Myth Busters: Lack of NFL Talent

Nice try, boss. That’s not how that works, but I applaud the effort.

Cal went 6-7
UL went 9-4

1. How many WRs were drafted from UL & Cal?

How many WRs from the ACC were All Americans?

The more some of ya’ll try ur damnest….nvm, u’re right. I’m winding down my time anyway.
Peace, brother. I think you’re looking for a fight. It’s not the point of my post and I agree with your overall premise.. I was curious how everyone deciphered the information in the context of the argument. I think it’s a bigger testament to the 1 of 1 talent of Ward and actually makes me more optimistic of Dawson. But it makes me more miserable that we can’t win a ****** conference
 
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I've got a theory...

Going back 15 years, these are the QBs for ACC champions.
Five star recruit
First round pick
Both

2010 VT - Tyrod Taylor
2011 Clemson - Tajh Boyd
2012 FSU - EJ Manuel
2013 FSU - Jameis Winston
2014 FSU - Jameis Winston
2015 Clemson - Deshaun Watson
2016 Clemson - Deshaun Watson
2017 Clemson - Kelly Bryant
2018 Clemson - Trevor Lawrence
2019 Clemson - Trevor Lawrence
2020 Clemson - Trevor Lawrence
2021 Pitt - Kenny Pickett
2022 Clemson - DJ Uiagalelei
2023 FSU - Jordan Travis
2024 Clemson - Cade Klubnik

Obviously, some of them didn't deserve to be 5* or go in the first round. However, 13 out of 15 still fall into at leat one of those categories.


Since 2004, we have started:
Kirby Freeman
Kyle Wright
Robert Marve
Jacory Harris
Stephen Morris
Brad Kaaya
Malik Rosier
N'Kosi Perry
Jarren Williams
D'Eriq King
Tyler Van Dyke
Jake Garcia
Jacurri Brown
Emory Williams
Cam Ward

Not only was Kaaya our first, and currently the ONLY, QB drafted since Dorsey in 2003, Kaaya was also our highest drafted QB (31st pick in the 6th round - 215 overall) since Erickson in 1990 (20th pick in the 5th round 131 overall).

Cam will be the ONLY QB we've had drafted before the 5th round since Walsh back in 1989.
Pathetic QB recruiting

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Top 150 picks

Cal - 3
Louisville - 3
Miami - 2
VT - 2
FSU - 2
BC - 2
UNC - 1
UVA - 1
Clemson - 1

The top end talent still isn’t there. We had the best offense in our history yet none of our WRs were picked. How do yall translate this?

I'll translate it like this.

The QB, they love him as evidenced by being the first pick. They think he made them what they were. He elevated their game. None tested particularly well or have crazy physical stature and the league is methodically obsessed with elite numbers to go with freakish size.

I think X is extremely undervalued and will have a good career. He'll be a reliable target for someone, but not put up absurd numbers. You could afford to let him be an UEFA, but I bet everyone who thought about pulling the trigger sweated a bit until the last pick.

I'm not sold on anyone else. Nothing stood out really, but decent to solid mid level conference players.
 
People asked how the **** Al Folden could only win 6 games with 7 or 8 nfl draft picks on the roster (I don’t remember the exact number). Now asking the same question about Mario. How the **** do you miss out on a 12 team playoff when you have the #1 QB in the country and 6 or 7 nfl draft picks, not including UDFAs that were still good enough to get an NFL offer.

How GIF
 
Top 150 picks

Cal - 3
Louisville - 3
Miami - 2
VT - 2
FSU - 2
BC - 2
UNC - 1
UVA - 1
Clemson - 1

The top end talent still isn’t there. We had the best offense in our history yet none of our WRs were picked. How do yall translate this?
I bet if Reatrepo didn't run that injured 40, he would've got drafted in the last 2 rounds.

Horton might get drafted next year.

If our RB1 didn't have to split carries with 3 other guys, he probably would've gone higher.

But only 2 or 3 guys are getting drafted next year.
 
People asked how the **** Al Folden could only win 6 games with 7 or 8 nfl draft picks on the roster (I don’t remember the exact number). Now asking the same question about Mario. How the **** do you miss out on a 12 team playoff when you have the #1 QB in the country and 6 or 7 nfl draft picks, not including UDFAs that were still good enough to get an NFL offer.

How GIF
So negative.... But I see what you mean. How the fook don't you at least make a 12 team playoff.
 
So negative.... But I see what you mean. How the fook don't you at least make a 12 team playoff.

With about 4 games to go, fans were complaining about us being projected as the 4 seed instead of the 3 seed because our path to the national championship would have been easier. I believe we would have potentially been playing in the Orange bowl in one of the projections. It went from that to completely missing a 12 team playoff. Just an epic collapse. In 2017, Miami was decimated by injuries going into the ACC championship game. We had a valid excuse. In 2013 with Golden, we were 7-0 then lost Duke Johnson for the season against FSU. That team lost its heart and soul. We had no significant injuries towards the end of this season. The team just imploded.
 
I bet if Reatrepo didn't run that injured 40, he would've got drafted in the last 2 rounds.

Horton might get drafted next year.

If our RB1 didn't have to split carries with 3 other guys, he probably would've gone higher.

But only 2 or 3 guys are getting drafted next year.
We can win this conference with the right QB
 
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This along w/ other future post are not meant to offend; but, for the next few months I will be resurrecting my series on “Myth Busters” surrounding various narratives used to justify/excuse the mediocrity surrounding The University of Miami circa 2004.

A little something about me: I HATE excuses, b/c
-they attempt to lessen the blame or seek to defend/justify
-(If you pledge any African-American Greek organization): Excuses are tools of incompetence used to build bridges to nowhere and monuments of nothingness.

Even though some excuses may have merit, more often than not it pacifies a status quo. With that being said, let’s dive into Myth Buster #2: We haven’t had ‘The Caliber of Talent.’

It may be true we haven’t had the caliber of talent to compete with the O$Us, Bamas, etc., U might be surprised that couldn’t be further from the truth in The ACC. Currently The []_[] sits at a paltry 95-74 (.562 winning %) in ACC Conference play since 2004.

Whether it’s been Coker, Shannon, Golden, Richt, Diaz, or now Mario there’s been this polarizing divide to justify inexcusable loses to certain programs (I’ll get to this in a moment). It’s Coker’s players fault, no it’s Shannon’s player’s fault! Wait, it’s DEFINITELY Golden’s player’s fault! Richt couldn’t recruit & it’s his player’s fault! No, no, no, IT’S LIPSY DIAZ’S player’s fault!!!!!

The commonality? No matter who’s the coach, no matter the era, they all produced mediocre results b/c apparently, none had enough “talent” & it’s always the predecessor’s fault. So let’s examine this claim, & we’re focusing strictly on the ACC, b/c before we can consider how we compare to others, we must examine how we compare to our current peers.

Did you know:
-Since 2004: The University of Miami has more draft picks than any other school in this conference?
Here are the # of NFL draft picks as of 2024’s draft (pls note, this will not include SMU or Cal since they are new members nor will it include former ACC member Maryland)
1. Miami - 100
T-2. FSU - 96
T-2. Clemson - 96
4. VT -63
5. UNC - 62
6. NCST - 53
T-7. BC - 40*
T-7 UVA - 40
9. WF - 34
T-10. GT - 32
T-10. Pitt - 32*
12. UL - 27*
13. Duke - 12
14. Cuse - 11*

*BC joined the ACC in 2005, Syracuse & Pitt joined in 2013, & UL joined in 2014

OK that’s great intel, but if you have followed any of my post, you know I’m big on the ‘quality’ of NFL prospects a team may have. I’ve posted indisputable evidence that the upper echelons have rosters filled with Day 1 & 2 guys or Rds 1-3. Don’t worry I’ve diagnosed this, as well.

Did you know:
-Since 2004: The University of Miami has produced the 3rd most Top-3 round draft picks in the ACC? Here’s the list as of 2024:
1. FSU - 48
2. Clemson - 45
3. Miami - 37
4. UNC - 25
T-5. BC - 21
T-5. VT - 21
T-5. NCSt - 21
8. UVA - 13
T-9. GT - 11
T-9. UL - 11
11. Pitt - 8
12. WF - 7
13. Cuse - 5
14. Duke - 4

Now let’s address the next elephant in the room, recruiting. This has been a sore, & quite contentious topic. Would it surprise you that The []_[] since 2004 has the 2nd highest avg. recruiting class in the ACC? Would it surprise you that our classes has ranked, on avg., in the Top 15 in the Nation? Here are the rankings:
1. FSU (10th)
2. Miami (13th)
3. Clemson (15th)
4. UNC (25th)
5. VT (32nd)
6. UL (40th)
7. NCSt (42nd)
T-8. Pitt (46th)
T-8. UVA (46th)
10. GT (48th)
11. BC (56th)
T-12. Duke (58th)
T-12. Cuse (58th)
14. WF (65th)

So on paper, we’ve:
-Produced more NFL talent than any ACC team since joining
-Produced the 3rd most quality NFL talent than any ACC team since joining
-Have the 2nd highest avg. recruiting ranking since joining the ACC

So how it that:
•VT has 4 ACC crowns despite being ranked 4th, 5th, & 5th in these same categories
•GT has 1 ACC crown despite being ranked 10th, 9th, & 10th in these same categories
•WF has 1 ACC crown despite being ranked 9th, 12, & 14th in the same categories

While we can’t claim 1?

How are we:
3-3 v. BC
11-9 v. GT
4-3 v. NCSt.
3-2 v. UL
1-1 v. Syracuse
8-12 v. UNC

When on paper, our talent has been far superior?

So the ? is, is the “lack of talent” narrative a fact or a myth to excuse mediocrity? Based upon the information provided, I’ll allow the board to decide.
Coaching ain’t been up to par is what this shows me
 
We haven’t recruited well enough to win with just a NFL Qb .. we just had the #1 player taken and our defense was booty juice
I’m the first to know that, everyone else wants to say we have an “elite recruiter”

But the first position you need locked down is a NFL level QB year in and year out if you want any kind of consistency

Quit recruiting projects at QB every year along with project OL and every other position
 
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ACC Scoreboard (Most Draft Picks in the 2025 NFL Draft):

1. Miami (7)
2. VT (5)
T-3. Cal (4)
T-3. Cuse (4)
T-5. BC (3)
T-5. Clemson (3)
T-5 UL (3)
T-5 Pitt (3)
T-9 FSU (2)
T-9 SMU (2)
T-11GT (2)
T-11UVA (1)
T-11 UNC (1)
T-11 NCSt (1)
T-11 Stanford (1)
T-16 WF (0)
T-16 Duke (0)

Only Miami had a 1st & 2nd Rd player drafted in this yr’s draft.
these are mostly day 3 picks as well. most of these picks will barely have a cup of coffee in the league
 
And you better have a NFL QB every year as well.

The last Canes QB to throw a TD in the NFL?

December 2, 2007: Vinny Testaverde

Elite QBs can cover up massive warts the way Cam Ward did this year


Yeah but “the sun shines on a dog’s *** some days”…except our apparently. WF won with Riley Skinner (as a freshman) who never made an active NFL roster. GT won with Josh Nesbitt converted to safety and a cup of coffee in the league.

We have to stop with the excuses. There have been multiple opportunities to win ACC since we’ve jumped in this god forsaken conference and even in its weakest form we’ve walked away empty handed. We gotta own that and not sugar coat it.
 
People asked how the **** Al Folden could only win 6 games with 7 or 8 nfl draft picks on the roster (I don’t remember the exact number). Now asking the same question about Mario. How the **** do you miss out on a 12 team playoff when you have the #1 QB in the country and 6 or 7 nfl draft picks, not including UDFAs that were still good enough to get an NFL offer.

How GIF

TrumpyCane wants to know how defensive guys went within the first 4 rounds

There’s your answer
 
Yeah but “the sun shines on a dog’s *** some days”…except our apparently. WF won with Riley Skinner (as a freshman) who never made an active NFL roster. GT won with Josh Nesbitt converted to safety and a cup of coffee in the league.

We have to stop with the excuses. There have been multiple opportunities to win ACC since we’ve jumped in this god forsaken conference and even in its weakest form we’ve walked away empty handed. We gotta own that and not sugar coat it.
You got me mixed up if you think I’m here to make excuses about the past
 
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