NC Sate vs. Clemson - 202 total yards!

[FrancisSawyer]

The thing is we wont take concepcion away, someone ran down other teams top targets against our D and we let them go off and eat.. Hopefully we grind out a W

I get it, but outside of the 3rd quarter against UNC defense has hardly been our problem. Since the GT game, It's been a completely bland and ineffective offense with no explosion together with TVD turning into a prolific turnover machine.

If the defense was bad and had been an issue all year then I would be the first one questioning Guidry's decisions but it's not, it hasn't been so I won't. Having said that, I do long for the days when we would have the ability to take the oppositions #1 weapon out of the game. Remember Antrel Rolle shutting down Larry Fitzgerald of Pitt back in 2003? Fitz was such a stud that year and was cruising for the Belitnikoff Award and Rolle just locked him down like a boss!

 

[Mr. Dynasty1]

Why is it silly to point out that they struggled to move the ball on the majority of their plays

Those plays that are “taken away” illustrate how their offense is capable of breaking big plays at any point, therefore must be included when discussing the team

 

[OldhamA]

Average to slightly above average team. How you win, speaking only for myself, matters.

After the last 20 years we're genuinely not in a position to worry about style points.

Just win and start removing another barrier to game-changing recruits picking the SEC or Ohio St over us.

 

[PIPO]

After the last 20 years we're genuinely not in a position to worry about style points.

Just win and start removing another barrier to game-changing recruits picking the SEC or Ohio St over us.

That’s fine. Agree on just winning.

But a lot of you underestimate, when it comes to recruiting, how the recruits see and analyze things. Many of them are pretty intelligent in terms of seeing that our offense, from a passing perspective, is not very attractive like it was at the beginning of the season, as an example.

 

[BLUE PHI CANE]

Man last month we was just screaming Van Dimes

 

[OldhamA]

That’s fine. Agree on just winning.

But a lot of you underestimate, when it comes to recruiting, how the recruits see and analyze things. Many of them are pretty intelligent in terms of seeing that our offense, from a passing perspective, is not very attractive like it was at the beginning of the season, as an example.

I'm pretty sure they can also see that guys are running wide open and the QB is throwing it to the defence instead.

 

[canecountry3]

That’s fine. Agree on just winning.

But a lot of you underestimate, when it comes to recruiting, how the recruits see and analyze things. Many of them are pretty intelligent in terms of seeing that our offense, from a passing perspective, is not very attractive like it was at the beginning of the season, as an example.

Aside from game day visits, a lot of people would be surprised how little these recruits actually watch college football games.

 

[the storm]

Aside from game day visits, a lot of people would be surprised how little these recruits actually watch college football games.

The sky isn’t falling on Sat. JUST DO IT! LETS GO CANES!

 

[Brooklyndee]

Why would they rack up 500 yards on us?

Our defense has been very good the vast majority of this season.

When has reality ever factored into comments on here? We've had a **** good defense all throughout the year. Their key player probably will get off. But if he does we'll shut down the majority of their other components. Schematically that's all we're worrying about. I guess nobody's realized that yet.

 

[Brooklyndee]

That’s fine. Agree on just winning.

But a lot of you underestimate, when it comes to recruiting, how the recruits see and analyze things. Many of them are pretty intelligent in terms of seeing that our offense, from a passing perspective, is not very attractive like it was at the beginning of the season, as an example.

For me words have value. So when you say the word MANY I'm curious what percentage you think that would break down into? Hahaha. I'm just ****** with you. What I will say is the exact opposite. While many of them do break things down much deeper. They also don't let that factor into things beyond their key group often. Most now seem far more worried about the business side of it and what can the schools do for them and their brands. They don't factor football into it anywhere near as often as pre nil. Suppose because pre nil if you wanted to get took care of before you came to a school and for that reason then you had to go to a school that was about the bag game.

 

[JamesQuall]

Concepcion, one 50 yard run, and a 72 yard reception. Take those away and you end up with 80 yards of offense on 44 plays. Not exactly world beaters.

Yes, they will now rack up 500+ yards on us, but I just don't see where that offense should scare anyone.

Is your team known for being really bad in a key area?

Well don’t worry any longer!

The Miami Hurricanes are in town to make sure you put up record numbers in that area!

Are you GT and dead last in rushing defense? Don’t worry your defense will become the 85 bears and we’ll run for 28 yards on 65 carries!

P.s. for the people that take this seriously, I am only half joking

 

[DTP]

I get it, but outside of the 3rd quarter against UNC defense has hardly been our problem. Since the GT game, It's been a completely bland and ineffective offense with no explosion together with TVD turning into a prolific turnover machine.

If the defense was bad and had been an issue all year then I would be the first one questioning Guidry's decisions but it's not, it hasn't been so I won't. Having said that, I do long for the days when we would have the ability to take the oppositions #1 weapon out of the game. Remember Antrel Rolle shutting down Larry Fitzgerald of Pitt back in 2003? Fitz was such a stud that year and was cruising for the Belitnikoff Award and Rolle just locked him down like a boss!

Even in the GT and UNC game, they moved the ball really well. It was just the back breaking turnovers that cost them. The Clemson gameplan, understandably was milquetoast but I have no idea what the **** happened against Virginia. They went from 453 and 482 yards against GT and UNC to 276 against UVA. The stupid turnovers ****ed me off but that seemed fixable. The total dud of an offensive game against Virginia really scares me though. It's one thing to dominate but shoot yourself in the foot. Completely struggling is a whole different story.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

Even in the GT and UNC game, they moved the ball really well. It was just the back breaking turnovers that cost them. The Clemson gameplan, understandably was milquetoast but I have no idea what the **** happened against Virginia. They went from 453 and 482 yards against GT and UNC to 276 against UVA. The stupid turnovers ****ed me off but that seemed fixable. The total dud of an offensive game against Virginia really scares me though. It's one thing to dominate but shoot yourself in the foot. Completely struggling is a whole different story.

This. The UVA game was miles more disappointing to me, offensively, than any of the others. Everything was in slow motion, our quarterback looks lost and indecisive, the backs looked exceptionally average (except for the Allen hurdle of course, after which he immediately gets hurt), the scheme was stagnant and predictable. The only thing that I enjoyed was the pass protection, which overall this season has been beyond my wildest expectations. The kids up front deserve all the props in the world for how they've protected the QB this season. We are now 10th in the country in sacks allowed.....7 in 7 games vs FBS opponents, which is absolutely mind-boggling when you consider our QB can't move.

But back to the offense, I guess I'll give them a pass because as you said, even in the games we didn't score a lot of points, the offense moved the ball pretty well we just shot our ****s off with mistakes. But UVA, we shot our ****s off while looking almost bored on offense. Unacceptable, but we won the game. That **** can't happen again. Dawson needs to get some creativity back in this offense, even if that means running Jacurri out there on some 2nd and 3rd and shorts if nothing else but to make NC State have to account for the QB being somewhere besides directly in the middle of the pocket.

 

[hurricaneman]

Even in the GT and UNC game, they moved the ball really well. It was just the back breaking turnovers that cost them. The Clemson gameplan, understandably was milquetoast but I have no idea what the **** happened against Virginia. They went from 453 and 482 yards against GT and UNC to 276 against UVA. The stupid turnovers ****ed me off but that seemed fixable. The total dud of an offensive game against Virginia really scares me though. It's one thing to dominate but shoot yourself in the foot. Completely struggling is a whole different story.

Agreed.

You go look at a guy like Penix:
Arizona St - 275 yards, 27/42 64%, 0 TD and 2 INT

Caleb Williams:
Arizona - 219 yards, 14/25 56%, 1 TD
Notre Dame - 199 yards, 23/37 62%, 1 TD 3 INT

These guys have bad games. And everything up to UVA was within the range of my expectations of him. If he had come out against UVA and gone for 300 with 3 TDs he's still well within my expectations of him for the season. But that is a scary game to have.

 

[PIPO]

For me words have value. So when you say the word MANY I'm curious what percentage you think that would break down into? Hahaha. I'm just ****** with you. What I will say is the exact opposite. While many of them do break things down much deeper. They also don't let that factor into things beyond their key group often. Most now seem far more worried about the business side of it and what can the schools do for them and their brands. They don't factor football into it anywhere near as often as pre nil. Suppose because pre nil if you wanted to get took care of before you came to a school and for that reason then you had to go to a school that was about the bag game.

When Dee asks a rhetorical question:

Me:

 

[F-MarioCristobal]

My concern is fatigue.
Both mental and physical. The past 2 games were taxing on both.

I wonder how they’re approaching practice this week.

Plus travel fatigue, away game nerves, cold night game weather, and having so many night games now. Luckily UVA was earlier.. a lot of guys start treatment and recovery in the evening same day Vs night games you lose half a day. Makes a difference.

Also the defense has been on the field for so many plays the last several weeks. Really need the offense to carry us and allow them to dial it back a little bit. Especially before FSU. If not, they’re gonna break at some point due to beat down and exhaustion.

 

[Rellyrell]

They’re trash.

A good team goes in there and wins by double digits. Like ND and Duke did.

Indeed; they have a **** poor offensive ranking

 

[Warrior808]

Plus travel fatigue, away game nerves, cold night game weather, and having so many night games now. Luckily UVA was earlier.. a lot of guys start treatment and recovery in the evening same day Vs night games you lose half a day. Makes a difference.

Also the defense has been on the field for so many plays the last several weeks. Really need the offense to carry us and allow them to dial it back a little bit. Especially before FSU. If not, they’re gonna break at some point due to beat down and exhaustion.

A blowout win would do wonders right about now. On a lot of levels