Name that Defense

[FullyERicht]

Do you want AQM who is heavier than Mercilus and Cushing and has less lateral quickness ever dropping into coverage? Is Mike Pinckney a guy you want to give that responsibility to? Is Zack McCloud who played 4-3 inside LB in high school the right fit for a 3-4 rush end? If Miami could pick and choose the best players in the country to fit that defense and just wait for their time in the draft to make their selection I'd be all in.

The best 3-4 defenses in the country don't have a south Florida front 7 player within hundred of miles of them but we're crazy for bringing up the square peg round hole theory.

Pruitt tried it at FSU. It was an absolute failure and scrapped it early in their 2013 season.

The Florida Gators have been running a 3-4 for a while now???

They're a 4-3 and have been under multiple coordinators. Strong dabbled with some 3-3-5 for one season.

LOLOL jesus you must have an IQ under 30. Seriously, did you graduate HS? Muschamp's defense is the Saban defense.

 

[LuCane]

What makes that 3-4 Under look so appealing is our combination of players who can play 0-shade, 3-tech and 5-6. We're ******* stacked! I'm talking best complements in the entire nation.

If you throw them into the right philosophy, make the scheme easy for them to understand, and have the best DL coach in the nation tutor them non-stop...

 

[BWCD]

Do you want AQM who is heavier than Mercilus and Cushing and has less lateral quickness ever dropping into coverage? Is Mike Pinckney a guy you want to give that responsibility to? Is Zack McCloud who played 4-3 inside LB in high school the right fit for a 3-4 rush end? If Miami could pick and choose the best players in the country to fit that defense and just wait for their time in the draft to make their selection I'd be all in.

The best 3-4 defenses in the country don't have a south Florida front 7 player within hundred of miles of them but we're crazy for bringing up the square peg round hole theory.

Pruitt tried it at FSU. It was an absolute failure and scrapped it early in their 2013 season.

The Florida Gators have been running a 3-4 for a while now???

And the guys they've brought in are naturally bigger DL. Some are from Central/Northern FL, some are from OOS...not too many have been from SFL.

If the cry is for us to recruit more in SFL, and "all of the talent we need is in SFL", then why try to take fast/smaller DL that are abundant down here, and try to make those smaller DL play as 3 down linemen? And then when you panic (as Golden did) and say "wait, these guys are too small...let's make them gain 30 lbs". Then your quickness/speed advantage goes away. Then you wonder why these explosive DL aren't explosive anymore...odd, isn't it?

Why not put 4 of them up there, and let them keep their natural size/abilities as they get naturally stronger/more explosive in the weight room? Play to their strengths instead of trying to make them fit a particular system because it works in Wisconsin, where cheese-eating cornfed white boy NT's are standing on every ******* corner?

 

[fincane]

Do you want AQM who is heavier than Mercilus and Cushing and has less lateral quickness ever dropping into coverage? Is Mike Pinckney a guy you want to give that responsibility to? Is Zack McCloud who played 4-3 inside LB in high school the right fit for a 3-4 rush end? If Miami could pick and choose the best players in the country to fit that defense and just wait for their time in the draft to make their selection I'd be all in.

The best 3-4 defenses in the country don't have a south Florida front 7 player within hundred of miles of them but we're crazy for bringing up the square peg round hole theory.

Pruitt tried it at FSU. It was an absolute failure and scrapped it early in their 2013 season.

The Florida Gators have been running a 3-4 for a while now???

They're a 4-3 and have been under multiple coordinators. Strong dabbled with some 3-3-5 for one season.

LOLOL jesus you must have an IQ under 30. Seriously, did you graduate HS? Muschamp's defense is the Saban defense.

Keep being an ******* if you like

Muschamp Defenses Like to Attack - Florida - Scout

Muschamp is from the Nick Saban coaching tree, and he has a similar defensive philosophy. The main difference is that Muschamp prefers to run a 4-3 defense, compared to the 3-4 that Saban and defensive coordinator Kirby Smart use at Alabama. The Longhorns used a 3-4 in recent years because of a shortage of defensive tackles, but the scheme Muschamp will use in Gainesville is mostly a 4-3 with the 3-4 used in some situations.

Take issue with this writer and others who have labeled his defense a 4-3.

 

[sstcane]

Do you want AQM who is heavier than Mercilus and Cushing and has less lateral quickness ever dropping into coverage? Is Mike Pinckney a guy you want to give that responsibility to? Is Zack McCloud who played 4-3 inside LB in high school the right fit for a 3-4 rush end? If Miami could pick and choose the best players in the country to fit that defense and just wait for their time in the draft to make their selection I'd be all in.

The best 3-4 defenses in the country don't have a south Florida front 7 player within hundred of miles of them but we're crazy for bringing up the square peg round hole theory.

Pruitt tried it at FSU. It was an absolute failure and scrapped it early in their 2013 season.

The Florida Gators have been running a 3-4 for a while now???

They're a 4-3 and have been under multiple coordinators. Strong dabbled with some 3-3-5 for one season.

DJ Durkin and Geoff Collins both run 3-4 D. They have 3 linemen with hands on the ground. The Jack Linebacker is more of a pass rusher. That's where AQM plays. The Sam would be Darrion Owens who can rush, but has more coverage responsibilities.

They play Nickel with 4 linemen against spread O, or on passing situations. I have a lot of his defensive stuff.

 

[Dynasty]

Since we have so many fans on here muddying the waters about 3-4 versus 4-3, and still somehow don't understand that the philosophy is what matters, not the number of DL vs LBs. So I'm going to attach several pictures and explain them.

This is a 3-4, single gap under front:

From L to R you have an OLB for the edge, a DL for the C gap, a DL for the A gap, a DL for the B gap, and an edge rusher standing up

This is a 4-3, single gap front:

From L to R you have an OLB for the edge, a DL for the C gap, a DL for the A, a DL for the B gap, and an edge rusher hand in the dirt.

B/C both are single gap system, the only difference between them is that the right side edge rusher is putting his hand in the dirt for the Seahawks. THAT IS IT. Zero else is different.

Now, if it is exactly the same, why does that one special guy standup in the 3-4? The reason is b/c when you are blitzing, particularly zone blitzing, it is much easier for that guy drop into coverage from a standup position than it is with his hand down. It also serves to provide uncertainty for the OL as to who exactly the fourth and 5th rushers will be. THAT IS IT.

The key is the shaded (DTs) front. The 3-4 under is basically an inverse 4-3 under. That said, in the second vid, the WDT isn't playing a 3tech, so I don't think both systems are the same. Just based on alignment, the Bears appear to be running a true 3-4 under front. Where as the 'hawks most likely are running some form of combo 4-3 under front.

 

[FullyERicht]

Do you want AQM who is heavier than Mercilus and Cushing and has less lateral quickness ever dropping into coverage? Is Mike Pinckney a guy you want to give that responsibility to? Is Zack McCloud who played 4-3 inside LB in high school the right fit for a 3-4 rush end? If Miami could pick and choose the best players in the country to fit that defense and just wait for their time in the draft to make their selection I'd be all in.

The best 3-4 defenses in the country don't have a south Florida front 7 player within hundred of miles of them but we're crazy for bringing up the square peg round hole theory.

Pruitt tried it at FSU. It was an absolute failure and scrapped it early in their 2013 season.

The Florida Gators have been running a 3-4 for a while now???

And the guys they've brought in are naturally bigger DL. Some are from Central/Northern FL, some are from OOS...not too many have been from SFL.

If the cry is for us to recruit more in SFL, and "all of the talent we need is in SFL", then why try to take fast/smaller DL that are abundant down here, and try to make those smaller DL play as 3 down linemen? And then when you panic (as Golden did) and say "wait, these guys are too small...let's make them gain 30 lbs". Then your quickness/speed advantage goes away. Then you wonder why these explosive DL aren't explosive anymore...odd, isn't it?

Why not put 4 of them up there, and let them keep their natural size/abilities as they get naturally stronger/more explosive in the weight room? Play to their strengths instead of trying to make them fit a particular system because it works in Wisconsin, where cheese-eating cornfed white boy NT's are standing on every ******* corner?

Except you don't need players any bigger than you would running a 4-3.

 

[FullyERicht]

Since we have so many fans on here muddying the waters about 3-4 versus 4-3, and still somehow don't understand that the philosophy is what matters, not the number of DL vs LBs. So I'm going to attach several pictures and explain them.

This is a 3-4, single gap under front:

From L to R you have an OLB for the edge, a DL for the C gap, a DL for the A gap, a DL for the B gap, and an edge rusher standing up

This is a 4-3, single gap front:

From L to R you have an OLB for the edge, a DL for the C gap, a DL for the A, a DL for the B gap, and an edge rusher hand in the dirt.

B/C both are single gap system, the only difference between them is that the right side edge rusher is putting his hand in the dirt for the Seahawks. THAT IS IT. Zero else is different.

Now, if it is exactly the same, why does that one special guy standup in the 3-4? The reason is b/c when you are blitzing, particularly zone blitzing, it is much easier for that guy drop into coverage from a standup position than it is with his hand down. It also serves to provide uncertainty for the OL as to who exactly the fourth and 5th rushers will be. THAT IS IT.

The key is the shaded (DTs) front. The 3-4 under is basically an inverse 4-3 under. That said, in the second vid, the WDT isn't playing a 3tech, so I don't think both systems are the same. Just based on alignment, the Bears appear to be running a true 3-4 under front. Where as the 'hawks most likely are running some form of combo 4-3 under front.

WTF are you taking about. First of all it's the Texans, second of all it is the exact same front. You have a 5, 1, and 3.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

First off, we don't know what that defense is because it's a pre-snap pic.

Secondly, coverage determines your front, not the way you align your DLmen & LBs.

Third, that's not even remotely close to being a 7-Tech, that's a Tight-9 alignment...a 7-Tech is inside shade of the TE, and they usually spill.

4th, OP is a DUM@$$!!!

 

[fincane]

Do you want AQM who is heavier than Mercilus and Cushing and has less lateral quickness ever dropping into coverage? Is Mike Pinckney a guy you want to give that responsibility to? Is Zack McCloud who played 4-3 inside LB in high school the right fit for a 3-4 rush end? If Miami could pick and choose the best players in the country to fit that defense and just wait for their time in the draft to make their selection I'd be all in.

The best 3-4 defenses in the country don't have a south Florida front 7 player within hundred of miles of them but we're crazy for bringing up the square peg round hole theory.

Pruitt tried it at FSU. It was an absolute failure and scrapped it early in their 2013 season.

The Florida Gators have been running a 3-4 for a while now???

They're a 4-3 and have been under multiple coordinators. Strong dabbled with some 3-3-5 for one season.

DJ Durkin and Geoff Collins both run 3-4 D. They have 3 linemen with hands on the ground. The Jack Linebacker is more of a pass rusher. That's where AQM plays. The Sam would be Darrion Owens who can rush, but has more coverage responsibilities.

They play Nickel with 4 linemen against spread O, or on passing situations. I have a lot of his defensive stuff.

Every time I see Geoff Collins I see 4-3 listed. And aggressive 4-3 with an emphasis on size.

 

[BWCD]

Fincane Wins

Agreed. Dude absolutely nailed the argument about our personnel just not fitting a 3-4, no matter what the "philosophy" is.

You know why 3-4 systems work? Big space-eating NT's and larger physical ILB's. We simply DO NOT have those readily available to us every year in SFL, or FL in general. If you can't get those pieces consistently, then your 3-4 system won't prosper--one-gap/two-gap/blue-gap/red-gap....doesn't ******* matter.

This couldnt be further from the truth why do people insist on saying things that have been discussed one hundred times.

A single gap 3-4 like the one Aranda and Orlando use DONT NEED SPACE EATING NTS AND LARGE ILBS.

How many ******* TIMES does it need to be said to you morons?

Then how come Aranda starts a NT that goes 296, and his backups BOTH go 330+?

And how come 3 of his starting LB's go 246, 244, and 238?

Sean Spence would have been fvcked for PT in Aranda's system.

And Orlando's guys are undersized because that's who Houston HAS to recruit. They're picking off of the leftovers from the other big Texas schools, being an AAC squad. To Orlando's credit, he coaches the **** out of his system and makes it work. He's a guy with a 3-4 background I wouldn't mind having, because his personnel looks more like what SFL has to offer in the way of recruits. He's also shown some 4-2-5 looks against F$U today, and for a few other games this year I've seen them play...shows me he's adaptable.

You keep claiming it's not true, but the facts say otherwise. So, you can keep repeating it as many times as you want to say it to us "morons". Those 1-gap 3-4 systems may not "need" those big NT's and ILB's, but that kind of personnel certainly makes it work better.

Ask Ray Lewis how important guys like Haloti Ngata and Tony Siragusa were to his career's success as an ILB. And how much bigger did Ray get from college (playing in a 4-3) to the pros (playing in a 3-4)? Why did he do that? Was it just going to the pros, or was it that he took more beatings from interior OL due to having 1 NT as opposed to 2 DT's in front of him???

 

[jerzeycane]

Do you want AQM who is heavier than Mercilus and Cushing and has less lateral quickness ever dropping into coverage? Is Mike Pinckney a guy you want to give that responsibility to? Is Zack McCloud who played 4-3 inside LB in high school the right fit for a 3-4 rush end? If Miami could pick and choose the best players in the country to fit that defense and just wait for their time in the draft to make their selection I'd be all in.

The best 3-4 defenses in the country don't have a south Florida front 7 player within hundred of miles of them but we're crazy for bringing up the square peg round hole theory.

Pruitt tried it at FSU. It was an absolute failure and scrapped it early in their 2013 season.

The Florida Gators have been running a 3-4 for a while now???

And the guys they've brought in are naturally bigger DL. Some are from Central/Northern FL, some are from OOS...not too many have been from SFL.

If the cry is for us to recruit more in SFL, and "all of the talent we need is in SFL", then why try to take fast/smaller DL that are abundant down here, and try to make those smaller DL play as 3 down linemen? And then when you panic (as Golden did) and say "wait, these guys are too small...let's make them gain 30 lbs". Then your quickness/speed advantage goes away. Then you wonder why these explosive DL aren't explosive anymore...odd, isn't it?

Why not put 4 of them up there, and let them keep their natural size/abilities as they get naturally stronger/more explosive in the weight room? Play to their strengths instead of trying to make them fit a particular system because it works in Wisconsin, where cheese-eating cornfed white boy NT's are standing on every ******* corner?

Except you don't need players any bigger than you would running a 4-3.

YES YOU DO!!!! YOU NEED BIG PLAYERS!!!!! YOU NEED HUGE PLAYERS!!!! FROG STANCE!!!!! TOO MUCH THINKING!!!!! FOUR THREE!!!!!
FOUR THREE!!!!! THREE FOUR NO!!!!!!

 

[BWCD]

Do you want AQM who is heavier than Mercilus and Cushing and has less lateral quickness ever dropping into coverage? Is Mike Pinckney a guy you want to give that responsibility to? Is Zack McCloud who played 4-3 inside LB in high school the right fit for a 3-4 rush end? If Miami could pick and choose the best players in the country to fit that defense and just wait for their time in the draft to make their selection I'd be all in.

The best 3-4 defenses in the country don't have a south Florida front 7 player within hundred of miles of them but we're crazy for bringing up the square peg round hole theory.

Pruitt tried it at FSU. It was an absolute failure and scrapped it early in their 2013 season.

The Florida Gators have been running a 3-4 for a while now???

And the guys they've brought in are naturally bigger DL. Some are from Central/Northern FL, some are from OOS...not too many have been from SFL.

If the cry is for us to recruit more in SFL, and "all of the talent we need is in SFL", then why try to take fast/smaller DL that are abundant down here, and try to make those smaller DL play as 3 down linemen? And then when you panic (as Golden did) and say "wait, these guys are too small...let's make them gain 30 lbs". Then your quickness/speed advantage goes away. Then you wonder why these explosive DL aren't explosive anymore...odd, isn't it?

Why not put 4 of them up there, and let them keep their natural size/abilities as they get naturally stronger/more explosive in the weight room? Play to their strengths instead of trying to make them fit a particular system because it works in Wisconsin, where cheese-eating cornfed white boy NT's are standing on every ******* corner?

Except you don't need players any bigger than you would running a 4-3.

You don't "need" it, but Wisconsin's personnel says that they're wanting those bigger guys to be able to run it more effectively.

Face it...3-4 runs better with bulk up front. It's the nature of the system, always has been. For you to say otherwise and freak out about it is just silly.

 

[FullyERicht]

Fincane Wins

Agreed. Dude absolutely nailed the argument about our personnel just not fitting a 3-4, no matter what the "philosophy" is.

You know why 3-4 systems work? Big space-eating NT's and larger physical ILB's. We simply DO NOT have those readily available to us every year in SFL, or FL in general. If you can't get those pieces consistently, then your 3-4 system won't prosper--one-gap/two-gap/blue-gap/red-gap....doesn't ******* matter.

This couldnt be further from the truth why do people insist on saying things that have been discussed one hundred times.

A single gap 3-4 like the one Aranda and Orlando use DONT NEED SPACE EATING NTS AND LARGE ILBS.

How many ******* TIMES does it need to be said to you morons?

Then how come Aranda starts a NT that goes 296, and his backups BOTH go 330+?

And how come 3 of his starting LB's go 246, 244, and 238?

Sean Spence would have been fvcked for PT in Aranda's system.

And Orlando's guys are undersized because that's who Houston HAS to recruit. They're picking off of the leftovers from the other big Texas schools, being an AAC squad. To Orlando's credit, he coaches the **** out of his system and makes it work. He's a guy with a 3-4 background I wouldn't mind having, because his personnel looks more like what SFL has to offer in the way of recruits. He's also shown some 4-2-5 looks against F$U today, and for a few other games this year I've seen them play...shows me he's adaptable.

You keep claiming it's not true, but the facts say otherwise. So, you can keep repeating it as many times as you want to say it to us "morons". Those 1-gap 3-4 systems may not "need" those big NT's and ILB's, but that kind of personnel certainly makes it work better.

Ask Ray Lewis how important guys like Haloti Ngata and Tony Siragusa were to his career's success as an ILB. And how much bigger did Ray get from college (playing in a 4-3) to the pros (playing in a 3-4)? Why did he do that? Was it just going to the pros, or was it that he took more beatings from interior OL due to having 1 NT as opposed to 2 DT's in front of him???

296 is small for a NT. Are you aware of that???? 296 is a 4-3 DT size. Read more, porst less.

Second of all Ray Lewis played in the 4-3 when Goose was there. Again, clueless you are.

Third, Arandas LBs are all under 250, and one of his OLBs is 220, which you conveniently dont mention.

 

[LuCane]

Wade Phillips ran his 3-4 with a baby sized (relatively) Jay Ratliff. His biggest advantages? Leverage and speed. He weighed 285 pounds and played 0-tech (shaded).

We have guys like Norton and Jenkins who could disrupt the **** out of an offense from the same position (and are actually bigger than Ratliff was in the NFL).

I'd even go so far as to ask both of them to slim down and optimize their get off.

 

[Dynasty]

Since we have so many fans on here muddying the waters about 3-4 versus 4-3, and still somehow don't understand that the philosophy is what matters, not the number of DL vs LBs. So I'm going to attach several pictures and explain them.

This is a 3-4, single gap under front:

From L to R you have an OLB for the edge, a DL for the C gap, a DL for the A gap, a DL for the B gap, and an edge rusher standing up

This is a 4-3, single gap front:

From L to R you have an OLB for the edge, a DL for the C gap, a DL for the A, a DL for the B gap, and an edge rusher hand in the dirt.

B/C both are single gap system, the only difference between them is that the right side edge rusher is putting his hand in the dirt for the Seahawks. THAT IS IT. Zero else is different.

Now, if it is exactly the same, why does that one special guy standup in the 3-4? The reason is b/c when you are blitzing, particularly zone blitzing, it is much easier for that guy drop into coverage from a standup position than it is with his hand down. It also serves to provide uncertainty for the OL as to who exactly the fourth and 5th rushers will be. THAT IS IT.

The key is the shaded (DTs) front. The 3-4 under is basically an inverse 4-3 under. That said, in the second vid, the WDT isn't playing a 3tech, so I don't think both systems are the same. Just based on alignment, the Bears appear to be running a true 3-4 under front. Where as the 'hawks most likely are running some form of combo 4-3 under front.

WTF are you taking about. First of all it's the Texans, second of all it is the exact same front. You have a 5, 1, and 3.

Texans, Bears whatever. In the first still clip, the WDT is aligned in a 3 tech, correct? In the second vid, the weakside DT is aligned in what technique? It doesn't look like a 3 to me.

 

[FullyERicht]

Wade Phillips ran his 3-4 with a baby sized (relatively) Jay Ratliff. His biggest advantages? Leverage and speed. He weighed 285 pounds and played 0-tech (shaded).

We have guys like Norton and Jenkins who could disrupt the **** out of an offense from the same position (and are actually bigger than Ratliff was in the NFL).

I'd even go so far as to ask both of them to slim down and optimize their get off.

Facts aren't allowed here Lu. IQ tests please.

 

[FullyERicht]

Since we have so many fans on here muddying the waters about 3-4 versus 4-3, and still somehow don't understand that the philosophy is what matters, not the number of DL vs LBs. So I'm going to attach several pictures and explain them.

This is a 3-4, single gap under front:

From L to R you have an OLB for the edge, a DL for the C gap, a DL for the A gap, a DL for the B gap, and an edge rusher standing up

This is a 4-3, single gap front:

From L to R you have an OLB for the edge, a DL for the C gap, a DL for the A, a DL for the B gap, and an edge rusher hand in the dirt.

B/C both are single gap system, the only difference between them is that the right side edge rusher is putting his hand in the dirt for the Seahawks. THAT IS IT. Zero else is different.

Now, if it is exactly the same, why does that one special guy standup in the 3-4? The reason is b/c when you are blitzing, particularly zone blitzing, it is much easier for that guy drop into coverage from a standup position than it is with his hand down. It also serves to provide uncertainty for the OL as to who exactly the fourth and 5th rushers will be. THAT IS IT.

The key is the shaded (DTs) front. The 3-4 under is basically an inverse 4-3 under. That said, in the second vid, the WDT isn't playing a 3tech, so I don't think both systems are the same. Just based on alignment, the Bears appear to be running a true 3-4 under front. Where as the 'hawks most likely are running some form of combo 4-3 under front.

WTF are you taking about. First of all it's the Texans, second of all it is the exact same front. You have a 5, 1, and 3.

Texans, Bears whatever. In the first still clip, the WDT is aligned in a 3 tech, correct? In the second vid, the weakside DT is aligned in what technique? It doesn't look like a 3 to me.

Bc he is 2 gapping. Like in the first pic where it clearly says "can 2 gap". A 4-3 team 2 gapping while the 3-4 doesnt.

 

[Canesfan43]

Do you want AQM who is heavier than Mercilus and Cushing and has less lateral quickness ever dropping into coverage? Is Mike Pinckney a guy you want to give that responsibility to? Is Zack McCloud who played 4-3 inside LB in high school the right fit for a 3-4 rush end? If Miami could pick and choose the best players in the country to fit that defense and just wait for their time in the draft to make their selection I'd be all in.

The best 3-4 defenses in the country don't have a south Florida front 7 player within hundred of miles of them but we're crazy for bringing up the square peg round hole theory.

Pruitt tried it at FSU. It was an absolute failure and scrapped it early in their 2013 season.

The Florida Gators have been running a 3-4 for a while now???

And the guys they've brought in are naturally bigger DL. Some are from Central/Northern FL, some are from OOS...not too many have been from SFL.

If the cry is for us to recruit more in SFL, and "all of the talent we need is in SFL", then why try to take fast/smaller DL that are abundant down here, and try to make those smaller DL play as 3 down linemen? And then when you panic (as Golden did) and say "wait, these guys are too small...let's make them gain 30 lbs". Then your quickness/speed advantage goes away. Then you wonder why these explosive DL aren't explosive anymore...odd, isn't it?

Why not put 4 of them up there, and let them keep their natural size/abilities as they get naturally stronger/more explosive in the weight room? Play to their strengths instead of trying to make them fit a particular system because it works in Wisconsin, where cheese-eating cornfed white boy NT's are standing on every ******* corner?

Except you don't need players any bigger than you would running a 4-3.

YES YOU DO!!!! YOU NEED BIG PLAYERS!!!!! YOU NEED HUGE PLAYERS!!!! FROG STANCE!!!!! TOO MUCH THINKING!!!!! FOUR THREE!!!!!
FOUR THREE!!!!! THREE FOUR NO!!!!!!

WTF is this

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

We have guys like Norton and Jenkins who could disrupt the **** out of an offense from the same position (and are actually bigger than Ratliff was in the NFL).

Jenkins MAYBE...Norton I don't see it...Gerald Willis yes.