense. Most of the passing concepts are essentially one man routes. Everything is designed to get one guy in a mismatch situation. The quarterback often only has one read. Or sometimes one pre snap read and one post snap read. You're literally programming your quarterback to do A in this situation or B in this situation. It takes a lot of thinking out of the equation. Which is good in that your QB doesn't have to be smart but bad in that your offense can be predictable since there's no improvisation. Everything is done based on a single read which defensive coordinators are starting to mask.
 
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So he trashes FSU Offense on National TV giving bad publicity to FSU and you guys are some how upset? Am I missing something?
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