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What we need to hire / solve for in a Hc:

1. Talent Acquisition. Our one asset relative to any other program is access to so fla talent. In every other respect we are at a disadvantage. If we do not maximize on overall roster talent, we will not be a top level program. Period. EOS. And LOS in particular. No team can compete for the playoffs in cfb without top level lines. Our OL recruiting has been awful for ages, and we have barely recruited DTs at all, or failed at it. We must must must must must upgrade massively on the lines, or we will have no shot against top teams. We also overrate our own talent relative to other top teams. People love to crap on the ratings when it makes us feel better, but on average, over time, they don’t lie — our roster top to bottom ain’t what we imagine it to be and our best kids do tend to be the highest rated ones we get — there’s a message in all that.

To maximize talent, we need a great evaluator, first, because we will not be able to count on getting the top kids for several years, and beyond the obvious few, it is 100% about evals given so many options. We also need a great and _hungry_ salesman, because pulling a few top local kids would change the feel and momentum of the program massively. Not at all pushing him, but Mario is an energetic, aggressive recruiter who could probably win local battles more than most and change the roster fast, by way of example. Someone like Richt who wont even fill the roster, well, you know.

2. Culture. The program has to take itself and football and competition for PT seriously. ***** the swag and turnover chain and hand signs. It’s about competition and discipline, and winning - not ice cream socials and back flips into a swimming pool. And ST are a good view into that. It’s just work, practice and attitude. No excuse for awful S&C.

3. Staff. We need someone who will attract top assistants. No head coach can win with a mediocre staff, and its a clear sign of HC talent that good young coaches want to follow you. Makes a big difference. Get the budget to secure them, too. Quit ****ing around. A candidate that struggles to bring top talent with him is a bad choice, full stop. Our AD is not someone who can help on this topic, moreover. Some schools can backfill here. We can’t. The Hc must attract a staff that is full of up and coming leaders.

4. Style. Aggressive and tough. Like old school Canes teams. We can go spread, but if we are weaker and thinner than SEC teams, we ain’t gone win isht.

5. S&C. The stakes are way higher than they were three decades ago, but Butch was progressive on this topic when he was HC. We are not where we need to be on S&C. Culture and roster depth matter, but so does basic training.

6. Scheme. Defense has to be fast, downhill, attacking, disruptive. That is a must to play in So Fla. We should always be able to have solid to great DBs, quick linebackers, fast ends. Given that, a couple top DTs pretty much ensures we have a terrific D. So it’s a shame and a crime we’ve so badly ignored recruiting DT the past forever. Hit the Juco ranks, do whatever you have to do. You see what Willis meant to this d. Imagine Wilfork between the kind of ends we can stack.

Offense needs to utilize speed and be able to attack downfield. I am fine with a spread, even prefer it. But the scheme isn’t the magic fix. We can have an innovative, attacking offense that isn’t a spread (motion, formations, route trees and play calli;g still matter), and a mediocre offense that is one. We need a capable QB, WRs who can catch, an OL that can block and is schemed properly, and RBs that can move the chains reliably, and a coach who can call plays effectively. With talented WRs and a QB who can find them in stride, running lanes will open up. And with local RB talent, open running lanes will be a recruiting edge. This program had almost 40,000 yards of NFL RB production on the roster at the same moment last time Butch built the roster. And if we get our defense to where it should be, ball control will be more valuable. A spread without roster depth and overall talent upgrade will be more fun to watch us lose, but not the key to victory.
 
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What we need to hire / solve for in a Hc:

1. Talent Acquisition. Our one asset relative to any other program is access to so fla talent. In every other respect we are at a disadvantage. If we do not maximize on overall roster talent, we will not be a top level program. Period. EOS. And LOS in particular. No team can compete for the playoffs in cfb without top level lines. Our OL recruiting has been awful for ages, and we have barely recruited DTs at all, or failed at it. We must must must must must upgrade massively on the lines, or we will have no shot against top teams. We also overrate our own talent relative to other top teams. People love to crap on the ratings when it makes us feel better, but on average, over time, they don’t lie — our roster top to bottom ain’t what we imagine it to be and our best kids do tend to be the highest rated ones we get — there’s a message in all that.

To maximize talent, we need a great evaluator, first, because we will not be able to count on getting the top kids for several years, and beyond the obvious few, it is 100% about evals given so many options. We also need a great and _hungry_ salesman, because pulling a few top local kids would change the feel and momentum of the program massively. Not at all pushing him, but Mario is an energetic, aggressive recruiter who could probably win local battles more than most and change the roster fast, by way of example. Someone like Richt who wont even fill the roster, well, you know.

2. Culture. The program has to take itself and football and competition for PT seriously. ***** the swag and turnover chain and hand signs. It’s about competition and discipline, and winning - not ice cream socials and back flips into a swimming pool. And ST are a good view into that. It’s just work, practice and attitude. No excuse for awful S&C.

3. Staff. We need someone who will attract top assistants. No head coach can win with a mediocre staff, and its a clear sign of HC talent that good young coaches want to follow you. Makes a big difference. Get the budget to secure them, too. Quit ****ing around. A candidate that struggles to bring top talent with him is a bad choice, full stop. Our AD is not someone who can help on this topic, moreover. Some schools can backfill here. We can’t. The Hc must attract a staff that is full of up and coming leaders.

4. Style. Aggressive and tough. Like old school Canes teams. We can go spread, but if we are weaker and thinner than SEC teams, we ain’t gone win isht.

5. S&C. The stakes are way higher than they were three decades ago, but Butch was progressive on this topic when he was HC. We are not where we need to be on S&C. Culture and roster depth matter, but so does basic training.

6. Scheme. Defense has to be fast, downhill, attacking, disruptive. That is a must to play in So Fla. We should always be able to have solid to great DBs, quick linebackers, fast ends. Offense needs to utilize speed and be able to attack downfield. I am fine with a spread, even prefer it. But the scheme isn’t the magic fix. We can have an innovative, attacking offense that isn’t a spread (motion, formations, route trees and play calli;g still matter), and a mediocre offense that is one. We need a capable QB, WRs who can catch, an OL that can block and is schemed properly, and RBs that can move the chains reliably, and a coach who can call plays effectively. With talented WRs and a QB who can find them in stride, running lanes will open up. And with local RB talent, open running lanes will be a recruiting edge. This program had almost 40,000 yards of NFL RB production on the roster at the same moment last time Butch built the roster. And if we get our defense to where it should be, ball control will be more valuable. A spread without roster depth and overall talent upgrade will be more fun to watch us lose, but not the key to victory.

100000000000000% Agree. Any recommendations?
 
Easier to get a DC and actually keep them also (OC get head gigs easier). We already have some pieces in place and have a decent standard for a top defense. Think its easier to turn a defense around. Offense you need a head guy who has a foundation and adapts to talent on hand. Give me a wide open fastbreak spread offense and I guarantee you recruits will come when that scoreboard lights up.
 
You're very well spoken, I like knowing that if I read your posts i wont regret it. Not always a given on this site.
 
100000000000000% Agree. Any recommendations?
Names is a different thread. Wanted to list priorities. Because if you aren’t clear in priorities, you won’t pick well on names.

I think people are attracted too much to scheme, personally. It would be right if we were where we were when JJ left. But this is a real program rebuild. That’s a different type of cat. We need someone with Saban like hunger to win, and energy and discipline to follow through on that hunger, who will not tolerate bullchit at a team or program level, who can evaluate talent and will go get it, and who can attract a staff.

I’d sacrifice scheme for that. Saban isn’t a scheme guy. This isn’t about a ‘ceo’ type. I’m not saying that at all. Ceo is code for caretaker. Ditka wasn’t a ceo, but he lead and had a very, very innovative defense. Just by way of example.

Scheme is popular today because it has been beyond frustrating to watch incompetent offenses for 17 years. But that isn’t just or much about scheme. Richt would suck at implementing a spread, no doubt.

Spread can take advantage of local athletes, so great, okay, sure. But spread isn’t the fix. Discipline, commitment, seriousness, effort, recruiting, evaluations, and drive to win. That is required.

Coker was a caretaker. Shannon unprepared entirely. Golden wanted out. Richt was retired. None were seriously committed to doing what it takes.
 
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Need the pedo state s and c. Turned Barkley and some other dudes into combine freaks
 
Need the pedo state s and c. Turned Barkley and some other dudes into combine freaks
Barkley is a freak, not a combine freak. People don’t realize how good an athlete he is. We had that, once. Willis was a freak like that, at least pre knee destruction.
 
Barkley is a freak, not a combine freak. People don’t realize how good an athlete he is. We had that, once. Willis was a freak like that, at least pre knee destruction.
Gained like 40 pounds and got faster. That’s freakish.
Some of the top combine scores from last draft were from pedophile state
 
"1. Talent Acquisition. ...People love to crap on the ratings when it makes us feel better, but on average, over time, they don’t lie — our roster top to bottom ain’t what we imagine it to be and our best kids do tend to be the highest rated ones we get — there’s a message in all that."

For the you can just build a giant simply by identifying, recruiting and developing 2-3 star talent, I'd like for them to identify those programs.
 
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In every other respect we are at a disadvantage. .

What? Private university, excellent education, amazing location, rich tradition, enormous NFL success.

We're at an advantage in a ton of respects. We don't have our own stadium, the fan support is fickle at best, the facilities aren't otherworldly like some big programs. To me there are far more advantages than disadvantages, we just haven't done a great job selling them.
 
What we need to hire / solve for in a Hc:

1. Talent Acquisition. Our one asset relative to any other program is access to so fla talent. In every other respect we are at a disadvantage. If we do not maximize on overall roster talent, we will not be a top level program. Period. EOS. And LOS in particular. No team can compete for the playoffs in cfb without top level lines. Our OL recruiting has been awful for ages, and we have barely recruited DTs at all, or failed at it. We must must must must must upgrade massively on the lines, or we will have no shot against top teams. We also overrate our own talent relative to other top teams. People love to crap on the ratings when it makes us feel better, but on average, over time, they don’t lie — our roster top to bottom ain’t what we imagine it to be and our best kids do tend to be the highest rated ones we get — there’s a message in all that.

To maximize talent, we need a great evaluator, first, because we will not be able to count on getting the top kids for several years, and beyond the obvious few, it is 100% about evals given so many options. We also need a great and _hungry_ salesman, because pulling a few top local kids would change the feel and momentum of the program massively. Not at all pushing him, but Mario is an energetic, aggressive recruiter who could probably win local battles more than most and change the roster fast, by way of example. Someone like Richt who wont even fill the roster, well, you know.

2. Culture. The program has to take itself and football and competition for PT seriously. ***** the swag and turnover chain and hand signs. It’s about competition and discipline, and winning - not ice cream socials and back flips into a swimming pool. And ST are a good view into that. It’s just work, practice and attitude. No excuse for awful S&C.

3. Staff. We need someone who will attract top assistants. No head coach can win with a mediocre staff, and its a clear sign of HC talent that good young coaches want to follow you. Makes a big difference. Get the budget to secure them, too. Quit ****ing around. A candidate that struggles to bring top talent with him is a bad choice, full stop. Our AD is not someone who can help on this topic, moreover. Some schools can backfill here. We can’t. The Hc must attract a staff that is full of up and coming leaders.

4. Style. Aggressive and tough. Like old school Canes teams. We can go spread, but if we are weaker and thinner than SEC teams, we ain’t gone win isht.

5. S&C. The stakes are way higher than they were three decades ago, but Butch was progressive on this topic when he was HC. We are not where we need to be on S&C. Culture and roster depth matter, but so does basic training.

6. Scheme. Defense has to be fast, downhill, attacking, disruptive. That is a must to play in So Fla. We should always be able to have solid to great DBs, quick linebackers, fast ends. Given that, a couple top DTs pretty much ensures we have a terrific D. So it’s a shame and a crime we’ve so badly ignored recruiting DT the past forever. Hit the Juco ranks, do whatever you have to do. You see what Willis meant to this d. Imagine Wilfork between the kind of ends we can stack.

Offense needs to utilize speed and be able to attack downfield. I am fine with a spread, even prefer it. But the scheme isn’t the magic fix. We can have an innovative, attacking offense that isn’t a spread (motion, formations, route trees and play calli;g still matter), and a mediocre offense that is one. We need a capable QB, WRs who can catch, an OL that can block and is schemed properly, and RBs that can move the chains reliably, and a coach who can call plays effectively. With talented WRs and a QB who can find them in stride, running lanes will open up. And with local RB talent, open running lanes will be a recruiting edge. This program had almost 40,000 yards of NFL RB production on the roster at the same moment last time Butch built the roster. And if we get our defense to where it should be, ball control will be more valuable. A spread without roster depth and overall talent upgrade will be more fun to watch us lose, but not the key to victory.

:fistbump:
 
What we need to hire / solve for in a Hc:

1. Talent Acquisition. Our one asset relative to any other program is access to so fla talent. In every other respect we are at a disadvantage. If we do not maximize on overall roster talent, we will not be a top level program. Period. EOS. And LOS in particular. No team can compete for the playoffs in cfb without top level lines. Our OL recruiting has been awful for ages, and we have barely recruited DTs at all, or failed at it. We must must must must must upgrade massively on the lines, or we will have no shot against top teams. We also overrate our own talent relative to other top teams. People love to crap on the ratings when it makes us feel better, but on average, over time, they don’t lie — our roster top to bottom ain’t what we imagine it to be and our best kids do tend to be the highest rated ones we get — there’s a message in all that.

To maximize talent, we need a great evaluator, first, because we will not be able to count on getting the top kids for several years, and beyond the obvious few, it is 100% about evals given so many options. We also need a great and _hungry_ salesman, because pulling a few top local kids would change the feel and momentum of the program massively. Not at all pushing him, but Mario is an energetic, aggressive recruiter who could probably win local battles more than most and change the roster fast, by way of example. Someone like Richt who wont even fill the roster, well, you know.

2. Culture. The program has to take itself and football and competition for PT seriously. ***** the swag and turnover chain and hand signs. It’s about competition and discipline, and winning - not ice cream socials and back flips into a swimming pool. And ST are a good view into that. It’s just work, practice and attitude. No excuse for awful S&C.

3. Staff. We need someone who will attract top assistants. No head coach can win with a mediocre staff, and its a clear sign of HC talent that good young coaches want to follow you. Makes a big difference. Get the budget to secure them, too. Quit ****ing around. A candidate that struggles to bring top talent with him is a bad choice, full stop. Our AD is not someone who can help on this topic, moreover. Some schools can backfill here. We can’t. The Hc must attract a staff that is full of up and coming leaders.

4. Style. Aggressive and tough. Like old school Canes teams. We can go spread, but if we are weaker and thinner than SEC teams, we ain’t gone win isht.

5. S&C. The stakes are way higher than they were three decades ago, but Butch was progressive on this topic when he was HC. We are not where we need to be on S&C. Culture and roster depth matter, but so does basic training.

6. Scheme. Defense has to be fast, downhill, attacking, disruptive. That is a must to play in So Fla. We should always be able to have solid to great DBs, quick linebackers, fast ends. Given that, a couple top DTs pretty much ensures we have a terrific D. So it’s a shame and a crime we’ve so badly ignored recruiting DT the past forever. Hit the Juco ranks, do whatever you have to do. You see what Willis meant to this d. Imagine Wilfork between the kind of ends we can stack.

Offense needs to utilize speed and be able to attack downfield. I am fine with a spread, even prefer it. But the scheme isn’t the magic fix. We can have an innovative, attacking offense that isn’t a spread (motion, formations, route trees and play calli;g still matter), and a mediocre offense that is one. We need a capable QB, WRs who can catch, an OL that can block and is schemed properly, and RBs that can move the chains reliably, and a coach who can call plays effectively. With talented WRs and a QB who can find them in stride, running lanes will open up. And with local RB talent, open running lanes will be a recruiting edge. This program had almost 40,000 yards of NFL RB production on the roster at the same moment last time Butch built the roster. And if we get our defense to where it should be, ball control will be more valuable. A spread without roster depth and overall talent upgrade will be more fun to watch us lose, but not the key to victory.
Pretty solid. But I woul add Special Teams. Need to give a focus to special teams and they should b accountable for 10 points per game.
 
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