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If our JR's decide to go pro for their senior season it will be a mistake (except Walton). Mike Jackson has no business going pro after 8 games of film. Norton is another player who needs to get stronger, faster, and most importantly refine technique. RJ needs to do the same.

I understand these guys been dreaming about being a NFL player since they were 5 years old. I do. all the hard work, time, effort, all for the chance to be a pro... and they can be drafted or Free agent right now, and get a nice signing bonus. More money they have seen in their life. Possibly more than their family has seen for a person who recently is legal to drink at bars.

I'm 21 and having the chance to accomplish the goal, dream, the thing you've been wanting since you were 5 years old... it's possible to become reality in Next May, being on an NFL roster.. I get how these guys are leaning toward being pro.

At this age, it's hard to see the big picture sometimes. And when you get slick used car salesmen aka Agents in your ear good luck. Those guys can sell anything. We see it every year from every program, kids leaving early who have no business and end up not on a NFL team come august (Joe Yearby)...

Where is the mentor figures for these guys? I really don't know. Maybe it can be former players, parents, coaches, professors? someone should
All can use another year.. to my main point

Miami will struggle being elite playoff contenders if our Juniors keep leaving a year early to be a mid to late round pick. You can give me the reload argument, fine it works but give me actual in game experience and a guy who's 3+ years in a college weight room, coaching and conditioning over a highly rated recruit. We need players who are not sure fire top 3 round players to stay and develop in their senior seasons.
If not, Miami will likely struggle becoming a top playoff team every year
 
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Dwinstitles said:
Bama does it them boys 3 and out
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And they have plenty that stay

Mark Barron - R1
Chance Warmack - R1
CJ Mosley - R1
OJ Howard - R1
Ryan Anderson - R2
Rueben Foster - R1
Jonathan Allen - R1
Eddie Jackson - R4? He broke his leg senior year though
Tim Williams - R3, I believe
Kenyan Drake - R3
Reggie Ragland - R2

To name a few.
All guys who had great JUNIOR years and also won a Natty and game back. The guaranteed money is TREMENDOUSLY higher for a 1-2 than a 5-7. It’s almost millions to zero.

I agree with the OP. This has to stop.
 
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Elite programs go through this. Ask Bama or Ohio State how many underclassmen they lose every year.

I'd rather have our players put two or three years of elite film out there and bail after three years than four JAG-ish years.
 
RiDLer80 said:
I'd rather have our players put two or three years of elite film out there and bail after three years than four JAG-ish years.
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Well MJ has ONE year of good film not 2-3 of ELITE film, so where does he fit? Walton isn’t elite either, so..
 
htownkidd said:
RiDLer80 said:
I'd rather have our players put two or three years of elite film out there and bail after three years than four JAG-ish years.
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Well MJ has ONE year of good film not 2-3 of ELITE film, so where does he fit? Walton isn’t elite either, so..
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So did Malik Hooker. If you're getting drafted in the first two rounds; leave.

Our problem is that this staff got their hands on our players too late to get all the elite play out of them that we should have gotten.
 
It is a mistake for Michael Jackson. He had a good year but he may be a late round pick (at best) this year because of his limited starting experience. He would likely go significantly higher and be more NFL ready if he spends another year prepping at Miami. It simply is not that great to barely get drafted and barely make a roster and then get bounced from the league after 1-2 years. $150,000-$250,000 seems like a lot of money until you look at the net take home pay after Agent's fees and taxes (which takes over half of that so the net is probably $75-125k). After living expenses, they would rip through the rest very quickly and have nothing leaving the league if they enter unprepared and get bounced quickly. The NFL is seriously hard for average-good college players to break into (and have a sustained career). Players should only enter early if they can get selected in round 4 or higher and their odds of sticking around for more than a cup of coffee are really good.
 
We won't become elite until all these Al golden players are gone. TBH, McIntosh and Norton are the only guys I care whether they leave or not because Norton takes 2 blockers which frees up McIntosh to be such a play maker at DT.
 
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Ohio State, LSU, Bama, FSU, USC when they were good, Texas when they were good, us when we were good etc had a bunch of juniors leave early. 24 out of 32 picks were underclassmen I doubt all of them had 2-3 years of tape.

CIS the only place where everyone should redshirt and everyone should be 5th year seniors otherwise Miami can not compete.
 
Op point is yeah those program have people leave, usually it’s to be a high round pick.

If Jonathan Allen can come back for senior year why cant norton?

Mark Richt specifically talked about this prior to seSon.

He says he needs to have his juniors come back unless they are high picks.

He also talked s out how special it is to be a senior have that senior season.
 
I think it's less so the year the player is. It's more how many seasons of production they have. Mcintosh has 2 good seasons of tape(go nfl) as mike Jackson has only 1 season of tape(stay another season). Doesn't matter Jr. Or sr etc.
 
Maybe a player is scared that they won't have as good of a season as last. Kinda like Delaney probably had more nfl hype before he came to um.
 
Once we have the proper quality and depth across the roster, we'll be fine.

The '99 - '02 teams were losing top quality underclassmen too.

We were backfilling just fine until Coker ran out of Butch's players.
 
its a depth issue and we are constantly playing guys who need time to develop. its not next man up right now. last year we had to start 3 freshmen lb's, this year we had a ton of inexperience in the secondary. next year it will be the dl if those two leave. Same with the offense. Our best talent is young. we should be in a position that a kid like mike harley redshirts.
 
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MJ is crazy for talkin bout leaving early. Lol

Cmon kid - you barely have enough tape to get scouted properly
 
jkaz1 said:
Once we have the proper quality and depth across the roster, we'll be fine.

The '99 - '02 teams were losing top quality underclassmen too.

We were backfilling just fine until Coker ran out of Butch's players.
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But those kids were going in the first and second round.
 
King Slayer said:
Ohio State, LSU, Bama, FSU, USC when they were good, Texas when they were good, us when we were good etc had a bunch of juniors leave early. 24 out of 32 picks were underclassmen I doubt all of them had 2-3 years of tape.

CIS the only place where everyone should redshirt and everyone should be 5th year seniors otherwise Miami can not compete.
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We are talking about two kids who won't go higher than the 4th/5th round though.

You are talking about guys who go in the first or second round.
 
No Miami will struggle to be elite if we don't recruit and develop out talent property.

Eventually, our depth will be so deep that kids who aren't NFL ready won't be able to leave early because they will have no film since they weren't getting reps. And if kids do leave early we will have enough talent behind them to reload. This is what Bama and OSU are doing now. It what we use to do.
 
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