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Miami Needs To Rebrand With Recruits

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The U is still easily a Top5 brand in college football. What we need is our identity back. Bad Boys or bust. They say a team takes on the identity of their coach, hopefully we play with emotion like Manny D.
 
DTP said:
2017: Miami wins 10 games. Finishes with the #8 recruiting class
2018: Miami wins 7 games. Currently has #45 recruiting class and even a strong finish won't bump it into the top 25.

Win games, kids want to play here.
Lose games, kids don't want to play here.

Look, there's always going to be some kids who go elsewhere. Whether they're chasing bags or just want to move away. However, history has shown that winning seasons lead to better recruiting classes. It doesn't take 4 straight years of top 5 classes to be a ten win team. There's really no excuse for Miami, especially playing in the terrible ACC Coastal. Even recruiting at sub par standards, we still have better classes than everyone else in our division. (Not this season but over the last decade plus, we're heads and shoulders better than anybody in the Coastal)
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Not that simple. We had already built that top 2018 class before the season even started.
 
3GC said:
The Beach & Babes pitch will still attract recruits,, just the wrong ones..
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I disagree. The beach and babes is basically what got Jason Haselwood to even visit. Miami is a city for stars. The beach and babes will get them on campus we just need to close the deal.
 
Like Richt said, "Swagger comes from beating the man in front of you. " Love him or hate him, he was right.
 
DTP said:
2017: Miami wins 10 games. Finishes with the #8 recruiting class
2018: Miami wins 7 games. Currently has #45 recruiting class and even a strong finish won't bump it into the top 25.

Win games, kids want to play here.
Lose games, kids don't want to play here.

Look, there's always going to be some kids who go elsewhere. Whether they're chasing bags or just want to move away. However, history has shown that winning seasons lead to better recruiting classes. It doesn't take 4 straight years of top 5 classes to be a ten win team. There's really no excuse for Miami, especially playing in the terrible ACC Coastal. Even recruiting at sub par standards, we still have better classes than everyone else in our division. (Not this season but over the last decade plus, we're heads and shoulders better than anybody in the Coastal)
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Not entirely accurate. Recruiting classes are mostly build in the year(s) prior. Wins do help but it's the minority part of the equation, majority being bags. At least when it comes to blue chippers that's the case.
 
Canes1968 said:
Not that simple. We had already built that top 2018 class before the season even started.
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Actually, it really is that simple.
Finishing 2016 on a 5 game winning streak with a bowl victory got that class going. Going 10-0 to start the 2017 season sealed the deal on pretty much everyone they signed. Remember how awesome early signing day was last year? Almost every major target signed early besides a few names.

Finishing 2017 on a 3 game losing streak turned off a lot of potential 2019 recruits. Laying an egg to start the 2018 season and the subsequent suck fest afterwards just put the nail in the coffin.

There's no magic spiel or secret formula. Kids want to play for a winner.
 
D RevLee said:
Not entirely accurate. Recruiting classes are mostly build in the year(s) prior. Wins do help but it's the minority part of the equation, majority being bags. At least when it comes to blue chippers that's the case.
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So, you're saying that Miami was dropping bags for players last year but decided not to this year? Since winning isn't really that important.
 
WIN! 2020 Will be the 1st full class of freshmen that were born after the 5th championship. They're impressed with the teams that are winning now and if we're trying to put a wall around the tri-county area, they're not impressed by the beach either. WIN!
 
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Empirical Cane said:
Good article and strong points.

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/...op-relying-on-the-past-and-the-beach-10972833


"...Seemingly endless NFL players have attested to how great it is to be a Hurricane and South Beach's zero-point-zero inches of annual snowfall.

Kids used to eat that up. That recruiting pitch used to work. It doesn't anymore. Nobody cares — at least none of the top recruits Miami is trying to attract do..."


"...Young players across the country, for the most part, aren't going to be sold on the beach. They have Instagram. They'd much rather hear how the school will afford them enough snaps and chances for success that they might someday buy a house on the beach..."


"...Nick Saban and Alabama get you paid. Dabo Swinney and Clemson get you paid..."
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Yadda yadda yadda! We ain't getting a sole in here against the best teams if we don't win! Just win on the field and you win the recruiting battles! Nobody cares about advertising pitch!
 
TemplarCane said:
Manny first needs to win and generate excitement. The U almost had it after the ND game last year and a 10-0 record. Didn’t last obviously. Even the Turnover Chain seemed dated and stale last season.
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This is absolutely spot on. We don't lose that Pitt game and win against Wisconsin and at least recruiting goes in a different direction. Not that it matters because any momentum stopped dead in its tracks the minute Kosi was pulled in the Virginia game.
 
I honestly don't get it. We're not Temple or Duke, who have never done anything in CFB. I get that it's been awhile. It's been awhile for Texas and Michigan and USC too. The brand still lives and SFL loves the Canes.

I've been to enough college towns to know I don't like them much. Most of the big programs are relatively dumpy towns in the woods with small-ish local benefit of the money associated with collegiate jobs. Naturally, there are exceptions, but Gainesville and Tallahassee both SUCK and I'd never want to live in either. Very few college towns I'd rather live in than Miami.

Yeah, winning is great, but Clemson and Bama can't get every recruit. Lose those kids, fine, but we should not be losing recruits from the back yard to the likes of Florida, FSU, UGA, etc. Richt did a good job starting to mend ties with the community, but lots of damage was done by Coker/Shannon/Golden and we need to start winning to get any traction. Ten games and a bowl are not remotely unreasonable.
 
TimeB0mb said:
How different does everything turn out if Rick had actually prepared the team for the Pitt game? Would have gone into acc championship game #1 in country. Possible playoff team in year 2. I said it at the time it was the most impactful loss in recent memory.
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Clemson would routed the Canes regardless of the outcome of the Pitt game. Miami would have not been selected for the CFP.

IMO.
 
Empirical Cane said:
Good article and strong points.

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/...op-relying-on-the-past-and-the-beach-10972833


"...Seemingly endless NFL players have attested to how great it is to be a Hurricane and South Beach's zero-point-zero inches of annual snowfall.

Kids used to eat that up. That recruiting pitch used to work. It doesn't anymore. Nobody cares — at least none of the top recruits Miami is trying to attract do..."


"...Young players across the country, for the most part, aren't going to be sold on the beach. They have Instagram. They'd much rather hear how the school will afford them enough snaps and chances for success that they might someday buy a house on the beach..."


"...Nick Saban and Alabama get you paid. Dabo Swinney and Clemson get you paid..."
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So our beaches aren't elite?
 
TemplarCane said:
Clemson would routed the Canes regardless of the outcome of the Pitt game. Miami would have not been selected for the CFP.

IMO.
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Miami had an argument to get in with 1 loss. That Pitt loss took all the wind out of Miami's sails and had all the pundits laughing and pointing out that Miami was a paper tiger. They were waiting for us to fail and Rick accommodated them. No shame in losing to Clemson. But the energy was gone after the Pitt loss.
 
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TimeB0mb said:
Miami had an argument to get in with 1 loss. That Pitt loss took all the wind out of Miami's sails and had all the pundits laughing and pointing out that Miami was a paper tiger. They were waiting for us to fail and Rick accommodated them. No shame in losing to Clemson. But the energy was gone after the Pitt loss.
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A close loss to Clemson might allowed us in, but a blowout loss, no.
 
I don’t think even a close loss to Clemson would’ve gotten us in the CFP but a win in the Orange Bowl would’ve gone a long way to helping secure the 2019 recruiting class. That, and a better showing in the 2018 season opener against LSU. Suffice to say we’re caught now with our pants down scrambling to secure some semblance of a class for next season. It’s imparitive that Manny and staff get Miami over the hump, don’t put together 4 game losing streaks, and secure at worse 9 wins for the season. We do all of that, and win our bowl game, will carry the momentum we need to secure a Top 10 2020 class. The makings are already there, we’ve got to stop the bleeding at one bad year recruiting wise.
 
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