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Here's a quote from Diaz criticizing Dean for not making the proper coverage read because they simply put someone in motion. Honest question is there any legitimate reason why Richt or any coach would design a CFB offense that refuses to put a WR's or TE's in motion? There has to be some reason. I see a decent amount of CFB and can't recount any team besides Miami not utilizing this extremely simple tactic that makes the defense think a little and signals coverage.

“They only completed like three passes of over 10 yards, and [those] three were in essence his responsibility,” defensive coordinator Manny Diaz said. “But most of it, the more disappointing part was two of them were coverage checks. It’s the idea of being able to answer a question on a motion before the play, where you’re not just leaving the guy wide open because they put a guy in motion. That’s all part of maturation of a player.”

Read more here: How an injury in 2017 affected the Canes in loss to LSU and what it means going forward
 
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Well we ran jet sweep va Savannah. That’s kind of cool
 
Many of us have asked this countless times. As a big fan of the NFL and their schemes, you even see it used there ALL the time now.

Just made a separate post about how guys like McVay out in LA use the jet sweep from various formations. As in not some one off thing as I think we’ve run, but something more consistent with a purpose (to keep specific defenders honest) I’m guessing the answer we’d get is something around ‘if guys did their jobs, we’d be fine.’
 
Richt can barely keep up with player names let alone a "complicated" playbook.

I remember Richt once said, after a practice, that Rosier had to tell him what play he called - because he(Richt) had it wrong.

smh
 
Good lord, this stupid crap has to end. You can have all the movement in the world, but if you can't execute the **** basics, it won't matter. It's not WHAT you do, but HOW you do it. Rosier hits open receivers, it won't matter how much presnap eye candy is thrown out there. Frankly, mentally sharp defensive players rarely buy it. Motion isn't nor will it ever be the panacea.
 
Overall the coaching staff is really good however there are about 3 or 4 red flags that are cringe worthy. One being how bland our offense is. No exotic formations, no motion, and very predictable. We have got to find away to create more mismatches, not for our skill players but for Malik. A player needs to be wideopen in order for Malik to be effective.
 
Canedude08 said:
Good lord, this stupid crap has to end. You can have all the movement in the world, but if you can't execute the **** basics, it won't matter. It's not WHAT you do, but HOW you do it. Rosier hits open receivers, it won't matter how much presnap eye candy is thrown out there. Frankly, mentally sharp defensive players rarely buy it. Motion isn't nor will it ever be the panacea.
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Since rosier has shown he has difficulty with basics and since he misses open players it’s the coaches job to be creative to get the ball in the playmakers hands. Jet sweeps are an example of this
 
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You guys are missing it. We have motion almost every play...the tail back moves from behind the QB (where he can get a head of steam on handoff) to even with the QB...
 
My memory is a little cloudy about the exact specifics, but I swear I remember Richt's offenses at FSU from 1996-2000 running motion all the time, and generally ripping us to shreds. He did, didn't he? Did he somehow forget that the concept exists? Was it just because he had Weinke, and a line that kept him clean every game?
 
LPK2006 said:
My memory is a little cloudy about the exact specifics, but I swear I remember Richt's offenses at FSU from 1996-2000 running motion all the time, and generally ripping us to shreds. He did, didn't he? Did he somehow forget that the concept exists? Was it just because he had Weinke, and a line that kept him clean every game?
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LuCane said:
Many of us have asked this countless times. As a big fan of the NFL and their schemes, you even see it used there ALL the time now.

Just made a separate post about how guys like McVay out in LA use the jet sweep from various formations. As in not some one off thing as I think we’ve run, but something more consistent with a purpose (to keep specific defenders honest) I’m guessing the answer we’d get is something around ‘if guys did their jobs, we’d be fine.’
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Watching KC's use of tyreke hill, how do we not use Thomas or Harley in the same way... Mind boggling 🤔
 
JOE'CANE said:
Overall the coaching staff is really good however there are about 3 or 4 red flags that are cringe worthy. One being how bland our offense is. No exotic formations, no motion, and very predictable. We have got to find away to create more mismatches, not for our skill players but for Malik. A player needs to be wideopen in order for Malik to be effective.
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lol please
 
This subject has been beaten, killed, and buried....but man I watch NFL offenses and just cry myself to sleep. I watched Tyreek Hill go in jet motion and catch a 1 yard, incredibly safe "pass", use his speed and score easily in the redzone. I watched Todd Gurley go in short motion, catch a 1 yard, incredibly safe "pass", and use his talent to score easily in the redzone.

No one is saying Tyreek Hill or Todd Gurley is on this team, but we do have Jeff Thomas. We do have Deejay Dallas. Why can't you get the ball in those kids hands on the move? OK...Rosier is so incompetent, he can't even complete a bubble. Fine. So dumb it down even more. I just watch literally 95% of other offenses and there is so much more movement in them, so much more creativity, so much more freedom.

However, Richt's offense, as monotonous as it is, SHOULD be working through 2 games if we had an OL that could get some push in the run game and a QB who wasn't a paraplegic. It's not like nothing is there. So this isn't a fully bash Richt post, as most others are. But do he and Brown not watch other offenses? Miami is so predictable and boring.
 
fllcane said:
You guys are missing it. We have motion almost every play...the tail back moves from behind the QB (where he can get a head of steam on handoff) to even with the QB...
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Richt will continue to add little wrinkles here and there but it makes no sense to be all exotic and then throw TDs to defensive linemen. Let's see how the offense looks by the end of the season. I'm sure there's more to come.
 
ilovelamp said:
Here's a quote from Diaz criticizing Dean for not making the proper coverage read because they simply put someone in motion. Honest question is there any legitimate reason why Richt or any coach would design a CFB offense that refuses to put a WR's or TE's in motion? There has to be some reason. I see a decent amount of CFB and can't recount any team besides Miami not utilizing this extremely simple tactic that makes the defense think a little and signals coverage.

“They only completed like three passes of over 10 yards, and [those] three were in essence his responsibility,” defensive coordinator Manny Diaz said. “But most of it, the more disappointing part was two of them were coverage checks. It’s the idea of being able to answer a question on a motion before the play, where you’re not just leaving the guy wide open because they put a guy in motion. That’s all part of maturation of a player.”

Read more here: How an injury in 2017 affected the Canes in loss to LSU and what it means going forward
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He couldn't prepare for motion because he never sees it in practice! :zczkqmritjdsoaq.jpg::zczkqmritjdsoaq.jpg:
 
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LuCane said:
Many of us have asked this countless times. As a big fan of the NFL and their schemes, you even see it used there ALL the time now.

Just made a separate post about how guys like McVay out in LA use the jet sweep from various formations. As in not some one off thing as I think we’ve run, but something more consistent with a purpose (to keep specific defenders honest) I’m guessing the answer we’d get is something around ‘if guys did their jobs, we’d be fine.’
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I was thinking similarly watching the Rams game last night. They have a lot of speed, a nice QB, and an elite talent at RB. They may have a "Good" Oline, I'm not good enough to evaluate NFL teams down to that granular detail, but I don't think their OLine is "Special" or "Elite" level. They spread the ball around, don't have an AJ Green, Antonio Brown, Calvin Johnson, or Randy Moss on that roster. Shoot, they made Jared freeking Cook look like a Hall of Famer last night. Look how many carries their WR's had? I think it was at least 8-10 rushing attempts from their WR's.

I've been one who all along has said that our offense is "fine", there are open WR's to throw to if we just had a competent QB who could place the ball accurately and, ON TIME. This is still true.

That being said, we can do better. I hate this "motion" conversation because it makes it seem as though just putting someone in motion on every play will solve all our ills. BUT, we can do much, much better. There is no reason CJR and CMR and Thomas Brown and Dugans shouldn't be spending serious time in the offseason and even during the season visiting the Sean McVay's, Jay Gruden's, Josh McDaniel's, Doug Pederson's and Andy Reid's of the world, watching NFL football games, and stealing their plays and concepts, at a minimum. That shovel pass, sweep motion TD from Todd Gurley last night (I think it was the first TD of the game) was a thing of beauty. The play almost completely takes the OLine out of the equation and relies on the positioning and blocking of the WR's, which is something we actually excel at.

Unless things change, they are going to stay the same.
 
fllcane said:
You guys are missing it. We have motion almost every play...the tail back moves from behind the QB (where he can get a head of steam on handoff) to even with the QB...
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Baby steps! Maybe by 2020 we will have a wr motion all the way across the formation.
 
Two reason (likely) and here is why:

1) The #1 QB is clearly not the bookworm that is expected; and
2) When it comes to pre-snap reads, motion confuses the defense but also confuses the QBs reads.

Let's see it dialed up later on in life.

It seems CMR philosophy is, run a few plays very well, as opposed ot having a bunch of plays, motions, shifts etc., semi alright.

Those are the two main offensive philosophies.
 
Richt has been able to line up and beat people with talent. He did it at UGA and on most Saturdays he can do it at UM. No creativity.
 
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