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NCAA Meets with Ruiz to discuss NIL deals

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LOL at a well organized collective vs legitimate corporation. These ******* morons god ****.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Well-organized and legal?

Yes, offering Harold Perkins' mom a no-show job at Shands and free housing for the family is reallly "well-organized and legal".

AND THOSE MOTHERFVCKERS BRAGGED ABOUT IT ON THEIR SITE.
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Honestly immediately after finishing reading the second point I just assumed this was someone trolling the gators, cause ain't no way lol..
 
Cribby said:
Any person with sense knew they’d be sniffing around sooner than later. We didn’t spend nearly as much as some Sec schools yet we were the poster child of the Nil world.
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Did Ruiz plan this from the start? Being the NIL spokesman and beating the NCAA in court......
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Look, I'm not just responding to you. I'm not mad at you personally.

But can ANY of these "John Ruiz is going to sue the **** out of everyone" bros explain:

A. What the NCAA is going to do to Ruiz personally
B. How ANY booster has EVER had standing to countersue the NCAA when the NCAA penalizes a UNIVERSITY for something a booster has done
C. On what basis anyone thinks that John Ruiz has any lawsuit claim against the NCAA

To date, the NCAA has not publicly said anything against John Ruiz or LifeWallet, though plenty of journalists and fake-journalists have done so. In the past, outside of state criminal charges, the NCAA has never reallly taken any actions against a booster, personally, outside of requiring a university to disassociate itself from a booster who has committed violations. And for decades, the NCAA has actually punished UNIVERSITIES for the actions of boosters, not the boosters themselves.

So I have NO IDEA what the Ruiz For Life Bros think is going to happen here. How they think John Ruiz is going to sue the NCAA when the NCAA hasn't done anything to him, and likely will do nothing to him. The NCAA is entitled to make rules. You can't just walk into a court and say "I don't like this governing body's rules, and even though I am not a coach or player or administrator, I am going to sue to enjoin these new rules."

Yeah, it's just not happening. I'm not sure where this mythical Ruiz v. NCAA lawsuit myth was invented.
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Ya, "counter-suit" was a bad choice of words. I really meant that knowing Ruiz is a lawyer and probably knows as much as anyone about NIL legalities (in FL anyway), he and Rad could make some noise if the NCAA starts using double standards again at Miami's expense.

It seems we have an AD and some influential alumni now who are no longer willing to stand by and let the NCAA pick on us, while the SEC continues to do whatever they want w no repercussions.
 
BP Joe said:
Ya, "counter-suit" was a bad choice of words. I really meant that knowing Ruiz is a lawyer and probably knows as much as anyone about NIL legalities (in FL anyway), he and Rad could make some noise if the NCAA starts using double standards again at Miami's expense.

It seems we have an AD and some influential alumni now who are no longer willing to stand by and let the NCAA pick on us, while the SEC continues to do whatever they want w no repercussions.
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Fair enough.

Yes, I think Dan Radakovich will be willing to fight the NCAA harder than some previous ADs were.
 
AtlAtty said:
For what it is worth Neuheisel and Childers were completely clowning the NC2A for 10 straight minutes thinking they could do anything to Ruiz. This included them hypothesizing that Ruiz has so little regard for the NC2A’s power that he probably was wearing flip flops and a Tommy Bahama shirt.

More importantly, they stressed that Justice Cavanaugh and his 8 colleagues on the Supreme Court are just itching to slap down the NC2A again as soon as it takes any action limiting how much or in what form of NIL money a student athlete can make.

They displayed a very good understanding of how the legal process has completely gotten away from the NC2A and how they are nothing more than a paper tiger on this subject.
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Pretty sure the SCOTUS have a much, much bigger issue on its hand right now, & the NCAA is last on its list. Also, pretty sure Cavanaugh has MUCH bigger problems to worry about right now, besides NIL. Lol
 
Rellyrell said:
Pretty sure the SCOTUS have a much, much bigger issue on its hand right now, & the NCAA is last on its list. Also, pretty sure Cavanaugh has MUCH bigger problems to worry about right now, besides NIL. Lol
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Kavanugh isn’t spending one second worrying about NIL or any case not before the Court at this moment. But it was clear from a 9-0 decision and Kavanaugh’s opinion that the Court thought the idea of not allowing a free market for athletes to profit from NIL was absurd. The point being that the Court if the NC2A takes action contrary to the Court’s decision, that case will ultimately end up before the Supreme Court and the NC2A will be trashed. Again.
 
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I will say this, the more publicity they give Ruiz and Lifewallet the stronger the argument he has that all this NIL stuff they're doing is working for their business. He can just point to the mentions he and the company are getting.
 
AtlAtty said:
Cavanugh isn’t spending one second worrying about NIL or any case not before the Court at this moment. But it was clear from a 9-0 decision and Cavanaugh’s opinion that the Court thought the idea of not allowing a free market for athletes to profit from NIL was absurd. The point being that the Court if the NC2A takes action contrary to the Court’s decision, that case will ultimately end up before the Supreme Court and the NC2A will be trashed. Again.
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I’m not so sure bro; a lot of politicians who were pushing this r not having buyers’ remorse. The NIL has been completely misused from the intent & purpose. B4 other chit was going that’s taken much more of a precedence, I know for sure several politicians were looking for a way to amend NIL to help put parameters on it. That coupled w/ conference commissioners looking to The NCAA to adjust guidelines around NIL, & it might be a different result.

Yes, the 9-0 ruling in favor of NIL will stand; the NCAA cannot & should not limit how much an athlete makes from their NIL, BUT that don’t mean rules governing what’s “NIL acceptable” can’t be put in place.
 
Rellyrell said:
I’m not so sure bro; a lot of politicians who were pushing this r not having buyers’ remorse. The NIL has been completely misused from the intent & purpose. B4 other chit was going that’s taken much more of a precedence, I know for sure several politicians were looking for a way to amend NIL to help put parameters on it. That coupled w/ conference commissioners looking to The NCAA to adjust guidelines around NIL, & it might be a different result.

Yes, the 9-0 ruling in favor of NIL will stand; the NCAA cannot & should not limit how much an athlete makes from their NIL, BUT that don’t mean rules governing what’s “NIL acceptable” can’t be put in place.
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The Supreme Court ruling involved benefits provided by schools, and NOT the NIL rules.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
The Supreme Court ruling involved benefits provided by schools, and NOT the NIL rules.
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Right; the ruling was in regards to restricting “education related benefits.” The SCOTUS did not touch on “pay for play.” In essence the ruling left a lot of ambiguity; as a matter of fact, I believe they involved a “no Lamborghini rule” the NCAA could authorize. However, if a kid received an offer for a $50k internship or $10k computer, sponsorships, etc. none of that could be limited.

The pay for play was never defended, argued, or ruled upon, actually. That’s the slippery slope, a slope the NCAA willingly threw their hands up, & I’m still of the opinion they did that to spite both the ruling & those ?ing its ability to govern its member schools. The results have been anarchy, & now some r looking towards them to help place guardrails.
 
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Rellyrell said:
Right; the ruling was in regards to restricting “education related benefits.” The SCOTUS did not touch on “pay for play.” In essence the ruling left a lot of ambiguity; as a matter of fact, I believe they involved a “no Lamborghini rule” the NCAA could authorize. However, if a kid received an offer for a $50k internship or $10k computer, sponsorships, etc. none of that could be limited.

The pay for play was never defended, argued, or ruled upon, actually. That’s the slippery slope, a slope the NCAA willingly threw their hands up, & I’m still of them opinion they did that to spite both the ruling & those ?ing its ability to govern its member schools. The results have been anarchy, & now some r looking towards them to help place guardrails.
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Absolutely agree. The NCAA acted out of a FEAR that Alston could eventually be applied to NIL situations, but it is not clear that this would ever have happened.

Nonetheless, I am happy we have NIL (generally), even if I am still anti-NCAA in the way that they basically abdicated all rules and guidance that could have made the transition MUCH better. The NCAA allowed the Wild Wild West, and now they are going to act like it's just soooooo easy to send a sheriff in to clean things up.
 
Soooo if ncaa finds nothing and does nothing about collectives……. Then what are we gonna call ours?
 
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