NCAA’s Official Position

[Canedog]

Well the rules of the NCAA require you to carry a certain number of Mens and women's sports in order to qualify to be a division 1 program so the only way the football team gets the exposure under those rules is to field those teams so they are vitally important. With that said there is no reason that non-revenue sports should be treated the same way as revenue generating sports, and I was a non-revenue sport athlete. Not only should revenue sports be treated differently for benefits but they should also be excluded from Title 9 calculations on participation, it is absurd that you need equal number of female athletes in non-revenue sports to be proportional with revenue generating football, it punishes other men's non-revenue sports and it is an apples to oranges comparison.

Dats wat I'm talking bout Bruh!

 

[CaneFan79]

As a quick aside, if Marky Mark Emmert and the NCAA Funky bunch had been visionary leaders and instituted athletic department spending caps that would have cut costs, then used the excess rights fees $$$ made available for a defered scheme giving players an $$$ allowance after their college careers had ended...We wouldn't be in this mess.

 

[Go Canes!!]

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The NCAA doesn't make zillions. Coaches and universities, that's a different story. Only 10 percent of D1 schools are profitable. Big bad NCAA, please.

That statistic is not correct. Way more than 10% are making money, despite every attempt they make to spend every penny of it.

 

[hotshot]

NFL should let players choose to go directly from HS to the NFL, with the proviso that if the kid doesn't like who he's drafted by/where he's drafted, they could then sign with a school. Like baseball. That takes care of your 1 percenters.

 

[SayWhat]

That statistic is not correct. Way more than 10% are making money, despite every attempt they make to spend every penny of it.

Anything to validate your claim? Sorry, but I would say USA Today is a reputable sorce in comparison to some internet poster saying otherwise.

You do also realize that students contribute to athletic scholarships through fees in their tuition. This helps bridge the gap, but doesn't in most cases.

It is a myth that college sports are some cash cow. Some it is, but for most it's nowhere near that.

 

[The Svengali]

The players receive far more than just the value of a scholarship. There is value in the training facilities they are provided, the training staff, the food, the nutrition staff, the tutoring, the housing, the coaching, the equipment, etc. Add it all up, and the a football player at an average P5 school is likely receiving in excess of $300-$400 thousand per year, tax free.

This is a backwards way of viewing this:

1. Your numbers are out of whack and far too high due to economies of scale. There are significant costs reductions because all student athletes from every sport uses these same assets. The difference is Football and hoops brings in all the $$$.

2. Every student has access to free tutoring.

3. Universities purchases all food that each and every student with a meal plan has access to, from a single contract that was bid on

4. Football and basketball players are unable or discouraged from major in disciplines like Computer Science, Engineering or architecture because they don’t have enough time to play sports and study for disciplines with intense time commitments. So, on the aggregate their degrees could have less value, given the majors they’re shoe-horned into taking (i.e, sociology, exercise science, psychology, etc)

5. There is a direct correlation between winning football and basketball teams and an increase student applications for enrollment as well as the quality of student, with is more $$$$ for the uber duties coffers and their endowment

6. Subtract the salaries paid to training staff and tutors and subtract that from the $70-80 millions athletic budgets receive annually from Bowl Games, TV rights, NCAA tournaments (hoops) and athletic deals (Nike snd adidas) and see what you’re left with ($72-62 million).

It’s obscene what’s happening to these student athletes

 

[PanamaCityCanes]

It’s obscene what’s happening to these student athletes

I applaud your strategy to push the extreme view of this debate. Keep that narrative alive that athletes are being treated like slaves.

The reality is that football and basketball players are treated like kings and get anything and everything they want, all paid for by the athletic department.

 

[Go Canes!!]

Anything to validate your claim? Sorry, but I would say USA Today is a reputable sorce in comparison to some internet poster saying otherwise.

You do also realize that students contribute to athletic scholarships through fees in their tuition. This helps bridge the gap, but doesn't in most cases.

It is a myth that college sports are some cash cow. Some it is, but for most it's nowhere near that.

The ONLY myth is there is no money to play the players. Take a look at what's happened with revenues over the last 2-3 years aross the board.

Your article states NCAA revenues are about $1 billion. Wll with the new networks at TV deals revenues have exploded to to ridiculous levels:

ACC 2012 $232 million
ACC 2018 $464 million

B10 2017 $464 million
B20 2018 $759 million

SEC 2014 $216 million
SED 2018 $650 million

B12 2016 $313 million
B12 2018 $373 million

PAC12 $474 million

ACC revenue up more than 10 percent for fourth time in five years

The ACC’s annual tax filing shows a revenue increase of more than 10 percent for the fourth time in five years, though average distributions to member schools continue to lag behind their Pow…

www.dailypress.com

Big Ten Conference had nearly $759 million in revenue in fiscal 2018, new records show

Big Ten tops SEC by $100 million; commissioner Jim Delany credited with $5.5 million in compensation as payouts begin from $20 million-plus bonus plan.

www.usatoday.com

The SEC has record revenue in 2018, but Big Ten schools rake in more per-school distribution

SEC tax records show a conference record of $660 million in revenue for fiscal 2018, but reports from Big Ten schools show greater revenue distribution.

www.usatoday.com

Pac-12 revenue drops, but school payouts rise

Pac-12 revenue fell by $12 million in 2018 to $497 million because the conference could not make up for lost Rose Bowl revenue from when the game hosted a College Football Playoff semifinal after the 2017 season.

www.espn.com

The article you listed showed $1 billion in revenue, in just the last few years it's surged to $2.5 BILLION. And this is all BEFORE revenues from the ACC Network start pouring in.

 

[The Svengali]

I applaud your strategy to push the extreme view of this debate. Keep that narrative alive that athletes are being treated like slaves.

The reality is that football and basketball players are treated like kings and get anything and everything they want, all paid for by the athletic department.

No, I just happen to have a much clearer understanding of market forces, modern economics than you do, and I also have deeper insights into the hearts and minds of high level P5 student athletes. I know some that didn’t go on to the next level and are struggling to hold down basic jobs due to majors like PE or Sociology, and I have two relatives that played in the SEC (UGA and Florida) and both are currently starting in the NFL and have had long careers. And I can assure you, two guts agree with my premise to the 100000th degree

 

[PanamaCityCanes]

No, I just happen to have a much clearer understanding of market forces, modern economics than you do, and I also have deeper insights into the hearts and minds of high level P5 student athletes. I know some that didn’t go on to the next level and are struggling to hold down basic jobs, and I have two relatives that played in the SEC (UGA and Florida) and both are currently starting in the NFL and have had long careers. And I can assure you, two guts agree with my premise to the 100000th degree

So you rely on anecdotal evidence. Rookie mistake.

 

[MotoSniper]

Does anyone really know the NCAAs true cut of money in the current landscape??? The conferences make tons of money, but the NCAA also rakes in television gross profit? honestly don't know

 

[PanamaCityCanes]

Does anyone really know the NCAAs true cut of money in the current landscape??? The conferences make tons of money, but the NCAA also rakes in television gross profit? honestly don't know

People want to spout off that the NCAA is "making billions", but they put almost every bit of it right back into the sports they're sponsoring. They make most of their revenue from the NCAA basketball tournament.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

As soon as the NCAA is dismantled and kids are paid, tuition will skyrocket and tax payers will bite the bullet. Schools aren’t gonna eat the cost of this, they’ll pass it on to the consumer. State schools are paid for by taxes. The NCAA isn’t gonna pay for it either. So unless boosters are paying for this themselves it will be a disaster.

You can claim capitalism and whatever else but it’s a form of socialism. It will be tax payer subsidized. There is zero way around it. Private schools will suffer immensely.

 

[Cajuncane]

if I was the Governor i'd right back " we will repeal the decision as soon as you stop the SEC and others from dropping large bags that all schools can't drop".

even THAT playing field and we will think about repealing our bill.

 

[gruntking]

After you hear the all the arguments for paying players, and then you hear the many spin off problems that it will create... this whole issue is a classic can of worms. I believe that radically changing the NCAA and the scholarship programs will ultimately hurt scholarships in general. If we have an issue with the NCAA making money... we may want to consult Cuba to see how they handle student athletes and revenue generation.

 

[CaneFan79]

The NCAA's cash cow is March Madness, which they own (along with the NIT). The CFP has been outsourced and the conferences make the money in CFB. As more cord cutting and lower ratings start to infest CFB, the ever increasing conference member $$$ shares will go down and the economic sense of running a major D1 program disappears. Without cost controls, CFB is doomed regardless of laws passed by individual states.

 

[Silentobserver]

As soon as the NCAA is dismantled and kids are paid, tuition will skyrocket and tax payers will bite the bullet. Schools aren’t gonna eat the cost of this, they’ll pass it on to the consumer. State schools are paid for by taxes. The NCAA isn’t gonna pay for it either. So unless boosters are paying for this themselves it will be a disaster.

You can claim capitalism and whatever else but it’s a form of socialism. It will be tax payer subsidized. There is zero way around it. Private schools will suffer immensely.

Tuitions have skyrocketed and college sports (money makers or not) have little impact with tuitions going up or down. Federal student loans have been directly the cause for the radical increase of tuition over the last two decades.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

Tuitions have skyrocketed and college sports (money makers or not) have little impact with tuitions going up or down. Federal student loans have been directly the cause for the radical increase of tuition over the last two decades.

I agree with everything you’re saying the government ruins everything it touches. I’m speaking in general terms. Someone said pay the kids monthly allowances, which would be covered by taxpayers. Taxpayers subsidize over half of every bachelors degree earned by every student at state schools. When you start pulling more money pays by the school to give to athletes it costs tax payers. When you give players money for their likeness such as jerseys and all merchandise, prices go up to offset that loss of money, ticket prices as well. The cost is passed down to consumers and tax payers. Private schools will need more grants and subsidies to cover costs as well, coming from taxes.

Donors or tax payers will eat this bill

 

[Silentobserver]

I agree with everything you’re saying the government ruins everything it touches. I’m speaking in general terms. Someone said pay the kids monthly allowances, which would be covered by taxpayers. Taxpayers subsidize over half of every bachelors degree earned by every student at state schools. When you start pulling more money pays by the school to give to athletes it costs tax payers. When you give players money for their likeness such as jerseys and all merchandise, prices go up to offset that loss of money, ticket prices as well. The cost is passed down to consumers and tax payers. Private schools will need more grants and subsidies to cover costs as well, coming from taxes.

Donors or tax payers will eat this bill

Gotcha, I missed the earlier post