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Without quality scheme you won’t be here long enough for the proper talent acquisition. The area will chase you out. Both CMR and AG wanted to be here long term but obvious scheme deficiencies got them run out long before they were ever going to see it through. We can argue for 50 pages about whether or not they would have ever really gotten there but that’s not the point.

To me scheme needs to be priority 1! Both offensively and defensively
 
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frostycane said:
Without quality scheme you won’t be here long enough for the proper talent acquisition. The area will chase you out. Both CMR and AG wanted to be here long term but obvious scheme deficiencies got them run out long before they were ever going to see it through. We can argue for 50 pages about whether or not they would have ever really gotten there but that’s not the point.

To me scheme needs to be priority 1! Both offensively and defensively
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Agree Scheme is first... We need to consitnently win ACC coastal then the talent will come to be championship contenders..
 
frostycane said:
Without quality scheme you won’t be here long enough for the proper talent acquisition. The area will chase you out. Both CMR and AG wanted to be here long term but obvious scheme deficiencies got them run out long before they were ever going to see it through. We can argue for 50 pages about whether or not they would have ever really gotten there but that’s not the point.

To me scheme needs to be priority 1! Both offensively and defensively
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People are saying scheme as a proxy for competent coaching. What you need to not get chased out is aggressive defense and downfield passing. Those are the requirements of south florida.

Terrible coaching, **** discipline, half full roster, that isnt about scheme. It’s about incompetence.

Again, spread is fine but it ain’t the ‘answer.’

People who think scheme is the requirement are being reactive, not thoughtful.

Wr could hire a schematic innovator who doesnt recruit or evaluate well, and doesn’t run a discicplined program, and the next time we’re looking for a successor, the people now saying scheme will all be singing some other tune.

Miami is about aggression and athletes, not a specific scheme (though our defense must be fast, downhill and utilize the type of kids we have access to).
 
Ethnicsands said:
People are saying scheme as a proxy for competent coaching. What you need to not get chased out is aggressive defense and downfield passing. Those are the requirements of south florida.

Terrible coaching, **** discipline, half full roster, that isnt about scheme. It’s about incompetence.

Again, spread is fine but it ain’t the ‘answer.’

People who think scheme is the requirement are being reactive, not thoughtful.

Wr could hire a schematic innovator who doesnt recruit or evaluate well, and doesn’t run a discicplined program, and the next time we’re looking for a successor, the people now saying scheme will all be singing some other tune.

Miami is about aggression and athletes, not a specific scheme (though our defense must be fast, downhill and utilize the type of kids we have access to).
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Agreed to a point I mean we had times this year wheer Langham and Cager as our starting wideouts..Has to be the worst combo in the ACC.. But tell me why we never ran slants with those big body guys?
 
We need schematic guys to maximize talent, an evaluator just finds it.

We’ve had 2 regimes who regularly lost to less talented teams. In 2019 we need Xs and Os, just jimmys and joes won’t cut it.
 
stormsurge said:
"1. Talent Acquisition. ...People love to crap on the ratings when it makes us feel better, but on average, over time, they don’t lie — our roster top to bottom ain’t what we imagine it to be and our best kids do tend to be the highest rated ones we get — there’s a message in all that."

For the you can just build a giant simply by identifying, recruiting and developing 2-3 star talent, I'd like for them to identify those programs.
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It’s a false question to ask, imo, because outside of miami, there isn’t a program where you have (a) proximity to this level of talent and (b) disadvantages on almost every other relevant metric. A great evaluator might matter in texas, also. Not sure there are other programs where that would elevated so clearly as a priority. It obviously matters everywhere. But UM has a unique dynamic. The volume of local talent is not only a blessing. It’s also a curse. You must pick carefully, pick wisely, pick early in some cases.

Additionally, your question is bullchit on the 2-3 star point, but I assume you’re just being ****y by saying that. I certa8nly didn’t say 2-3 star. We’ve got a crap record with 5* kids the past 15 years at miami.

If you want to know what evaluations look like, look at Butch Davis and Jimmy Johnson — the BEST of their generation. Both at UM and In Dallas. Look also at Urban Meyer. He’s been terrific, imo. Pete Carroll was pretty **** good at evaluating, imo. Nick Saban is, too. People think it’s easy for him because of their ability to get top kids, but they still have to prioritize. They’re consistently terrific at DL assessments in particular. RB also. And he knows how to assess which kids will work in their culture. Butch did, too.

Jury out on Smart.

Dabo, I say yes.
 
blackvern said:
Agreed to a point I mean we had times this year wheer Langham and Cager as our starting wideouts..Has to be the worst combo in the ACC.. But tell me why we never ran slants with those big body guys?
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Because Richt is an incompetent stubborn quitter. Not sure what else to say. The issue with Richt wasn’t scheme. It was ability and effort.
 
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Ethnicsands said:
People are saying scheme as a proxy for competent coaching. What you need to not get chased out is aggressive defense and downfield passing. Those are the requirements of south florida.

Terrible coaching, **** discipline, half full roster, that isnt about scheme. It’s about incompetence.

Again, spread is fine but it ain’t the ‘answer.’

People who think scheme is the requirement are being reactive, not thoughtful.

Wr could hire a schematic innovator who doesnt recruit or evaluate well, and doesn’t run a discicplined program, and the next time we’re looking for a successor, the people now saying scheme will all be singing some other tune.

Miami is about aggression and athletes, not a specific scheme (though our defense must be fast, downhill and utilize the type of kids we have access to).
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Everything you just said about a Miami defense is called scheme. Lol

As for the coach, I am and have been on record of saying we need a head coach who is not a players coach. But a badass, someone who won’t cow down to the divas and the diva coaches of south Florida.
 
CashMoneyCane said:
What? Private university, excellent education, amazing location, rich tradition, enormous NFL success.

We're at an advantage in a ton of respects. We don't have our own stadium, the fan support is fickle at best, the facilities aren't otherworldly like some big programs. To me there are far more advantages than disadvantages, we just haven't done a great job selling them.
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I’m responding because your post is a great example of Miami fan delusion. It doesn’t even matter if some aspects of your point aren’t 100% wrong. They’re just off base. If you think Miami has a material advantage outwide of proximity to local talent relative to other major programs, you’re delusional.

Private university has some pros and more cons — on balance, it is a disadvantage far more than an advantage. If you don’t understand that, *shrugs*.

To the extent educational quality truly matters to a recruit, which is not the case most of the time, we are not as differentiated as our fans think and at a disadvantage to some programs (e.g., such as Stanford, ND). So most kids don’t care and the ones who do, not clear we’re what they see as quality. Sorry, but that’s reality. Miami alumni have a higher view of Miami’s quality than the rest of the country, and Newsweek doesn’t change that.

Location? To a broke college kid, it ain’t what it may be to a retiree. Facilities, dorms, on-campus stadium, college town, there are a lot of tradeoffs to Coral Gables.

Tradition? 1 title in 30 years, a few NCAA scandals, a bad boy reputation that doesn’t sell very well outside our home base, fans who don’t care, etc. Overrated by everyone who isn’t a fan.

NFL success? Not so much recently. Not much of a sale these days against the schools we are recruiting against for talent.

Honestly, you listed our fans fantasies, not reality.
 
frostycane said:
Everything you just said about a Miami defense is called scheme. Lol

As for the coach, I am and have been on record of saying we need a head coach who is not a players coach. But a badass, someone who won’t cow down to the divas and the diva coaches of south Florida.
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On defense, I agree that is required. Most here are talking offense on scheme and looking for an offensive mind as Hc.
 
I just think everyone has been dying to see some spread used here. Something to create mismatches and space for the athletes in south Florida. Which is fair. I liked Jed Fischer offense
 
One more topic, touched on elsewhere and above, but deserves emphasis:

To do this right, the AD/Admin MUST prioritize what they are looking for, first and foremost.

If you don’t know what you need, hiring processes are a flawed exercise. How do you compare a group where their long suits are different? A recruiter, an offensive mind, a defensive mind, and a ceo leader? A younger Butch, a younger Meyer, a younger JJ, a younger Saban? Forget the results, we ain’t hiring them. What profile are we looking for? What are our biggest needs, biggest vulnerabilities?

IMO it is CRITICAL to critically assess what we need and really prioritize. Actually rank the traits. In order of importance. And what is below the line, deemphasize. Otherwise you are just left with whoever interviews well. Al Golden interviewed well.

The second KEY question is, once you know what you need, which candidates have PROVEN they can do it. Projecting is risky. If you know what you need, find someone who can credibly claim to have done it before.

PROCESS matters in hiring as much as coaching.
 
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Ethnicsands said:
What we need to hire / solve for in a Hc:

1. Talent Acquisition. Our one asset relative to any other program is access to so fla talent. In every other respect we are at a disadvantage. If we do not maximize on overall roster talent, we will not be a top level program. Period. EOS. And LOS in particular. No team can compete for the playoffs in cfb without top level lines. Our OL recruiting has been awful for ages, and we have barely recruited DTs at all, or failed at it. We must must must must must upgrade massively on the lines, or we will have no shot against top teams. We also overrate our own talent relative to other top teams. People love to crap on the ratings when it makes us feel better, but on average, over time, they don’t lie — our roster top to bottom ain’t what we imagine it to be and our best kids do tend to be the highest rated ones we get — there’s a message in all that.

To maximize talent, we need a great evaluator, first, because we will not be able to count on getting the top kids for several years, and beyond the obvious few, it is 100% about evals given so many options. We also need a great and _hungry_ salesman, because pulling a few top local kids would change the feel and momentum of the program massively. Not at all pushing him, but Mario is an energetic, aggressive recruiter who could probably win local battles more than most and change the roster fast, by way of example. Someone like Richt who wont even fill the roster, well, you know.

2. Culture. The program has to take itself and football and competition for PT seriously. ***** the swag and turnover chain and hand signs. It’s about competition and discipline, and winning - not ice cream socials and back flips into a swimming pool. And ST are a good view into that. It’s just work, practice and attitude. No excuse for awful S&C.

3. Staff. We need someone who will attract top assistants. No head coach can win with a mediocre staff, and its a clear sign of HC talent that good young coaches want to follow you. Makes a big difference. Get the budget to secure them, too. Quit ****ing around. A candidate that struggles to bring top talent with him is a bad choice, full stop. Our AD is not someone who can help on this topic, moreover. Some schools can backfill here. We can’t. The Hc must attract a staff that is full of up and coming leaders.

4. Style. Aggressive and tough. Like old school Canes teams. We can go spread, but if we are weaker and thinner than SEC teams, we ain’t gone win isht.

5. S&C. The stakes are way higher than they were three decades ago, but Butch was progressive on this topic when he was HC. We are not where we need to be on S&C. Culture and roster depth matter, but so does basic training.

6. Scheme. Defense has to be fast, downhill, attacking, disruptive. That is a must to play in So Fla. We should always be able to have solid to great DBs, quick linebackers, fast ends. Given that, a couple top DTs pretty much ensures we have a terrific D. So it’s a shame and a crime we’ve so badly ignored recruiting DT the past forever. Hit the Juco ranks, do whatever you have to do. You see what Willis meant to this d. Imagine Wilfork between the kind of ends we can stack.

Offense needs to utilize speed and be able to attack downfield. I am fine with a spread, even prefer it. But the scheme isn’t the magic fix. We can have an innovative, attacking offense that isn’t a spread (motion, formations, route trees and play calli;g still matter), and a mediocre offense that is one. We need a capable QB, WRs who can catch, an OL that can block and is schemed properly, and RBs that can move the chains reliably, and a coach who can call plays effectively. With talented WRs and a QB who can find them in stride, running lanes will open up. And with local RB talent, open running lanes will be a recruiting edge. This program had almost 40,000 yards of NFL RB production on the roster at the same moment last time Butch built the roster. And if we get our defense to where it should be, ball control will be more valuable. A spread without roster depth and overall talent upgrade will be more fun to watch us lose, but not the key to victory.
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Interesting re Jimmy Johnson’s background. People yap about him like he just bumbled out of Oklahoma State.

Johnson began as an assistant coach at Louisiana Tech University in 1965. During this time, Phil Robertson of Duck Dynasty fame was the starting quarterback, and Jimmy helped recruit high school quarterback Terry Bradshaw from nearby Shreveport, Louisiana. He then became an assistant coach at Picayune Memorial High School in Picayune, Mississippi, in 1966. In 1967, he was an assistant at Wichita State University, then in 1968 and 1969, he served under Johnny Majors at Iowa State University in Ames. In 1970, he moved on to another Big Eight Conference school to become a defensive line coach at the University of Oklahoma, working under head coach Chuck Fairbanks and alongside future rivals Barry Switzer and Jim ****ey.

In 1973, he returned to Arkansas, where he served as defensive coordinatorthrough the 1976 season. There, he coached such players as Brison Manorand Dirt Winston. Johnson had hopes of being named head coach when Broyles retired, but was passed over for Lou Holtz. Holtz offered to retain Johnson on his staff, but Johnson decided to move on and amicably parted company with his alma mater.

Johnson became assistant head coach and defensive coordinator at the University of Pittsburgh under Jackie Sherrill in 1977 and 1978. There, he coached Randy Holloway, David Logan, Al Chesley, J. C. Wilson, and Hugh Green, and was introduced to a Pitt alumnus and assistant coach Dave Wannstedt, who later teamed up with Johnson again at the University of Miami, the Cowboys, and the Dolphins.

In 1979, Jimmy Johnson got his first head coaching job, at Oklahoma State University. Johnson coached for five seasons at Oklahoma State, from 1979 to 1983. His tenure there is noteworthy for his successful rebuilding of an inconsistent program. In his final season, he led the Cowboys to an 8–4 record and a 24–14 victory over 20th-ranked Baylor in the Astro-Bluebonnet Bowl.
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