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filmcane

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If you've seen the movie money ball, you get the concept. I feel like our DL will be one of the better DL's in the ACC and country this year for a number of factors (primarily excellent coordinators and coaching), but also, the sum total of the players who've transferred onto the DL will result in very good outcomes. In other words, we may not yet have an DL (I just mean someone playing at that level right now), but the combo and depth of the players we now have on the DL will give us the aggregate results we need.

Thoughts...?
 
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I disagree

We have some elite talent on the DL that is being supplemented by more elite proven talent.

See LT and Mesidor as examples.

We also have aged depth. The DL was question mark and now I believe it is a strength and will significantly mask the deficiencies at LB. I do however believe LB will be a significantly improved position as well.

We will find up at Texas A&M very quickly. If we can stifle their running game 8&4 has problems.
 
filmcane said:
If you've seen the movie money ball, you get the concept. I feel like our DL will be one of the better DL's in the ACC and country this year for a number of factors (primarily excellent coordinators and coaching), but also, the sum total of the players who've transferred onto the DL will result in very good outcomes. In other words, we may not yet have an DL (I just mean someone playing at that level right now), but the combo and depth of the players we now have on the DL will give us the aggregate results we need.

Thoughts...?
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We replaced John Ford, McCloud, DeAndre Johnson, and Silvera with Lichtenstein, Moultrie, Agude, Messidor, and Darrell Jackson + another year of development for LT, JHH, and Miller.

I get what you’re saying but we’re not exactly replacing Giambi and Johnny Damon
 
Agree. We have a legit 3 deep, where dudes running 1s last year could now be with the 3s.

They brought in a good mix of high floor (Mesidor, Jackson) and high ceiling (Agude) players, and everyone should be fresh rotating in and out.

I’m expecting a noticeable jump from the edges specifically with JT and Rod Wright.

I liked Simpson a lot but felt his impact was usually more at the iDL and we’ll be better on the outside now.
 
If this is some sort of elaborate way of getting your nephew with the Econ major a job on staff at this U, well it is nice of you to try.
 
Hegemon said:
I disagree

We have some elite talent on the DL that is being supplemented by more elite proven talent.

See LT and Mesidor as examples.

We also have aged depth. The DL was question mark and now I believe it is a strength and will significantly mask the deficiencies at LB. I do however believe LB will be a significantly improved position as well.

We will find up at Texas A&M very quickly. If we can stifle their running game 8&4 has problems.
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I agree that we have some guys with elite potential and the overall improvement with the D will make them look better and give the guys with high ceilings the ability to shine.
 
I’m not drinking the KoolAid. I respect D$ and what they bring to the board but every year he tells us we’re looking great in camp when we’re playing our own players. My concern is a lack of NFL talent and some redundancy in body types and skillsets.

There’s reasons to think the redundancy is actually switchability. It could be. Agude could be a legit edge guy. Harvey could take a step. Kelly could be ready. Taylor would be the guy that could really change things but we haven’t heard a word about him in spring or fall. But my gut is that we have 10 guys who are fine as opposed to two who are problems. Again, plenty of reasons why I could end up being wrong
 
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TC@neTC said:
Agree. We have a legit 3 deep, where dudes running 1s last year could now be with the 3s.

They brought in a good mix of high floor (Mesidor, Jackson) and high ceiling (Agude) players, and everyone should be fresh rotating in and out.

I’m expecting a noticeable jump from the edges specifically with JT and Rod Wright.

I liked Simpson a lot but felt his impact was usually more at the iDL and we’ll be better on the outside now.
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Coaching will make a huge difference this year, having 3 coaches involved versus Simpson who was always on 1 knee looking around and never correcting the young men during drills. Really liked Simpson the first time at Miami but he seemed to lose his passion or energy last year.
 
filmcane said:
If you've seen the movie money ball, you get the concept. I feel like our DL will be one of the better DL's in the ACC and country this year for a number of factors (primarily excellent coordinators and coaching), but also, the sum total of the players who've transferred onto the DL will result in very good outcomes. In other words, we may not yet have an DL (I just mean someone playing at that level right now), but the combo and depth of the players we now have on the DL will give us the aggregate results we need.

Thoughts...?
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Walk us through how you are applying the moneyball (analytics) concepts here.

- Whose enabling sacks?
- Whose getting sacks?
- Whose enabling disruption on interior?
- Whose getting a hat/paw on RB and stopping them?

What were the additives that replaced the losses in all above?

They gotta prove it.
 
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TC@neTC said:
Agree. We have a legit 3 deep, where dudes running 1s last year could now be with the 3s.

They brought in a good mix of high floor (Mesidor, Jackson) and high ceiling (Agude) players, and everyone should be fresh rotating in and out.

I’m expecting a noticeable jump from the edges specifically with JT and Rod Wright.

I liked Simpson a lot but felt his impact was usually more at the iDL and we’ll be better on the outside now.
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I think you can throw Agude into the high floor mix as well as being a high ceiling guy. Agude had 10 TFL, had a season high of 10 tackles in a game, and had over 5 tackles each of the first 5 games of the season, and had 4 forced fumbles. Shows a guy who at worst is a ACC 3rd team or HM and if he can keep those numbers up as well as start pinning his ears back and get after the QB in obvious passing downs which is a trademark of Steele’s defenses and put it 8+ sacks he’s a 1st/2nd team guy.
 
561Cane said:
We have more bodies and much better coaches. Should be top 3 DL in ACC…1. Clemson 2. Pitt 3. Canes
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Only miss we had on our coaching staff was Getting Partridge on this staff. His ability over the years to consistently have a top 10-15 DL in the country while being able to recruit mostly 3 stars to Pitt but finding so many underrated SFL DL over the years is phenomenal. He has discovered Sheard, Greg Romeus, Calijah Kancey, and Rashad Weaver just from SFL.
 
TC@neTC said:
Agree. We have a legit 3 deep, where dudes running 1s last year could now be with the 3s.

They brought in a good mix of high floor (Mesidor, Jackson) and high ceiling (Agude) players, and everyone should be fresh rotating in and out.

I’m expecting a noticeable jump from the edges specifically with JT and Rod Wright.

I liked Simpson a lot but felt his impact was usually more at the iDL and we’ll be better on the outside now.
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This might be a bit unfair. I overall liked your post a lot. The one thing about our DEs forever, they get held all the ******* time. The flags almost never came. I expect this year to be even better bc the DL as a whole has nice Swag! Look at Kelly making a splash now. I expect Damon to do the same thing next fall at Miami or wherever he goes.
 
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