My rant...

[Coach Macho]

This is the kind of schematic ****ery I'm talking about. (1:46)



3rd and 5. Our DE up top crashes inside, leaving us without an edge rusher to Winston's right. Winston scrambles right for an easy 1st down. Now, if I hadn't seen this already during D'Onofrio's tenure then I would just chalk it up on the players, however I've seen it a million times. This is completely UN-SOUND.

Also notice how Luther Robinson is dropping into a zone and standing right next to Cornelius. They're both covering the same patch of grass together. LOL.

Looks like McCorrd just freelanced to me. I'm sure Coach D's scheme calls for Robinson and Cornelius to cover the same zone. You're a ******* broken record.

And you're a blind idiot.

Yeah, McCord just freelanced and ran right into the interior of the O-line.

That's exactly what a freelancing DE would do. LOL. Why would he freelance to the outside when he can freelance straight into a ******' Tackle and Guard.

McCord: "Man **** the play-call and **** rushing the edge. I'm gonna crash right into this 350lb O-lineman."

 

[CanesAreAble]

I agree with the your statement about making plays but my point remains...we often have nobody near the ball. Our LB's sit there and stare at the QB while they're playing zone, they don't find WR's.

And is that the scheme or lbers not doing their job?

Both falls on coaching IMO. Why are the LB's not doing their job? They're not young.

They're not that good. How about that. And I'm including Perryman in that. He's having an average year. One great game, Florida, aside from that, nothing. He makes a lot of tackles, but they're 6, 7, 10-12 yards down the field. He still takes plays off, and doesn't impose his will on the game. He would be good if we had 2 other good LBs playing next to him. Instead we have Gaines and Cornelius. Or Armbrister. Or Figs, who is a true frosh.

So LB's aren't covering the flats cause they're not good?

The fact that we sit back and allow a RB to catch a flare route for 8 yards has nothing to do with us not being good. The fact that receivers run through our zone without being contested has nothing to do with talent. THERE'S NOBODY IN THE AREA!!!

Not being good/talented is when a player is (atleast) in the right area but can't make a play. When they're not even in the right area THAT'S COACHING AND SCHEME.

I've had countless "bad" football players on my squads and we always fielded a top-15 defense, one year reaching as high as 4th in the county. Our players were almost always in the right spots but when we played against teams like Miramar we would struggle because we couldn't catch their guys and/or tackle them despite being in the right spot. THAT is a lack of talent. You're in the right spots but you got a 5'8" LB who runs a 4.9 forty trying to tackle a kid who's got a D1 scholarship. That's not what's going on here.

Leaving areas completely void of defenders is SCHEME. There's holes in this defense. It's easily exploitable. We got defenders sitting there watching the QB while WR's are running right through their zone. I'm looking at the LB's eyes/head and he's starring at the QB. THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY BEING TAUGHT THAT.

Well then I guess Al Golden is grossly incompetent because this is his scheme, and D'Onofrio has been his right-hand man for a decade.

The defense has gone from 116th to 31st. With improved talent and more experience moving forward, do you expect the defense to get better or worse?

 

[nebcane]

I don't care what JAGS we run out there on defense. No excuses for guys running wide open all game long. It's not just FSU - any OC with a pulse can gash this defense with mediocre talent if they watch 5 minutes of film. This defense is poorly coached, period.

 

[CanesAreAble]

This is the kind of schematic ****ery I'm talking about. (1:46)



3rd and 5. Our DE up top crashes inside, leaving us without an edge rusher to Winston's right. Winston scrambles right for an easy 1st down. Now, if I hadn't seen this already during D'Onofrio's tenure then I would just chalk it up on the players, however I've seen it a million times. This is completely UN-SOUND.

Also notice how Luther Robinson is dropping into a zone and standing right next to Cornelius. They're both covering the same patch of grass together. LOL.

Looks like McCorrd just freelanced to me. I'm sure Coach D's scheme calls for Robinson and Cornelius to cover the same zone. You're a ******* broken record.

And you're a blind idiot.

Yeah, McCord just freelanced and ran right into the interior of the O-line.

That's exactly what a freelancing DE would do. LOL. Why would he freelance to the outside when he can freelance straight into a ******' Tackle and Guard.

McCord: "Man **** the play-call and **** rushing the edge. I'm gonna crash right into this 350lb O-lineman."

Conversely, why would D'Onofrio tell the defensive linemen to slant to the boundary and leave the wide side of the field open? Just because? Do you think he's just calling a grab-bag defense, and there's no rhyme or reason to anything? That makes even less sense than McCord trying an inside move to get to the QB.

There's a reason for everything. Maybe they saw tendencies that suggested Winston was going to roll to his left. Maybe somebody ****ed up. I don't know. But I doubt Golden is as brain-dead as you make him out to be. And I know you're complaining about the DC, but Golden is a defensive coach, this is his scheme, and he's had over a dozen years to evaluate D'Onofrio as a coach.

 

[CanesAreAble]

I don't care what JAGS we run out there on defense. No excuses for guys running wide open all game long.

That's not even true. Winston had to check down several times. When you have inferior talent, you can't take EVERYTHING away.

 

[LuCane]

Here's what I wrote before the game:

In reality, because teams flood areas, motion players, QBs move our defenders with their eyes, our DL doesn't create pressure with 4 and our Safeties lack range, this (see edited red circles representing our players' range of coverage) is what we end up looking like:



Please see arrow for the spot Rashad Greene will try to build a home in.

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I think what WildCat is saying is that we made a conscious decision to allow this and we're going to perpetually struggle against good teams because it is, in fact, a conscious decision to cover "areas." There are other issues. Predictability issues, I think. Our personnel packages dictate almost exactly what we do. When Quan lines up inside, he loops. Every time. 100%. This was mentioned before the game. You can bet FSU knew it, too. It happened in the game just the same, although they tried to add a wrinkle by having him loop around basically across the DL formation. FSU was prepared nonetheless.

The underlying question is "do you think we can win with this philosophy?" I think that's where WildCat is saying he doesn't think we can reach the next level with this particular philosophy.

 

[Coach Macho]

What's with this assumption or belief that Golden and Co must know what they're doing? Not all coaches and coordinators in college are good.

It's like D'Onofrio and Golden are above scrutiny. Like they must know what they're doing cause they're our coaches. Division-1 football is full of slapdick coaches and coordinators. Not all of them are masterminds. There's head-scratching calls all over the country every weekend.

You can't always blame the players every time something doesn't make sense schematically. Some coordinators simply do **** that's un-sound and doesn't make the most sense. What do you guys think, all college coordinators are geniuses? The guy who's running Western's defense this year came straight from college. They're now ranked last in the county in defense.

 

[CanesAreAble]

The underlying question is "do you think we can win with this philosophy?"

Defensively, I'm not a huge proponent of one scheme over another. Just give me a team with plus athletes that play with discipline.

The only scheme I'm really not a fan of is some type of Jon Tenuta blitzkrieg attack. I think the net result of that is negative. That said, that scheme works with proper recruiting and coaching.

 

[Coach Macho]

I don't care what JAGS we run out there on defense. No excuses for guys running wide open all game long.

That's not even true. Winston had to check down several times. When you have inferior talent, you can't take EVERYTHING away.

When he checked down it was always for an easy 8+ yards cause nobody on defense accounted for the check-down.

One time we dropped 8 into coverage and rushed 3. Shayon Green and Tyrone Cornelius were covering the same hook-to-curl zone. Shayon should've seen the RB flare out of the backfield and picked him up but instead he sat there and allowed him to catch the ball with a full head of steam. The reason I can't blame this on Green is because we do it ALL THE TIME. It's like we're being told to let them catch it in front of us and then tackle them. Well ****, the dude has 8 yards by then!

 

[CanesAreAble]

What's with this assumption or belief that Golden and Co must know what they're doing? Not all coaches and coordinators in college are good.

It's like D'Onofrio and Golden are above scrutiny. Like they must know what they're doing cause they're our coaches. Division-1 football is full of slapdick coaches and coordinators. Not all of them are masterminds. There's head-scratching calls all over the country every weekend.

You can't always blame the players every time something doesn't make sense schematically. Some coordinators simply do **** that's un-sound and doesn't make the most sense. What do you guys think, all college coordinators are geniuses? The guy who's running Western's defense this year came straight from college. They're now ranked last in the county in defense.

I'm not making an assumption. I'm making an evaluation based on what I know about Golden and D'Onofrio. I'm taking into consideration track record, coaching pedigree, statistics, player development, etc...

Sure, I can quibble about this and that, but overall I'm pleased with the direction of the defense. Going from 116th to 31st is a drastic jump in improvement, and I expect it to continue.

 

[Mico Jones]

Here's what I wrote before the game:

In reality, because teams flood areas, motion players, QBs move our defenders with their eyes, our DL doesn't create pressure with 4 and our Safeties lack range, this (see edited red circles representing our players' range of coverage) is what we end up looking like:



Please see arrow for the spot Rashad Greene will try to build a home in.

--------------------------------------------

I think what WildCat is saying is that we made a conscious decision to allow this and we're going to perpetually struggle against good teams because it is, in fact, a conscious decision to cover "areas." There are other issues. Predictability issues, I think. Our personnel packages dictate almost exactly what we do. When Quan lines up inside, he loops. Every time. 100%. This was mentioned before the game. You can bet FSU knew it, too. It happened in the game just the same, although they tried to add a wrinkle by having him loop around basically across the DL formation. FSU was prepared nonetheless.

The underlying question is "do you think we can win with this philosophy?" I think that's where WildCat is saying he doesn't think we can reach the next level with this particular philosophy.

This. I lol because I know every time we run an end tackle stunt. You can tell by the pre snap alignment every time.

 

[Coach Macho]

Here's what I wrote before the game:

In reality, because teams flood areas, motion players, QBs move our defenders with their eyes, our DL doesn't create pressure with 4 and our Safeties lack range, this (see edited red circles representing our players' range of coverage) is what we end up looking like:



Please see arrow for the spot Rashad Greene will try to build a home in.

--------------------------------------------

I think what WildCat is saying is that we made a conscious decision to allow this and we're going to perpetually struggle against good teams because it is, in fact, a conscious decision to cover "areas." There are other issues. Predictability issues, I think. Our personnel packages dictate almost exactly what we do. When Quan lines up inside, he loops. Every time. 100%. This was mentioned before the game. You can bet FSU knew it, too. It happened in the game just the same, although they tried to add a wrinkle by having him loop around basically across the DL formation. FSU was prepared nonetheless.

The underlying question is "do you think we can win with this philosophy?" I think that's where WildCat is saying he doesn't think we can reach the next level with this particular philosophy.

My issue is that we're sitting in those squares and not moving. We're not "matching" the receivers that are camping out in those zones.

 

[LuCane]

The underlying question is "do you think we can win with this philosophy?"

Defensively, I'm not a huge proponent of one scheme over another. Just give me a team with plus athletes that play with discipline.

The only scheme I'm really not a fan of is some type of Jon Tenuta blitzkrieg attack. I think the net result of that is negative. That said, that scheme works with proper recruiting and coaching.

It's not about scheme. The philosophy right now seems to be "we'll make less mistakes and await mistakes from our opponents." FWIW, I think that's about the best approach for yesterday. My question is about this philosophy going forward and in future big games.

 

[Coach Macho]

What's with this assumption or belief that Golden and Co must know what they're doing? Not all coaches and coordinators in college are good.

It's like D'Onofrio and Golden are above scrutiny. Like they must know what they're doing cause they're our coaches. Division-1 football is full of slapdick coaches and coordinators. Not all of them are masterminds. There's head-scratching calls all over the country every weekend.

You can't always blame the players every time something doesn't make sense schematically. Some coordinators simply do **** that's un-sound and doesn't make the most sense. What do you guys think, all college coordinators are geniuses? The guy who's running Western's defense this year came straight from college. They're now ranked last in the county in defense.

I'm not making an assumption. I'm making an evaluation based on what I know about Golden and D'Onofrio. I'm taking into consideration track record, coaching pedigree, statistics, player development, etc...

Sure, I can quibble about this and that, but overall I'm pleased with the direction of the defense. Going from 116th to 31st is a drastic jump in improvement, and I expect it to continue.

That jump can be attributed to several things...

1. Players being older, bigger and stronger.
2. Players not being COMPLETELY clueless anymore.
3. Miami playing slapdick opponents.

 

[fastcane]

Not with a line that doesn't know how to block worth a ****! Duke is elite, his line is not, put him behind Alabama's line a he'll run for 2 hundred a game.

Maybe it's finally time people realized (Duke's) a very good back, but not nearly as good as people here think he is.

This.

I've been saying it for a while. I love Duke, but he isn't an elite college football RB. Very very good, but not elite.

 

[CanesAreAble]

I don't care what JAGS we run out there on defense. No excuses for guys running wide open all game long.

That's not even true. Winston had to check down several times. When you have inferior talent, you can't take EVERYTHING away.

When he checked down it was always for an easy 8+ yards cause nobody on defense accounted for the check-down.

One time we dropped 8 into coverage and rushed 3. Shayon Green and Tyrone Cornelius were covering the same hook-to-curl zone. Shayon should've seen the RB flare out of the backfield and picked him up but instead he sat there and allowed him to catch the ball with a full head of steam. The reason I can't blame this on Green is because we do it ALL THE TIME. It's like we're being told to let them catch it in front of us and then tackle them. Well ****, the dude has 8 yards by then!

I obviously haven't broken down the coach's tape of every game, but we remember the blown assignments, especially in the big games. What about when plays are run properly? In the clip that you posted, we picked up Freeman out of the backfield on that play.

Maybe Shayon simply screwed up. I honestly don't know. I'm just not nearly as concerned about schematic issues. I'm more concerned with the talent. The defense will look better when guys like AQM are able to play every down.

 

[CanesAreAble]

What's with this assumption or belief that Golden and Co must know what they're doing? Not all coaches and coordinators in college are good.

It's like D'Onofrio and Golden are above scrutiny. Like they must know what they're doing cause they're our coaches. Division-1 football is full of slapdick coaches and coordinators. Not all of them are masterminds. There's head-scratching calls all over the country every weekend.

You can't always blame the players every time something doesn't make sense schematically. Some coordinators simply do **** that's un-sound and doesn't make the most sense. What do you guys think, all college coordinators are geniuses? The guy who's running Western's defense this year came straight from college. They're now ranked last in the county in defense.

I'm not making an assumption. I'm making an evaluation based on what I know about Golden and D'Onofrio. I'm taking into consideration track record, coaching pedigree, statistics, player development, etc...

Sure, I can quibble about this and that, but overall I'm pleased with the direction of the defense. Going from 116th to 31st is a drastic jump in improvement, and I expect it to continue.

That jump can be attributed to several things...

1. Players being older, bigger and stronger.
2. Players not being COMPLETELY clueless anymore.
3. Miami playing slapdick opponents.

1. Shouldn't we expect another bump here next year?
2. Ditto
3. How many defenses play a murderers' row every week?

 

[LuCane]

Here's what I wrote before the game:

In reality, because teams flood areas, motion players, QBs move our defenders with their eyes, our DL doesn't create pressure with 4 and our Safeties lack range, this (see edited red circles representing our players' range of coverage) is what we end up looking like:



Please see arrow for the spot Rashad Greene will try to build a home in.

--------------------------------------------

I think what WildCat is saying is that we made a conscious decision to allow this and we're going to perpetually struggle against good teams because it is, in fact, a conscious decision to cover "areas." There are other issues. Predictability issues, I think. Our personnel packages dictate almost exactly what we do. When Quan lines up inside, he loops. Every time. 100%. This was mentioned before the game. You can bet FSU knew it, too. It happened in the game just the same, although they tried to add a wrinkle by having him loop around basically across the DL formation. FSU was prepared nonetheless.

The underlying question is "do you think we can win with this philosophy?" I think that's where WildCat is saying he doesn't think we can reach the next level with this particular philosophy.

My issue is that we're sitting in those squares and not moving. We're not "matching" the receivers that are camping out in those zones.

I'm aware. I think you're going to be hard-pressed finding someone on this board who likes to discuss the technical side that (a) doesn't realize we're covering areas and (b) prefers to play matchup zone. ****, in my crap small HS we played matchup. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who doesn't want to see a bit more man mixed in as well. I just don't think any of us are going to get what we're hoping for. At least, I haven't seen any evidence of it.

 

[LuCane]

What's with this assumption or belief that Golden and Co must know what they're doing? Not all coaches and coordinators in college are good.

It's like D'Onofrio and Golden are above scrutiny. Like they must know what they're doing cause they're our coaches. Division-1 football is full of slapdick coaches and coordinators. Not all of them are masterminds. There's head-scratching calls all over the country every weekend.

You can't always blame the players every time something doesn't make sense schematically. Some coordinators simply do **** that's un-sound and doesn't make the most sense. What do you guys think, all college coordinators are geniuses? The guy who's running Western's defense this year came straight from college. They're now ranked last in the county in defense.

I'm not making an assumption. I'm making an evaluation based on what I know about Golden and D'Onofrio. I'm taking into consideration track record, coaching pedigree, statistics, player development, etc...

Sure, I can quibble about this and that, but overall I'm pleased with the direction of the defense. Going from 116th to 31st is a drastic jump in improvement, and I expect it to continue.

That jump can be attributed to several things...

1. Players being older, bigger and stronger.
2. Players not being COMPLETELY clueless anymore.
3. Miami playing slapdick opponents.

1. Shouldn't we expect another bump here next year?
2. Ditto
3. How many defenses play a murderers' row every week?

1. My issue is I'm hoping for Championships. This is why regardless of the amount of bumps, my question is always "will this work in those handful of games that decide a Championship?"

 

[Big Sky Cane]

This is the kind of schematic ****ery I'm talking about. (1:46)



3rd and 5. Our DE up top crashes inside, leaving us without an edge rusher to Winston's right. Winston scrambles right for an easy 1st down. Now, if I hadn't seen this already during D'Onofrio's tenure then I would just chalk it up on the players, however I've seen it a million times. This is completely UN-SOUND.

Also notice how Luther Robinson is dropping into a zone and standing right next to Cornelius. They're both covering the same patch of grass together. LOL.

Looks like McCorrd just freelanced to me. I'm sure Coach D's scheme calls for Robinson and Cornelius to cover the same zone. You're a ******* broken record.

And you're a blind idiot.

Yeah, McCord just freelanced and ran right into the interior of the O-line.

That's exactly what a freelancing DE would do. LOL. Why would he freelance to the outside when he can freelance straight into a ******' Tackle and Guard.

McCord: "Man **** the play-call and **** rushing the edge. I'm gonna crash right into this 350lb O-lineman."

The fact of the matter is......you don't have a ******* clue what the "call" was or what the players responsibilities were, so quit acting like you do. I'll say it again, I would bet my left nut that we are "schematically" sound. Are the players blowing to many assignments....I'll sign on to that.

Golden was raised by some of the best defensive minds in the history of the game.......yeah, call me a homer if I trust his judgment over some slap **** ex-highschool D-line coach.