Name that Defense

[FullyERicht]

Since we have so many fans on here muddying the waters about 3-4 versus 4-3, and still somehow don't understand that the philosophy is what matters, not the number of DL vs LBs. So I'm going to attach several pictures and explain them.

This is a 3-4, single gap under front:

From L to R you have an OLB for the edge, a DL for the C gap, a DL for the A gap, a DL for the B gap, and an edge rusher standing up

This is a 4-3, single gap front:

From L to R you have an OLB for the edge, a DL for the C gap, a DL for the A, a DL for the B gap, and an edge rusher hand in the dirt.

B/C both are single gap system, the only difference between them is that the right side edge rusher is putting his hand in the dirt for the Seahawks. THAT IS IT. Zero else is different.

Now, if it is exactly the same, why does that one special guy standup in the 3-4? The reason is b/c when you are blitzing, particularly zone blitzing, it is much easier for that guy drop into coverage from a standup position than it is with his hand down. It also serves to provide uncertainty for the OL as to who exactly the fourth and 5th rushers will be. THAT IS IT.

 

[Artist Formerly Known As]

Everyone understands the philosophy is different between Aranda and Doritos 3-4.

1. Those are NFL teams playing with a whole different level of athlete
2. How many SFL pass rushers play in a 3-4 or asked to go into coverage on a consistent basis? I get the exotic look and disguising who the rushers are in a 3-4, but I don't really care to have our best pass rushers in coverage ever. With the type of pass rushers you can get in SFL, exotic blitzing looks shouldn't be all that necessary, but just another tool you can use occasionally when necessary.

I'm not completely against a 3-4, but why employ something that isn't natural for your talent base?

 

[blackvern]

Everyone understands the philosophy is different between Aranda and Doritos 3-4.

1. Those are NFL teams playing with a whole different level of athlete
2. How many SFL pass rushers play in a 3-4 or asked to go into coverage on a consistent basis? I get the exotic look and disguising who the rushers are in a 3-4, but I don't really care to have our best pass rushers in coverage ever. With the type of pass rushers you can get in SFL, exotic blitzing looks shouldn't be all that necessary, but just another tool you can use occasionally when necessary.

I'm not completely against a 3-4, but why employ something that isn't natural for your talent base?

This guy doesnt get it

 

[FullyERicht]

Everyone understands the philosophy is different between Aranda and Doritos 3-4.

1. Those are NFL teams playing with a whole different level of athlete
2. How many SFL pass rushers play in a 3-4 or asked to go into coverage on a consistent basis? I get the exotic look and disguising who the rushers are in a 3-4, but I don't really care to have our best pass rushers in coverage ever. With the type of pass rushers you can get in SFL, exotic blitzing looks shouldn't be all that necessary, but just another tool you can use occasionally when necessary.

I'm not completely against a 3-4, but why employ something that isn't natural for your talent base?

The NFL has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. NOTHING. College teams play both of these systems.

Miami is an area of speed and competitive players. You put a bunch of fast guys on the field whether it is 4-3 or 3-4 and you will have success. For fvcks sake there is NO DIFFERENCE.

 

[KANE]

Everyone understands the philosophy is different between Aranda and Doritos 3-4.

1. Those are NFL teams playing with a whole different level of athlete
2. How many SFL pass rushers play in a 3-4 or asked to go into coverage on a consistent basis? I get the exotic look and disguising who the rushers are in a 3-4, but I don't really care to have our best pass rushers in coverage ever. With the type of pass rushers you can get in SFL, exotic blitzing looks shouldn't be all that necessary, but just another tool you can use occasionally when necessary.

I'm not completely against a 3-4, but why employ something that isn't natural for your talent base?

The NFL has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. NOTHING. College teams play both of these systems.

Miami is an area of speed and competitive players. You put a bunch of fast guys on the field whether it is 4-3 or 3-4 and you will have success. For fvcks sake there is NO DIFFERENCE.

That ^^^

 

[fincane]

Do you want AQM who is heavier than Mercilus and Cushing and has less lateral quickness ever dropping into coverage? Is Mike Pinckney a guy you want to give that responsibility to? Is Zack McCloud who played 4-3 inside LB in high school the right fit for a 3-4 rush end? If Miami could pick and choose the best players in the country to fit that defense and just wait for their time in the draft to make their selection I'd be all in.

The best 3-4 defenses in the country don't have a south Florida front 7 player within hundred of miles of them but we're crazy for bringing up the square peg round hole theory.

Pruitt tried it at FSU. It was an absolute failure and scrapped it early in their 2013 season.

 

[Artist Formerly Known As]

Everyone understands the philosophy is different between Aranda and Doritos 3-4.

1. Those are NFL teams playing with a whole different level of athlete
2. How many SFL pass rushers play in a 3-4 or asked to go into coverage on a consistent basis? I get the exotic look and disguising who the rushers are in a 3-4, but I don't really care to have our best pass rushers in coverage ever. With the type of pass rushers you can get in SFL, exotic blitzing looks shouldn't be all that necessary, but just another tool you can use occasionally when necessary.

I'm not completely against a 3-4, but why employ something that isn't natural for your talent base?

The NFL has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. NOTHING. College teams play both of these systems.

Miami is an area of speed and competitive players. You put a bunch of fast guys on the field whether it is 4-3 or 3-4 and you will have success. For fvcks sake there is NO DIFFERENCE.

There's basically two types of OLBs in a 3-4 that I've seen, your OLB who is basically a DE with their hand up (like you referenced) in your Demarcus Wares, etc. and there's the Clay Matthews, Von Millers who pass rush, move around and are put into coverage (which are a **** of a lot harder to find). I haven't watched enough Wisconsin to know how much Aranda drops his OLBs into coverage, but I'd prefer a defense that requires the former rather than the latter. It's easier to install a 3-4 in the NFL than in college cuz you can identify so many more guys who are good enough athletes to cover and rush while also having the experience of doing both.

I'll repeat the question how many SFL HS teams employ a 3-4 and ask pass rushers to cover consistently?

And no, just putting fast and competitive players on the field doesn't work if you're asking them to do jobs they don't know how to do.

 

[FullyERicht]

Do you want AQM who is heavier than Mercilus and Cushing and has less lateral quickness ever dropping into coverage? Is Mike Pinckney a guy you want to give that responsibility to? Is Zack McCloud who played 4-3 inside LB in high school the right fit for a 3-4 rush end? If Miami could pick and choose the best players in the country to fit that defense and just wait for their time in the draft to make their selection I'd be all in.

The best 3-4 defenses in the country don't have a south Florida front 7 player within hundred of miles of them but we're crazy for bringing up the square peg round hole theory.

Pruitt tried it at FSU. It was absolute failure and scrapped early in their 2013 season.

If you run Aranda's system AQM is your weakside DE.

 

[fincane]

Do you want AQM who is heavier than Mercilus and Cushing and has less lateral quickness ever dropping into coverage? Is Mike Pinckney a guy you want to give that responsibility to? Is Zack McCloud who played 4-3 inside LB in high school the right fit for a 3-4 rush end? If Miami could pick and choose the best players in the country to fit that defense and just wait for their time in the draft to make their selection I'd be all in.

The best 3-4 defenses in the country don't have a south Florida front 7 player within hundred of miles of them but we're crazy for bringing up the square peg round hole theory.

Pruitt tried it at FSU. It was absolute failure and scrapped early in their 2013 season.

If you run Aranda's system AQM is your weakside DE.

Aranda's current weakside DE has produced 2.5 sacks in two season. 4-star player out of Wisconsin. Why are we fighting Notre Dame and others for an Army All-American if thats what we're asking him to do?

 

[FullyERicht]

Do you want AQM who is heavier than Mercilus and Cushing and has less lateral quickness ever dropping into coverage? Is Mike Pinckney a guy you want to give that responsibility to? Is Zack McCloud who played 4-3 inside LB in high school the right fit for a 3-4 rush end? If Miami could pick and choose the best players in the country to fit that defense and just wait for their time in the draft to make their selection I'd be all in.

The best 3-4 defenses in the country don't have a south Florida front 7 player within hundred of miles of them but we're crazy for bringing up the square peg round hole theory.

Pruitt tried it at FSU. It was absolute failure and scrapped early in their 2013 season.

If you run Aranda's system AQM is your weakside DE.

Aranda's current weakside DE has produced 2.5 sacks in two season. 4-star player out of Wisconsin. Why are we fighting Notre Dame and others for an Army All-American if thats what we're asking him to do?

B/C perhaps we want to have a consistently top 5 defense? You still have never discussed who you prefer to Aranda.

 

[GaCane1213]

We will run multiple fronts....but Im guessing that people will flip out if we are in a 3-4 for a part of a game

 

[fincane]

Do you want AQM who is heavier than Mercilus and Cushing and has less lateral quickness ever dropping into coverage? Is Mike Pinckney a guy you want to give that responsibility to? Is Zack McCloud who played 4-3 inside LB in high school the right fit for a 3-4 rush end? If Miami could pick and choose the best players in the country to fit that defense and just wait for their time in the draft to make their selection I'd be all in.

The best 3-4 defenses in the country don't have a south Florida front 7 player within hundred of miles of them but we're crazy for bringing up the square peg round hole theory.

Pruitt tried it at FSU. It was absolute failure and scrapped early in their 2013 season.

If you run Aranda's system AQM is your weakside DE.

Aranda's current weakside DE has produced 2.5 sacks in two season. 4-star player out of Wisconsin. Why are we fighting Notre Dame and others for an Army All-American if thats what we're asking him to do?

B/C perhaps we want to have a consistently top 5 defense? You still have never discussed who you prefer to Aranda.

Thats your assumption regarding defensive rankings. When you answer why front 7 south Florida players don't go play at the best 3-4 schools in the country since they're all about speed and competitiveness I'll start looking into alternative candidates.

 

[reef1515]

Aranda not coming here thank god.

 

[ProjectMKUltra5]

In one of my football books a coach mentions (I'm paraphrasing) that the formation is about the most irrelevant thing to the whole play, it's simply where the guy stands before anything happens. You don't get to the meat and potatoes of a philosophy til the play actually happens and guys have to do their job

You can literally run the same exact defense out of a 3-4 and 4-3, the only difference is who is standing and who isn't and that doesn't mean anything

 

[blackvern]

Fincane Wins

 

[BWCD]

Fincane Wins

Agreed. Dude absolutely nailed the argument about our personnel just not fitting a 3-4, no matter what the "philosophy" is.

You know why 3-4 systems work? Big space-eating NT's and larger physical ILB's. We simply DO NOT have those readily available to us every year in SFL, or FL in general. If you can't get those pieces consistently, then your 3-4 system won't prosper--one-gap/two-gap/blue-gap/red-gap....doesn't ******* matter.

 

[sstcane]

Do you want AQM who is heavier than Mercilus and Cushing and has less lateral quickness ever dropping into coverage? Is Mike Pinckney a guy you want to give that responsibility to? Is Zack McCloud who played 4-3 inside LB in high school the right fit for a 3-4 rush end? If Miami could pick and choose the best players in the country to fit that defense and just wait for their time in the draft to make their selection I'd be all in.

The best 3-4 defenses in the country don't have a south Florida front 7 player within hundred of miles of them but we're crazy for bringing up the square peg round hole theory.

Pruitt tried it at FSU. It was an absolute failure and scrapped it early in their 2013 season.

The Florida Gators have been running a 3-4 for a while now???

 

[daddacane]

Aranda not coming here thank god.

That's a big 10-4...Alvarez has already stated he'll bump Aranda's paycheck up to where nobody else can afford him...

 

[fincane]

Do you want AQM who is heavier than Mercilus and Cushing and has less lateral quickness ever dropping into coverage? Is Mike Pinckney a guy you want to give that responsibility to? Is Zack McCloud who played 4-3 inside LB in high school the right fit for a 3-4 rush end? If Miami could pick and choose the best players in the country to fit that defense and just wait for their time in the draft to make their selection I'd be all in.

The best 3-4 defenses in the country don't have a south Florida front 7 player within hundred of miles of them but we're crazy for bringing up the square peg round hole theory.

Pruitt tried it at FSU. It was an absolute failure and scrapped it early in their 2013 season.

The Florida Gators have been running a 3-4 for a while now???

They're a 4-3 and have been under multiple coordinators. Strong dabbled with some 3-3-5 for one season.

 

[FullyERicht]

Fincane Wins

Agreed. Dude absolutely nailed the argument about our personnel just not fitting a 3-4, no matter what the "philosophy" is.

You know why 3-4 systems work? Big space-eating NT's and larger physical ILB's. We simply DO NOT have those readily available to us every year in SFL, or FL in general. If you can't get those pieces consistently, then your 3-4 system won't prosper--one-gap/two-gap/blue-gap/red-gap....doesn't ******* matter.

This couldnt be further from the truth why do people insist on saying things that have been discussed one hundred times.

A single gap 3-4 like the one Aranda and Orlando use DONT NEED SPACE EATING NTS AND LARGE ILBS.

How many ******* TIMES does it need to be said to you morons?