Most of the hot takes about our offense are wrong

[MikeyCanez]

I think it always did. Hard to win with ****** QB play. Did you see David Hale's tweets earlier this week with the correlation between QBR and win percentage? There's a lot of nuance in football, but sometimes, at the end of the day, it just comes down to how good your quarterback is.

The idea that Beck struggled because of the run game is a silly narrative. When Beck threw his first pick, Miami had 4 carries for 11 yards (three red zone runs and not including two runs called back for penalty). When Beck threw his second pick, we had 6 carries for 23 yards. The train had barely left the station.

Not saying I wouldn't love some more variety in the run game and I still believe in Beck, but you can't give away more than 30% of your possessions and expect to win games.

 

[ThomasM]

We are not attacking all parts of the field, period. That is the only way to really keep teams off balance. It is not about run pass mix, but about WHERE you are attacking. We seem to not throw enough passes in the 10-20 yard range. It also has to do with who you are targeting. If the D knows you are going to throw to one of two guys, and it's either going to be short, or long, well, they can scheme against that easily.

 

[DTP]

I ******* hate it when our formation brings the entire defense into the box..and then we run right into it. It's maddening and predictable. If you have an advantage on the line vs the dline why bring all their guys into the box? Spread them out a give your rb a chance to run into something other than a wall of bodies. I'm just barely above a box of rocks and even I can tell what play is coming.

This is the most maddening thing about our team. If you want to run the ball, what is the reasoning behind making the defense bring every single defender as close to the play as possible? You’re literally making it as hard as possible to run the ball.

 

[pacusmc]

I stand by my ignorant statement.
Ignorant because I have no coaching or playing experience.
But if feels like our offense is designed to mask our inability to stretch the filed with the passing game

Idk why our offense seems to be so different than everyone else’s with this desire to strictly run straight ahead.

The pressure right now is 100 percent on Beck and Dawson.

The questions now are
1: is it play calling?
2: is it Beck not able to handle pressure?
3: Do we not have enough talent at wide out?
4: is the coaching staff handling the receiver rotations wrong?
4: are we running a system that isn’t conducive to the type of players we have?
4: do we simply just not have the talent that we thought we did?

 

[Notsince1985]

All the talk since our game has placed blame on Dawson and Mario and caveman football. Too predictable running every first down, conservative etc…


But let’s review the actual tape.

Drive 1: Drive started off passing. Play 2 was an unsportsmanlike penalty from Cici which killed the drive. Play 3 another pass and then punt

Drive 2: 1st down deep shot for 30 yards. Next 1st down, another deep shot for 39 and now we’re in a goal line situation where pound it in. But so far the only 1st down we’ve ran on was a 1st n goal.

Drive 3: Start backed inside our own 10. We run the ball for 6 on 1st down, but again another drive killed by an unsportsmanlike penalty. Try another run for minimal gain. Then on 2nd down Beck hits a pass for a 1st down at our 18. We pass again on 1st except this time Beck throws it to the Louisville. So this drive where we started inside our own 10 we did come out running, and would’ve been successful if it wasn’t for a dumb penalty. And then Beck giving it away.

Drive 4: Again starting inside our own 10. Again a drive where we started 1st down another penalty from Bell on a false start making it 1st n long. 1st down it’s a 14 yard pass from Beck followed by a 12 yard 2nd down run. We then run on first down for 0. Then again Beck threw the ball to the wrong team

Drive 5: Passed on 1st down. Then another penalty set us back. Passed again on 2nd for 61. Another first and goal. We run on 1st for nothing followed by 2 failed pass attempts.

But overall on our 10 first downs, we passed 60% of the time. And of the 4 times we ran it on 1st, 2 were first n goal inside their 10. And one was first down inside ours.

We only scored 10 points the 1st half. Because 2 of our 5 drives Beck made bad throws and because penalties kept killing our drives.

The 2nd half was even more lopsided in terms of throwing on 1st down.

Now I do have some questions about some our sets. Lville knew we wanted to throw screens out of those trip sets . And I do have some questions about what value our TEs are bringing. Lofton and Bauman play a lot of snaps, they had 2 catches for 18 yards. And unlike guys like Cam they don’t seem to particularly effective blockers.

Maybe time for more 4 man sets with Moore or Tony Johnson. But we’ve also seen multiple times Lofton or someone open on a check down and Beck not looking for it. Which is ultimately the issue. If we can’t stop the dumb penalties and Beck can’t make it through his progressions before forcing passes to CJ or Toney, we’re screwed.

I told you all that Bauman was average not worth it.

 

[Notsince1985]

You’re saying play someone else or just play no tight end?

Either would probably be better now

 

[joeB954]

Good breakdown, thanks.
On another note I’m so over the ticky-tack bull**** we get flagged for. Toney’s and CiCi’s flags could have easily been a quick “hey, no more of that” and then the blatant PI on Becks first int was like the official was too caught up in the pick to pay attention.

I agree. And the refs are the only reason the Notre game game turned around. Or else we blow them out. They completely changed the momentum. Don’t worry. The F.B.I. Will be coming after them after they are done with the NBA and NFL. lol. We can only hope

 

[TexasCane90]

The entire running scheme seems to be based on the idea that we’re going to maul them. The only time we really seemed to have success doing this was on a wet field. Man it would be great if you could just maul everyone all the time… but no one can and I have no idea why they think they can. No Miami team has ever done this. It’s not Miami football. It’s like the entire identity of the running game is driven by this mindset that our OL is unstoppable and it’s not. Having an OL head coach makes me think his ego cte and stubbornness are major flaws in the offense.

It’s not these coaches are paid very well to scheme.. especially Dawson he “coaches” the QBs and is the least talked about coach on the recruiting trail

Dude should have more than enough time to find a run game that’ll be more imaginative

 

[JamesQuall]

I ******* hate it when our formation brings the entire defense into the box..and then we run right into it. It's maddening and predictable. If you have an advantage on the line vs the dline why bring all their guys into the box? Spread them out an give your rb a chance to run into something other than a wall of bodies. I'm just barely above a box of rocks and even I can tell what play is coming.

Agreed, and to add to this, we don’t utilize play action nearly enough. I think we use it less than 30%.

You would think a team like ours that wants to grind teams into dust with 2.8 yards and a cloud of dust would use it often to at least make teams think.

 

[drewm3i]

Here’s what I don’t understand…

We (like many programs) apparently have a bunch of analysts and a coaching staff paid a bunch of money. They work day and night, chart everything, “self-scout.” Lots of jobs and money on the line. Not to mention ego, pride, competitiveness, all that. By all accounts, we have all that going on just like most programs of our stature.

Some of the criticism (not just from us plebs on CIS, but also some ball knowers) is pretty straightforward stuff. Things that would seem obvious on a cursory review, let alone a deep dive of the type apparently conducted regularly within the program. We’re not talking about reinventing the wheel.

Instead it’s things like try not to be in the 100s in penalties every year. Throw in some tendency breakers. Use some variety (different run gaps, play action, **** even some wildcat if you want to get fancy). And hey, maybe implement these things as a matter of course and development. You know, before rather than after you lose because you failed to do it. Heck, maybe even take advantage of a bye week…or two. Let alone an offseason or spring.

In other words, be proactive. Anticipate. Play chess not checkers.

But it seems our answer is WORK HARDER and EXECUTE BETTER. That’s a pretty low-level analysis and strategy, no? We can do both of those things while also adapting and evolving. They aren’t mutually exclusive.

I get it if our HC is “built that way” or maybe his philosophy is meathead-ish. But there’s an entire program involved. And there’s historical data.

What’s the problem, really? It can’t be that everyone is dumb…can it? I just don’t get the same **** over and over.

Or maybe I’m a prisoner of the moment. Just overreacting.

Ding, ding, ding

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

Agreed, and to add to this, we don’t utilize play action nearly enough. I think we use it less than 30%.

You would think a team like ours that wants to grind teams into dust with 2.8 yards and a cloud of dust would use it often to at least make teams think.

32% of the time this year which is actually slightly more than the national average. We’ve been good on it though.

 

[AtrainCane]

Or biggest problem is Beck missing open receivers and throwing the ball to the other team. Think about it like this if Beck throws only 3 interceptions we win the game. Do you know how crazy that really is? Receivers are open and he’s throwing it to them but not accurately at all. Maybe something is still wrong with his arm.

 

[gabednconfused]

reasonable takes

 

[Rellyrell]

U know what’s extremely frustrating about these type of threads? Ppl act like we don’t have eyes.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

Or biggest problem is Beck missing open receivers and throwing the ball to the other team. Think about it like this if Beck throws only 3 interceptions we win the game. Do you know how crazy that really is? Receivers are open and he’s throwing it to them but not accurately at all. Maybe something is still wrong with his arm.

He’s actually been quite accurate. 25/35 last week, which is excellent. Most of the short throws have been in an area to provide plenty of YAC. Aside from the UiF game, he’s been very accurate. The problem Friday was he didn’t make good decisions. The ball to Toney wasn’t inaccurate, it was just into three defenders. The last pick was a miscommunication, not an errant ball. The one on 4th down was just a desperation heave because it was 4th down. The one to Marion wasn’t a great throw or decision. Ball needs to be higher and to the outside, but honestly shouldn’t have been thrown.

He’s currently 12th in America in completion percentage and played the first month of games in rain storms. I’m not worried about his arm at all. It’s fine. His brain is what needs to work better for us to run the table.

 

[MovingZen]

Agreed, and to add to this, we don’t utilize play action nearly enough. I think we use it less than 30%.

You would think a team like ours that wants to grind teams into dust with 2.8 yards and a cloud of dust would use it often to at least make teams think.

Agreed.. make them think and slow them down. How the **** is the rb supposed to get anywhere when there's already 16 other guys in the phone booth.

 

[twes.305]

Beck needs to play better, but if the offense plays a good defense I expect them to struggle bc the run game can’t be relied on and will make the O 1 dimensional.

 

[jmiller]

stubborn and meat head. dawsons been okay as an OC so far but he also is handcuffed in the run game. the run game is the same as ti was in oregon. hes given the scheme and he makes it work. when we had cam who would change the calls and the D couldnt bear down on the line bc of cam, it worked fine. when we have beck who teams are gonna want to see him beat them, its gonna look like FSU lville and sometimes it works (FSU) and sometimes it doesnt (Lville). reality is that beck isnt a good QB. he cant make the right reads and he doesnt have a big arm. the other thing is that beck cant read the RPO well. at this point, there is enough bad tape out there on beck to know he isnt getting drafted very high if at all. i expect somewhere in the 7th round like ewers. maybe that forces him to take the check downs more and force the D to cover underneath

He's not handcuffed , thats just another Cane myth. Here's two videos to watch to educate yourself.



Go to the 36:00 minute mark of this interview with Hal Mumme the godfather of the air raid discuss the run game in the air raid he taught Dawson and youll see why we have the same running plays.

 

[Hurracanes]

Even gino toretta was taking shots at mario and the stupid run dives today on sports talk. I’ll be honest i didnt read anything you wrote cuz i dnt want to distract from the insane thoughts, that we cant bleeping adjust our bleeping run game.

He’s not the only former player who criticized the running game. Everyone is talking about it. From former players, to high end boosters to even opponent fans. Unfortunately, the few who aren’t in agreement with this criticism are the more important people.

 

[Astcloud11]

I agree penalties are killing the ability to run, but YTD Miami is in the A gap far more than more successful running offenses. In fact, the thing IU, Ark, Ore and TT have in common is that the majority of the yards from their running games is coming from outside so they choose to run there. While Miami is getting 59% of its yards in between the tackles, I can't help but wonder if it would be less if they ran outside. It would also explain the lack of explosiveness in the Offense.
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Howd you get the numbers? I'm curious to dive deeper;
-Comparing these numbers to previous year's of Cristobal's offense, versus Alabama trends when he was coaching there.
-Comparing these numbers throughout Alex Mirabal's coaching background
-Game by game breakdowns to see how many games we had a good performance with mainly A instead of D gap runs, or if we have any trend breakers that leads to higher outlier performances