Miami will struggle becoming elite..

[DTP]

Yeah, but the difference is that Miami isn't losing top level players early like Bama, Ohio State*, and Clemson.

Miami is losing guys early that go in the late rounds or go undrafted. It's ridiculous.

Even better. They're easily replaced.

 

[StoneWallLoungeCane]

Yeah, but the difference is that Miami isn't losing top level players early like Bama, Ohio State*, and Clemson.

Miami is losing guys early that go in the late rounds or go undrafted. It's ridiculous.

Even better. They're easily replaced.

All ACC players are not “easily replaced.” Next year, we will have Bandy, Young, and Dean as our experienced corners. That’s terrible depth.

 

[DTP]

2017 NFL Draft: 28 of 95 early entry prospects go undrafted - NFL.com

Here's a list of early entries that didn't get drafted in 2017. It's not just a Miami problem. Kids all over the nation overvalue their own stock and get suckered by agents or other leaches trying to cash in.

 

[DTP]

Yeah, but the difference is that Miami isn't losing top level players early like Bama, Ohio State*, and Clemson.

Miami is losing guys early that go in the late rounds or go undrafted. It's ridiculous.

Even better. They're easily replaced.

All ACC players are not “easily replaced.” Next year, we will have Bandy, Young, and Dean as our experienced corners. That’s terrible depth.

Yup and this year we had Young as the only returnee with experience. You don't build depth in one recruiting cycle. It takes a little while.
Besides, what team in college football regularly returns four experienced corners every year? It's impossible. Even if nobody leaves early.

Look, I'm not saying I think jackson should leave. I think he'd be smart to stick around another season. All I'm saying is the "woe is me, Miami can't ever get good if players leave early" mindset is complete garbage.

 

[mackjones]

My general rule is if you’re a 1/2 rounder, go get that money and ball out.

If you’re a 3/4 rounder, you should come back unless there is a family situation or desperate financial situation (which I’m sure there are “resources” to help these kids)

If you’re a 5/6/7 rounder, get your *** back here.

The only one that has any business thinking of leaving is RJ. Even him, another year of Kool and another year of good film will put him into mid first round territory.


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I believe Thee Big Mac will be either a LATE 2nd Round or 3rd Round NFL selection. The man can even play DE at the other level. hUh.

 

[Texxcane]

Yeah, but the difference is that Miami isn't losing top level players early like Bama, Ohio State*, and Clemson.

Miami is losing guys early that go in the late rounds or go undrafted. It's ridiculous.

That's crazy if the case, I always thought that if you were not getting first round money its best to stay, build up your stock, AND, and its an important and. Get your degree, you cant play forever

 

[BigDikCane]

Clemson sends a million guys to the league every year and they don't experience a drop-off. It just takes time to build.

It took Dabo 5 years to win it all tho...

 

[ddann]

Yeah, but the difference is that Miami isn't losing top level players early like Bama, Ohio State*, and Clemson.

Miami is losing guys early that go in the late rounds or go undrafted. It's ridiculous.

Even better. They're easily replaced.

No, they're not easily replaced. Not when you only have 71 scholarship players to start with. That means you're gonna have to trot out even more true freshmen than we saw this year during meaningful minutes.

I don't care how talented those freshmen are. That is NOT a recipe for success.

 

[DTP]

Yeah, but the difference is that Miami isn't losing top level players early like Bama, Ohio State*, and Clemson.

Miami is losing guys early that go in the late rounds or go undrafted. It's ridiculous.

Even better. They're easily replaced.

No, they're not easily replaced. Not when you only have 71 scholarship players to start with. That means you're gonna have to trot out even more true freshmen than we saw this year during meaningful minutes.

I don't care how talented those freshmen are. That is NOT a recipe for success.

We had one true freshman play meaningful minutes at cornerback in 2017. That was with only one returning player with experience. Next year, even if Jackson doesn't return, there will be three returning corners with experience. Bandy, Young and Dean. That's more returning experience at corner than most teams. Every team experiences attrition. That's why recruiting is so important. It's college football, even the best teams have inexperienced players. Look at Bama's defense this year. They had to play multiple freshman at linebacker and they're as deep as it gets.

 

[ddann]

Yeah, but the difference is that Miami isn't losing top level players early like Bama, Ohio State*, and Clemson.

Miami is losing guys early that go in the late rounds or go undrafted. It's ridiculous.

Even better. They're easily replaced.

No, they're not easily replaced. Not when you only have 71 scholarship players to start with. That means you're gonna have to trot out even more true freshmen than we saw this year during meaningful minutes.

I don't care how talented those freshmen are. That is NOT a recipe for success.

We had one true freshman play meaningful minutes at cornerback in 2017. That was with only one returning player with experience. Next year, even if Jackson doesn't return, there will be three returning corners with experience. Bandy, Young and Dean. That's more returning experience at corner than most teams. Every team experiences attrition. That's why recruiting is so important. It's college football, even the best teams have inexperienced players. Look at Bama's defense this year. They had to play multiple freshman at linebacker and they're as deep as it gets.

Yeah, and again, that's the difference between Bama and Miami. Bama suffers injuries and they replace a 5-star with another 5-star and they still make the playoff.

Miami suffers injuries and you see the results.

Young got toasted down the stretch of the season and Dean has shown nothing to this point. And who can you plug in when they don't play well or if someone gets injured? Good luck.

Guys leaving early to get drafted in the late rounds (or not at all) has a huge impact on Miami's ability to be successful right now.

 

[DTP]

Yeah, but the difference is that Miami isn't losing top level players early like Bama, Ohio State*, and Clemson.

Miami is losing guys early that go in the late rounds or go undrafted. It's ridiculous.

Even better. They're easily replaced.

No, they're not easily replaced. Not when you only have 71 scholarship players to start with. That means you're gonna have to trot out even more true freshmen than we saw this year during meaningful minutes.

I don't care how talented those freshmen are. That is NOT a recipe for success.

We had one true freshman play meaningful minutes at cornerback in 2017. That was with only one returning player with experience. Next year, even if Jackson doesn't return, there will be three returning corners with experience. Bandy, Young and Dean. That's more returning experience at corner than most teams. Every team experiences attrition. That's why recruiting is so important. It's college football, even the best teams have inexperienced players. Look at Bama's defense this year. They had to play multiple freshman at linebacker and they're as deep as it gets.

Yeah, and again, that's the difference between Bama and Miami. Bama suffers injuries and they replace a 5-star with another 5-star and they still make the playoff.

Miami suffers injuries and you see the results.

Young got toasted down the stretch of the season and Dean has shown nothing to this point.Michael Jackson had shown exactly zero skills before 2017 And who can you plug in when they don't play well or if someone gets injured? That's why the incoming freshman class has at least 3 cornerbacks who will get playing time right away. It's not the 90's 4 and 5 star freshmen play these days.Good luck.

Guys leaving early to get drafted in the late rounds (or not at all) has a huge impact on Miami's ability to be successful right now.

You're making assumptions about next season while completely ignoring results from previous seasons. Besides Young, had anybody at corner shown any prior ability? Nope but guys get coached up (Jackson) and incoming freshmen play well (Bandy). The secondary entering the 2016 season was exactly the same. We had one returner in Elder and a bunch of questions. We had young guys step up and veterans improve their game. You're never going to have experienced depth at every single position in college football.

Michael Jackson declaring early will not have a huge impact on Miami ability to improve and win in the short or long term. Guys leave. Some should stay longer but they don't. It's not just here where this happens. The good teams plan for it and don't worry about it.

 

[Dwinstitles]

Miami will struggle to become elite if its backyard gets plucked by top schools simple, its always been that way. Get the best players in sfla and u will win, if u dont u lose simple

 

[ddann]

Even better. They're easily replaced.

No, they're not easily replaced. Not when you only have 71 scholarship players to start with. That means you're gonna have to trot out even more true freshmen than we saw this year during meaningful minutes.

I don't care how talented those freshmen are. That is NOT a recipe for success.

We had one true freshman play meaningful minutes at cornerback in 2017. That was with only one returning player with experience. Next year, even if Jackson doesn't return, there will be three returning corners with experience. Bandy, Young and Dean. That's more returning experience at corner than most teams. Every team experiences attrition. That's why recruiting is so important. It's college football, even the best teams have inexperienced players. Look at Bama's defense this year. They had to play multiple freshman at linebacker and they're as deep as it gets.

Yeah, and again, that's the difference between Bama and Miami. Bama suffers injuries and they replace a 5-star with another 5-star and they still make the playoff.

Miami suffers injuries and you see the results.

Young got toasted down the stretch of the season and Dean has shown nothing to this point.Michael Jackson had shown exactly zero skills before 2017 And who can you plug in when they don't play well or if someone gets injured? That's why the incoming freshman class has at least 3 cornerbacks who will get playing time right away. It's not the 90's 4 and 5 star freshmen play these days.Good luck.

Guys leaving early to get drafted in the late rounds (or not at all) has a huge impact on Miami's ability to be successful right now.

You're making assumptions about next season while completely ignoring results from previous seasons. Besides Young, had anybody at corner shown any prior ability? Nope but guys get coached up (Jackson) and incoming freshmen play well (Bandy). The secondary entering the 2016 season was exactly the same. We had one returner in Elder and a bunch of questions. We had young guys step up and veterans improve their game. You're never going to have experienced depth at every single position in college football.

Michael Jackson declaring early will not have a huge impact on Miami ability to improve and win in the short or long term. Guys leave. Some should stay longer but they don't. It's not just here where this happens. The good teams plan for it and don't worry about it.

Yeah, the good teams plan for it and don't worry about it. My point is that Miami is not currently in that position. When your roster is stacked it doesn't matter if guys leave early when they have no business leaving early. But when you're short on scholarship players to begin with, it hurts.

 

[StoneWallLoungeCane]

Yeah, but the difference is that Miami isn't losing top level players early like Bama, Ohio State*, and Clemson.

Miami is losing guys early that go in the late rounds or go undrafted. It's ridiculous.

Even better. They're easily replaced.

All ACC players are not “easily replaced.” Next year, we will have Bandy, Young, and Dean as our experienced corners. That’s terrible depth.

Yup and this year we had Young as the only returnee with experience. You don't build depth in one recruiting cycle. It takes a little while.
Besides, what team in college football regularly returns four experienced corners every year? It's impossible. Even if nobody leaves early.

Look, I'm not saying I think jackson should leave. I think he'd be smart to stick around another season. All I'm saying is the "woe is me, Miami can't ever get good if players leave early" mindset is complete garbage.

What are you even talking about? No clue where you’re going with this post. The “mindset” is complete garbage because....?

How do you suppose Miami gets out of the cycle of needing to recruit transfers and JUCO kids if Miami can hardly get any marginally draftable kids to stay for 4 years?

 

[hoover437]

Ohio State, LSU, Bama, FSU, USC when they were good, Texas when they were good, us when we were good etc had a bunch of juniors leave early. 24 out of 32 picks were underclassmen I doubt all of them had 2-3 years of tape.

CIS the only place where everyone should redshirt and everyone should be 5th year seniors otherwise Miami can not compete.

YOur statement is a nice one, but we are not the same program yet, as those you mentioned. Kids from those elite/very good programs are not leaving to be late-round/undrafted free agents! Our kids act like they are in some boring country town, not one of top cities in the world!!! All the best to the young man if he leaves. Happy JJ is coming back though, his leadership will be priceless.

 

[deleted7012]

Of course we're gonna struggle to become elite! If it were easy, everybody would be elite!

 

[Cajuncane]

Problem is when our guys leave early to become a 4-5th round pick we are putting freshmen RS freshmen that aren’t ready mentally or physically back into their place whereas the Bama’s And OSU’s are putting a 4-5 star RS sophomores or jr back because they’ve been able to RS their whole classes.

We’ve had to play all of our freshmen due to depth issues.Once Richt gets this corrected it won’t be as bad as it seems now because we will be replacing kids that leave,whether early or not,with experienced physically ready players not kids right out of HS.

 

[OBLIVION]

Why does everyone think coming back is better for every player? Just because you put more on film doesn't mean you are going to be better. Mike Jack played well in the middle of the season and tailed off some later in the year. Coming back doesn't mean you are going to improve your draft stock. I mean look at Delaney, his stock has dropped dramatically for coming back this year. Mike Jack's stock is hot right now, smart move IMO if he left. Yes he would help our team if he stayed, but looking at whats best for him.

My reasoning for them coming back has little to do with improving draft stock and more to do with improving this program.

Sure if you are a 1st rd go, but to be a 4th rd pick, come on.

You helped get this program to it's 1st ACC title game. How bout you win the next and maybe in doing so you improve your skills.

 

[OBLIVION]

The dudes in here hammering the long run speech. Will be the 1st to start threads to fire the staff next year if the win total drops.

There is a drop off from Norton and RJ and IDC care how much potential Willis has. He hasn't done it on a regular. Nor is there any guarantee he even plays.

DL play is what makes the rest of the D look good. Losing Thomas, Harris, RJ and Norton will be felt

 

[gruntking]

Miami will struggle to become elite if its backyard gets plucked by top schools simple, its always been that way. Get the best players in sfla and u will win, if u dont u lose simple

Right... it's like the stock market. If you are making good investments today with good vetted stocks, in the long run you win.