Need More Diverse Offense

[Combo]

I'm a Pro style til I die guy, but from a personnel standpoint we should be running an uptempo Spread Offense. We have a sh*t ton of speed at WR & even before Walton got hurt we had 2 of the best backs in the ACC with him & Homer, but we still couldn't run the ball well enough.

There are teams that have way worse OL's than we do & can still run the ball consistently without problem. If you watch College Football & not just Miami games you'll see we're very much an average Offense, not because we don't have the players but simply because we're not always putting them in the best position to execute.

In today's era of college football offensive productivity can be manufactured even if you don't have great players. Both UCF & USF were top 10 in Total Offense & Scoring Offense, we weren't even top 50 in either. Now you'll say "that's because they play weaker comp", Oklahoma, Oh St, USC & AZ were also top 10-15 in those categories as well, **** even Wake Forest had a better Offense than us, so it's not just G5 schools.

And if it's all just the QB then we should be on the path to starting one of the young guys come September right?

This year is the most loaded Offense we've had in **** near decades, we have a WR corp that is 9-10 deep if include Dallas as a slot/screen guy & a RB stable 4 deep with all 4-star guys & a 5-star as well. 2 4-star TE's (one with 5-star talent) & a still developing Irvin Jr who can catch pretty **** well.

The OL is improved as well, so I don't wanna hear no more excuses as to why this Offense can't score & move the ball at a high volume, we should at the very least be top 25 offensively this season.

Doesn't matter how loaded we may be at WR/TE/RB if the QB can't get the ball to the playmakers.

 

[Memnon]

Doesn't matter how loaded we may be at WR/TE/RB if the QB can't get the ball to the playmakers.

If that's the case then what's the solution?

 

[cane since birth]

We do most of the stuff you say we dont, the only thing i wish we do is more motion and tempo which is stuff richt did a lot in the past i feel we dont do that is because of our personnel

 

[MainLineCane]

On more than one occasion our qb has been pressured or sacked by a three man rush.

With Rosier always locking onto the primary receiver and usually being unwilling to go down his progression, I can see why those three man rush coverage sacks often occurred. Can't blame the OL for all of that

 

[Hurracanes]

Play calling is often dictated by personnel.

This is accurate to a degree. Miami's lack of creativity on Offense is more a reflection on Richt than personnel. There isn't a single player on this team that can't run some kind of bootleg or misdirection and we barely saw it since Richt has arrived.

 

[gruntking]

With Rosier always locking onto the primary receiver and usually being unwilling to go down his progression, I can see why those three man rush coverage sacks often occurred. Can't blame the OL for all of that

Yes... a QB has to find the open man even when his primary receiver is well covered... that's what a good QB can do for an offense that helps get first downs on a more consistent basis.

 

[g8rh8rMD]

I mean, find me a 4 star Asian TE and a highly rated Samoan Guard with solid fundamentals and quick feet and I'm sure CMR would sign 'em up. I'm not sure what more you want in this area than two black QB1's in a row and a white slot receiver.

 

[DrStrange]

In today's era of college football offensive productivity can be manufactured even if you don't have great players. Both UCF & USF were top 10 in Total Offense & Scoring Offense, we weren't even top 50 in either. Now you'll say "that's because they play weaker comp", Oklahoma, Oh St, USC & AZ were also top 10-15 in those categories as well, **** even Wake Forest had a better Offense than us, so it's not just G5 schools.

And if it's all just the QB then we should be on the path to starting one of the young guys come September right?

All of the QBs of those teams are 10x better than Rosier. UCF's QB completed 67% of his passes. Mayfield 71%. *'s QB 65%, USC, 63%.... Rosier completed 53% of his passes. That's atrocious.

Now, I would question the OL-scheme. I don't think our guys are physical enough to run what Richt likes.

 

[canes614]

Definitely need some motion with more up tempo.....also, the QB "must" be able to zip it accurately on screens, bubbles and consistently throw the deep ball in stride....

 

[Captain Uberpants]

This board has become obsessed with motion. It’s all window dressing. Any shmuck DC can easily prep for that.

We can run all the motions and fakes and tempo and whatnot, it doesn’t matter when your oline couldn’t push its way out of a wet paper bag, your QB can only go through maybe his 2nd read, and most importantly, can’t accurately throw the football.

We had guys running open ALL year long. Rosier struggles with 5 yard slants and you want to make it more complicated for him?

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, you switch Rosier for any QB you consider above average or better, and we all of a sudden look like a high flying, vertical, “creative” offense.

 

[Billy D Williams]

I too believe we have to move on from Rosier because of his inaccuracy and lack of touch on the deep ball.

 

[Canesfan1899]

Wait until Rosier is the #1 after spring ball. Talk about a loooong offseason.

And he very well may be the #1 after spring, doesn't mean the job won't remain open through fall camp.

 

[DTP]

This board has become obsessed with motion. It’s all window dressing. Any shmuck DC can easily prep for that.

We can run all the motions and fakes and tempo and whatnot, it doesn’t matter when your oline couldn’t push its way out of a wet paper bag, your QB can only go through maybe his 2nd read, and most importantly, can’t accurately throw the football.

We had guys running open ALL year long. Rosier struggles with 5 yard slants and you want to make it more complicated for him?

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, you switch Rosier for any QB you consider above average or better, and we all of a sudden look like a high flying, vertical, “creative” offense.

Agreed. Yes, motion can be helpful but it's not some kind of end-all when it comes to innovation on offense. ****, Virginia Tech ran that same BS fly-sweep motion 50 times against us and it was pure garbage. A shotgun snap even hit the motion man one time and cost them a turnover.

I don't want to let Richt off the hook completely because there are still things he can improve on from a play calling standpoint but considering how hampered he was by A) a QB who could not complete a 3 yard slant B) injures crippling the RB and TE depth and C) the most dangerous player on offense spent the whole season hurt, you can't put all the blame on him. Calling plays in real football is not like calling plays in video games. you're limited by what your personnel can do successfully. Richt did a masterful job of incorporating the QB running game to suit Rosier's abilities. His use of Dallas during the final 1/3 of the season was great. He was pretty effective out of the wildcat. We want these intricate patterns and nuanced passing game but you can't call plays like you have Tom Brady when your actual quarterback is more like Jan Brady.

 

[HurricaneLee01]

With Rosier always locking onto the primary receiver and usually being unwilling to go down his progression, I can see why those three man rush coverage sacks often occurred. Can't blame the OL for all of that

No matter how you try to spin it or say it. Our qb and o line play are the main reasons our offense struggled.

 

[MainLineCane]

No matter how you try to spin it or say it. Our qb and o line play are the main reasons our offense struggled.

Sure both can improve and should.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on the OL pass blocking. You can hold your man only so long.

You give a QB 4 seconds you've pretty much done all you can. IF the QB can't go down his progression by then , who's at fault is clear

 

[cane since birth]

This is accurate to a degree. Miami's lack of creativity on Offense is more a reflection on Richt than personnel. There isn't a single player on this team that can't run some kind of bootleg or misdirection and we barely saw it since Richt has arrived.

Its more reflective to the personnel, we ran a spread with rosier this year as opposed to a pro style the year before with kaaya, he ran motion like crazy when he was the OC at FSU and when he called plays at UGA, in this case with richt its more with who he has behind center, giving him less reads as we saw rosier isn’t that great at reading the field

 

[TheEye]

Its more reflective to the personnel, we ran a spread with rosier this year as opposed to a pro style the year before with kaaya, he ran motion like crazy when he was the OC at FSU and when he called plays at UGA, in this case with richt its more with who he has behind center, giving him less reads as we saw rosier isn’t that great at reading the field

Yeah, I'm not familiar with Richt's playcalling at previous schools, but I do recall a lot of RPO calls with Kaaya where Kaaya could have taken an option to run but he never would. Rosier took the option and would make gains and even score on occasion. A QB that is consistent in running and passing would open up the offense on the field and playcalling would take a back seat to what the defense shows at the snap.

 

[cane since birth]

Yeah, I'm not familiar with Richt's playcalling at previous schools, but I do recall a lot of RPO calls with Kaaya where Kaaya could have taken an option to run but he never would. Rosier took the option and would make gains and even score on occasion. A QB that is consistent in running and passing would open up the offense on the field and playcalling would take a back seat to what the defense shows at the snap.

One thing i am critical with richts playcalling is his playcalling in the redzone, id like to see more creativity there on early dowbs as opposed to 3rd down or 4th, would like to see RPO in the redzone too

 

[Canesfan1899]

If that's the case then what's the solution?

I mean we all know what that means, we need new blood at QB. Rosier got us as far as he can take us, we need far more consistency from the position though.

To the original post, I agree we need more notion in the offense. Would love to see Thomas or Harley in motion, some jet sweep action off that, or fake jet sweep. Would open up so much in the middle of the field.

 

[Bk1]

This board has become obsessed with motion. It’s all window dressing. Any shmuck DC can easily prep for that.

We can run all the motions and fakes and tempo and whatnot, it doesn’t matter when your oline couldn’t push its way out of a wet paper bag, your QB can only go through maybe his 2nd read, and most importantly, can’t accurately throw the football.

We had guys running open ALL year long. Rosier struggles with 5 yard slants and you want to make it more complicated for him?

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, you switch Rosier for any QB you consider above average or better, and we all of a sudden look like a high flying, vertical, “creative” offense.

Spot on....motion, shift, personnel groupings wont matter if your Qb CAN'T Consistently complete passes....imagine this....Rosier threw for close to 30 tds and 3 stacks completing just over 50 percent...if he could had just hit a few more guys that were open, his stat line would have looked like he played a ah pass happy system i.e. Wash St. OK St or Texas Tech...