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Monday Recruiting Chatter - 12/17

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I think Bogle comes here based on some things I have been told. Gonna need a huge pu$h from Bama to loose him
 
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PittsburghCane said:
Recruiting is bad, like you said, because we had decommits (10 of which I believe were either pushed out or not really takes) and because the players that push us up all commit this and next month.
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If a coaching staff is pushing out that many players from a recruiting class, then their evaluations are utterly atrocious far more often than not. Which is yet another indictment of how terribly this staff handles recruiting.

Of the 15 decommits we've already had, the staff clearly wanted more than half of those who have left: Dent, Crowley, Solomon, Hunter, Nunn, Brownlee, Tarquin, and Eguakin. Probably Cunningham as well.
 
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Stefan Adams said:
Miami had over 20 official visitors this weekend, which may have been the largest recruiting weekend in terms of official visitors in Miami history. About half of those were current commits that are all locked in with the Canes, so for this update, I’m going to focus just on the targets that were on campus: S Tyrique Stevenson, DE Khris Bogle, TE Keon Zipperer, DE Lloyd Summerall, WR John Dunmore, OT Adam ElGammal, S Martin Emerson, and DT Jared Harrison-Hunte, in addition to transfer targets RB Asa Martin and OT Tommy Kennedy.


**On Stevenson: The visit went very well for Stevenson and I’m told Miami still feels they have a great shot to land him, but I did not hear the one thing I was looking to hear. The one key for getting Stevenson to Miami has always been getting his mom on board with UM, as she’s been steering him to UGA for a while now. So that’s really what I wanted to hear about after the visit: How does mom feel about UM now? While I’m told she did love the visit, she still wants her son at UGA. Things could change in the next few days as we hit the home stretch, and I’ll keep my ear to the ground, but that’s why I can’t feel comfortable picking Miami as of right now.


**On Bogle: The Canes also feel confident on signing Bogle, but with Kayvon Thibodeau now at Oregon, the Cardinal Gibbons star is going to get the full court press by Alabama. I still have Miami out in front, and the good news is that the dead period will be in effect from now until Bogle makes his decision on Jan. 5th, so Alabama won’t be able to get him on campus or have any kind of face-to-face contact. However, when Nick Saban is involved, it’s never over, so we’ll continue to monitor and see if anything develops further with Bogle and the Tide.


**On Zipperer and Summerall: The buzz here had been trending in Miami’s direction for a few weeks now, but like I’ve alluded to in the past, I believe the Lakeland duo are misleading people as to their intentions to drum up suspense for their announcement and it will be hard to really get an accurate read on this recruitment. For what it’s worth, one source close to Summerall that previously felt that Miami was out in front changed their tune this weekend and is now telling me the pick is likely to be UF.


**On Dunmore: Sources close to Dunmore told me early last week that he was set to Penn State and wouldn’t take any other visits. However, Dunmore ended up making the visit to UM this weekend against the protests of the Penn State coaching staff; James Franklin came for an in-home visit with Dunmore to specifically try and convince him not to visit Miami. I’m told Dunmore loved his UM visit and is now torn as to what his final decision should be. While I’d still pick Penn State until hearing otherwise, the Nittany Lions’ staff has to be feeling a little nervous at this point.


**On Kennedy and Martin: As I said last week, sources felt good that Kennedy and Martin would be Hurricanes and I picked UM for both. I have heard nothing coming out of the weekend to make me change my mind on that.


**On ElGammal: Like I said in Zion Nelson’s commitment post last week, I’m still not sure ElGammal is a take for Miami now that Nelson is a part of the class, although I know ElGammal would love to be. Since he’s not signing early as of now, Miami has a little more time to make that decision.


**On Emerson: This is a two-team race between Miami and Mississippi State and Emerson isn’t signing early, which only aids UM in their flip efforts. Emerson told CIS that he feels making his primary recruiter (coach Ephraim Banda) the new co-DC at Miami actually increased UM’s chances to land him. I’d put it at 50-50 right now that Emerson ends up a Hurricane, with the momentum currently residing with Miami.


**On Harrison-Hunte: While Harrison-Hunte enjoyed his visit, a source close to the recruitment is not confident in Miami’s chances here, but says the Canes are still in the game. The good thing is that Miami still has a chance to make up more ground, as Harrison-Hunte isn’t signing until February as of now.


**A little bonus: on 3-star corner John Dixon, I was told by a source that Miami does not expect him in this class and has begun preparing contingency plans. UM is evaluating Colquitt County (GA) 3-star corner Jay Ward for an offer; Ward is currently not planning on signing early, and has only taken one official visit so far (to LSU). FSU got involved with the 6’1” 175 pound prospect just last week, and Ward also has other offers from Ohio State, Kentucky, and WVU. It’s too early to tell if Ward will be receptive to Miami interest or not.
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So overpromoting the 2 worst DC hires aint sealing the deal?
 
01Canes said:
If a coaching staff is pushing out that many players from a recruiting class, then their evaluations are utterly atrocious far more often than not. Which is yet another indictment of how terribly this staff handles recruiting.

Of the 15 decommits we've already had, the staff clearly wanted more than half of those who have left: Dent, Crowley, Solomon, Hunter, Nunn, Brownlee, Tarquin, and Eguakin. Probably Cunningham as well.
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Yea, when he said 10 of the guys that weren't really takes I wonder if he actually looked at the list of the players or not.
 
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stb said:
"While I’m told she did love the visit, she still wants her son at UGA. "
Some of these mothers in all due respect feel they can keep a kid from trouble by getting him out of the area. In reality if you are destine to find trouble you can find it in Idaho, Montana, etc.
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I agree, If you are looking for trouble you are going to find it ANYWHERE.
 
Torocane said:
Yes and that’s the point.
You don’t deny yourself the opportunity to hire the best DC available in a short sighted attempt to save this class. A class that was fvcked anyway.
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I don’t know if they are the right guys or not but it was definitely a short sighted attempt to save this class. If Richt was a “upper echelon CEO” and he really thought this was the best move, he would have been proactive. He would have released a statement on the Wednesday when it was all but a done deal that Manny was leaving essentially saying “we don’t know if it’s going to happen or not but if it does we have a contingency plan in place”.

Then the moment Manny informs them he’s leaving, he would have announced Banda and Patke were taking over. Instead he has no plan in place, announces they are hiring a National Search Firm, which if true should have been hired on the Monday when Manny interviewed to get a feel of available coaches, then only to panick when some decommitments start rolling in and promotes these guys. I still had hopes CMR could be an effective HC in the role of CEO but effective CEO’s are proactive not reactive. The way he handled this situation, as well as many others this offseason give me little faith he can even be a mediocre CEO.
 
TRick72 said:
I don’t know if they are the right guys or not but it was definitely a short sighted attempt to save this class. If Richt was a “upper echelon CEO” and he really thought this was the best move, he would have been proactive. He would have released a statement on the Wednesday when it was all but a done deal that Manny was leaving essentially saying “we don’t know if it’s going to happen or not but if it does we have a contingency plan in place”.

Then the moment Manny informs them he’s leaving, he would have announced Banda and Patke were taking over. Instead he has no plan in place, announces they are hiring a National Search Firm, which if true should have been hired on the Monday when Manny interviewed to get a feel of available coaches, then only to panick when some decommitments start rolling in and promotes these guys. I still had hopes CMR could be an effective HC in the role of CEO but effective CEO’s are proactive not reactive. The way he handled this situation, as well as many others this offseason give me little faith he can even be a mediocre CEO.
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Well said, any good leader in a management position should always have a short list of replacements for the jobs they supervise. In this case, Richt should have had 3-5 names ready to go and begin interviewing especially knowing Diaz was going to be a hot commodity.
 
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01Canes said:
If a coaching staff is pushing out that many players from a recruiting class, then their evaluations are utterly atrocious far more often than not. Which is yet another indictment of how terribly this staff handles recruiting.

Of the 15 decommits we've already had, the staff clearly wanted more than half of those who have left: Dent, Crowley, Solomon, Hunter, Nunn, Brownlee, Tarquin, and Eguakin. Probably Cunningham as well.
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Fans say give out more offers. Coaches give out more offers. Coaches push out commits of extra offers that they wouldn't usally offer otherwise. Complain with out context, complain after the fact.
 
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orange&green84 said:
You're probably right. But if I take my car into a mechanic for a brake change, and when I leave my car doesn't stop when I press the brakes. I don't need to be a mechanic to recognize that something's wrong.
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Cars =/= running a multi million dollar program with teenagers.
 
**On Bogle: The Canes also feel confident on signing Bogle, but with Kayvon Thibodeau now at Oregon, the Cardinal Gibbons star is going to get the full court press by Alabama. I still have Miami out in front, and the good news is that the dead period will be in effect from now until Bogle makes his decision on Jan. 5th, so Alabama won’t be able to get him on campus or have any kind of face-to-face contact. However, when Nick Saban is involved, it’s never over, so we’ll continue to monitor and see if anything develops further with Bogle and the Tide.

Last I checked, the dead period doesn't apply to bag dropping or Dodge Charger deliveries. Or did they change that rule recently and I just didn't hear about it?

**On Stevenson: The visit went very well for Stevenson and I’m told Miami still feels they have a great shot to land him, but I did not hear the one thing I was looking to hear. The one key for getting Stevenson to Miami has always been getting his mom on board with UM, as she’s been steering him to UGA for a while now. So that’s really what I wanted to hear about after the visit: How does mom feel about UM now? While I’m told she did love the visit, she still wants her son at UGA. Things could change in the next few days as we hit the home stretch, and I’ll keep my ear to the ground, but that’s why I can’t feel comfortable picking Miami as of right now.

Bags. Until/unless we match UGA's financial package, there is no chance, nor has there ever been a chance (short of us having an 11-1 season), that TS will land at Miami.

This stuff isn't that hard to figure out once you've been paying attention for a few years.
 
orange&green84 said:
Let's see.....

- Nepotism - hiring a QB coach that doesn't have a resume to be a Div1 QB coach. Yet he's in charge of QB development
- Archaic scheme - Richt identified that his plays worked 30 years ago and that it's the players not executing that's the problems. Golden did the same exact thing at Miami with his defense where it took every single person executing his defense for it to work. Golden ran an archaic scheme that didn't fit the talent that exists in Miami. Richt runs outdated concepts that has been mentioned ad nauseam on this board as well as dissected by @Roman Marciante . Also, watch the GT game and you'll see Dan Orlovsky go in dry on Richt's offense. Also, I'd advise you watch the bowl game because Orlovsky's going to call that game as well; willing to bet he makes mention of Richt's archaic offense again.
- Recruiting practices are horrid at Miami. This staff consistently doesn't know how to read recruits and is consistently found unprepared and scrambling. They think that kids won't look around and don't continue to recruit the position. They get a commit, and shut recruiting down for that position.
- Coaches calling out players. Thomas Brown calling players cancers, which of whom you actually recruited is a huge indictment on the staff. Those are your guys and you foster the locker room environment.
- Lackluster hires and an unwillingness to evaluate the program: Patke and Banda were hires specifically to help salvage a (already dwindling) recruiting class. These kids that are so happy Banda's going to remain on staff as a co-DC, will be the same ones that likely go elsewhere. Richt has consistently had porous special teams and lack of development on the OL. Waiting to see what we do with the extra staff position and if ST duties are handed over to the new staff member. But Searles still has a job, he shouldn't. And the extra staff position should be going to a full fledged OC.
- Playing experience over talent: We saw Knowles getting snaps over Hall at the beginning of the year. We saw Rosier get a much longer leash than Perry; we didn't even get a chance to see Williams get snaps this season outside of Savannah State. Richt mismanaged the QB room as much as any coach in the nation. He didn't even take advantage of the new red-shirt rule.

Shall I go on?
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Thanks for the insight.
 
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