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Miami/ND analysis-prediction

TheOriginalCane said:
I'd say two things about your question.

First, while I strongly believe this is the best Miami board by far (I've been posting for over 25 years on multiple boards), we are not affiliated with Rivals-Scout-247-on3-ESPN-No3-ESPM, etc. And our posters don't usually know any good "non-affiliated" websites of our opponents if they are not on Rivals-247-on3.

Second, this tends to work both ways. We've had some ND fans (not you, of course) come here to tell us how the Miami fans are yapping, and yet that's not what I've seen on this board.

PS, we do sometimes have long-time running jokes, like we will soon have a "We Roll" thread that gets started. It's just a tradition around these parts.
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The best ND boards are usually paid boards. There are a ton of them too. I'm not sure if there's a free version, but the best one is Irish Sports Daily. There are also a few that are 'invite only', which really filters out the nonsense.
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
Agreed...I have a close ND friend who is like us on this board, maniacal, is on all the boards, has some connections to people close to the program, etc.

He told me almost everyone up there is very nervous about the QB situation, and by no means is anyone saying the competition took so long because both kids are elite. It's literally the exact opposite, neither kid did anything in camp to separate themselves and both were very up and down. From what he told me, the biggest question mark on their entire team is Carr. And not just because he's a redshirt freshman, but he flat-out did not play well in camp, but he was slightly better than an even worse Minchey, and they think he gives them the best chance to win. The rest of the roster is very good and they're confident in the kids they have replacing who they lost. Except at QB.

I think, if you compared position groups just to compare overall rosters and not how they will compete in the game, the biggest mismatch for Miami is at QB.
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Noah Grubbs will be starting for them next year as a true freshman
 
ND08Fan said:
Just curious - what boards are you reading? I'm not seeing this on any board I belong to. Most seem to think this is going to be a really tough game in a crazy environment. No one thinks the QB battle took so long because they're both elite. In fact, everyone was surprised both played so poorly. Everyone thinks if Carr can limit mistakes, ND has a really good chance to win. This isn't crazy because the roster is the best it's been, in terms of talent and depth, in 30 years.
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Watched some ND channels previewing the game on YouTube for a different perspective and read through the comments. And on X as well. That QB battle comment I’ve seen multiple times and heard from ND analysts on their YouTube channels.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Agreed...I have a close ND friend who is like us on this board, maniacal, is on all the boards, has some connections to people close to the program, etc.

He told me almost everyone up there is very nervous about the QB situation, and by no means is anyone saying the competition took so long because both kids are elite. It's literally the exact opposite, neither kid did anything in camp to separate themselves and both were very up and down. From what he told me, the biggest question mark on their entire team is Carr. And not just because he's a redshirt freshman, but he flat-out did not play well in camp, but he was slightly better than an even worse Minchey, and they think he gives them the best chance to win. The rest of the roster is very good and they're confident in the kids they have replacing who they lost. Except at QB.

I think, if you compared position groups just to compare overall rosters and not how they will compete in the game, the biggest mismatch for Miami is at QB.
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ND fan and I come in peace.

Fair assessment. The one nuance I’d add is that both QBs are talented, and Carr has some traits that could eventually allow him to develop into an elite QB. This isn’t like a few years back when Pyne and Buchner were competing - neither of those guys had any real chance to be anything better than average, much less elite.

These teams seem very even in the trenches so I don’t think either side is going to win by simply imposing its will and running for 200+ yards without some sort of passing game to open things up.

Of course, ND's plan isn’t going to hinge on Carr throwing them to victory, but I don’t think it’s as simple as hand the ball to Love, avoid turnovers and ND wins. Carr will have to hit a handful of throws in addition to limiting mistakes if ND is going to win.

Short yardage situations will be key for ND's offense. Leonard was automatic on 3rd and short or 4th and 1 last year - everyone in the stadium knew what was coming and still couldn’t stop it. ND doesn’t have that luxury this year, so it’ll be interesting to see how Denbrock schemes those downs and who they trust to move the chains.

Short yardage between the 40s is where I think it'll get really interesting. I think the expectation is ND will either hand it to Love or have Carr dink and dunk to the tight ends and backs, but I think they’ll be more aggressive in those spots and look to push the ball downfield, especially to the slot receivers. If he hits those throws and doesn't **** his pants, ND's chances of winning are good. If he ***** himself, Miami's chances of winning are better.
 
NBCOwnsUs said:
ND fan and I come in peace.

Fair assessment. The one nuance I’d add is that both QBs are talented, and Carr has some traits that could eventually allow him to develop into an elite QB. This isn’t like a few years back when Pyne and Buchner were competing - neither of those guys had any real chance to be anything better than average, much less elite.

These teams seem very even in the trenches so I don’t think either side is going to win by simply imposing its will and running for 200+ yards without some sort of passing game to open things up.

Of course, ND's plan isn’t going to hinge on Carr throwing them to victory, but I don’t think it’s as simple as hand the ball to Love, avoid turnovers and ND wins. Carr will have to hit a handful of throws in addition to limiting mistakes if ND is going to win.

Short yardage situations will be key for ND's offense. Leonard was automatic on 3rd and short or 4th and 1 last year - everyone in the stadium knew what was coming and still couldn’t stop it. ND doesn’t have that luxury this year, so it’ll be interesting to see how Denbrock schemes those downs and who they trust to move the chains.

Short yardage between the 40s is where I think it'll get really interesting. I think the expectation is ND will either hand it to Love or have Carr dink and dunk to the tight ends and backs, but I think they’ll be more aggressive in those spots and look to push the ball downfield, especially to the slot receivers. If he hits those throws and doesn't **** his pants, ND's chances of winning are good. If he ***** himself, Miami's chances of winning are better.
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Respect to you from your screen name alone, very well done! LOL. Also, a pretty solid analysis.
 
NBCOwnsUs said:
ND fan and I come in peace.

Fair assessment. The one nuance I’d add is that both QBs are talented, and Carr has some traits that could eventually allow him to develop into an elite QB. This isn’t like a few years back when Pyne and Buchner were competing - neither of those guys had any real chance to be anything better than average, much less elite.

These teams seem very even in the trenches so I don’t think either side is going to win by simply imposing its will and running for 200+ yards without some sort of passing game to open things up.

Of course, ND's plan isn’t going to hinge on Carr throwing them to victory, but I don’t think it’s as simple as hand the ball to Love, avoid turnovers and ND wins. Carr will have to hit a handful of throws in addition to limiting mistakes if ND is going to win.

Short yardage situations will be key for ND's offense. Leonard was automatic on 3rd and short or 4th and 1 last year - everyone in the stadium knew what was coming and still couldn’t stop it. ND doesn’t have that luxury this year, so it’ll be interesting to see how Denbrock schemes those downs and who they trust to move the chains.

Short yardage between the 40s is where I think it'll get really interesting. I think the expectation is ND will either hand it to Love or have Carr dink and dunk to the tight ends and backs, but I think they’ll be more aggressive in those spots and look to push the ball downfield, especially to the slot receivers. If he hits those throws and doesn't **** his pants, ND's chances of winning are good. If he ***** himself, Miami's chances of winning are better.
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Fair, and I think this is where most of the Miami fan optimism comes from. If this game was played as the last game of the season versus the first, it might be different. If it were played in South Bend instead of Miami, it's almost certainly different. Carr might turn out to be awesome, but right now, on the road, game 1, all the intangibles, it's a very tough ask.

Carr, by definition, is completely inexperienced, having never thrown a pass in a game.

And he, by all accounts, really struggled in camp.

So, while totally ****ting his pants would be great for Miami, I think the *most likely* outcome is he plays, at best, OK. And is that good enough to win? I think most of us believe there are very few runouts where a completely green QB (as talented as he might be), who didn't wow anyone in camp, comes into the most hostile environment he's ever even imagined, on national TV, being the only game on in the entire country, and blows the doors off the place. It's certainly possible. But I don't think it's probable. If he had some experience, OR if he was tearing it up in camp, I'd be more inclined to think he's going to come in and win the game for ND. But I just don't see it. I think the most likely outcome that will help ND win is like you said, he hits some easy throws, doesn't make any big mistakes, and it's somewhat of a low-scoring game that ND can grind out. I just don't see a world where this kid throws for 250 yards and they drop 30 on Miami. But that's why we play the games.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Fair, and I think this is where most of the Miami fan optimism comes from. If this game was played as the last game of the season versus the first, it might be different. If it were played in South Bend instead of Miami, it's almost certainly different. Carr might turn out to be awesome, but right now, on the road, game 1, all the intangibles, it's a very tough ask.

Carr, by definition, is completely inexperienced, having never thrown a pass in a game.

And he, by all accounts, really struggled in camp.

So, while totally ****ting his pants would be great for Miami, I think the *most likely* outcome is he plays, at best, OK. And is that good enough to win? I think most of us believe there are very few runouts where a completely green QB (as talented as he might be), who didn't wow anyone in camp, comes into the most hostile environment he's ever even imagined, on national TV, being the only game on in the entire country, and blows the doors off the place. It's certainly possible. But I don't think it's probable. If he had some experience, OR if he was tearing it up in camp, I'd be more inclined to think he's going to come in and win the game for ND. But I just don't see it. I think the most likely outcome that will help ND win is like you said, he hits some easy throws, doesn't make any big mistakes, and it's somewhat of a low-scoring game that ND can grind out. I just don't see a world where this kid throws for 250 yards and they drop 30 on Miami. But that's why we play the games.
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I think that really depends upon how much your defense has improved and if your offense comes back to Earth after losing Ward. Hard to tell from a ND fan perspective. I don't think your offense will be as good without Ward and your defense will be better - ground breaking analysis, I know.

If you score in bunches like you did last year, kinda forces ND's hand and they will have to rely on Carr. If your defense doesn't play better, ND is going to hammer them.

I trust the reports on the QB battle during fall camp about as much as a ***** wife. Nobody assessed it correctly and almost everybody got it wrong throughout camp. What we know about Carr is that he has an elite arm and he is a football junkie, so he will know what to do and has a capable arm. He has zero experience, it's a big stage so he'll probably make mistakes. Will they be costly/can he respond? I really dont know.
 
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My prediction is that this game will come down to the rain. I think the game generally favors us mostly due to us having a QB who can lead us, vs Notre Dame’s QB, who is untested. But if this game gets forced into a one-dimensional pure ground game, then Love will beat us.

34- 22 Miami if no rain/ light rain
17 - 13 ND if heavy rain.
 
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Trav said:
From my understanding most were/are likely backups except Flannagan was competing for the starting TE spot.
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Flannagan has been out since last year. Bauman was competing with Ty Washington for the #2 spot, but we expected Ty to win out. Eli is the clear clear #1.

The Jagusah one hurts - he's an NFL Guard IMO. Luckily, Guerby Lambert is his likely replacement.

Kedron Young was likely going to be the 4th string RB, but provided unique physical tools no other RB has (built like a brick). This stings a tad because we definitely run the RB room by committee and he was going to see the field this year.
 
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ND08Fan said:
Bingo. This is a situation where the "tie goes to the runner." Carr has the highest upside, so he gets the nod over Minchey. Denbrock and Freeman want to push the ball downfield. Carr can get hot and really put pressure on the secondary, but then he takes too much risk and turns it over. Very high risk/reward.
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This is where you veer off into fantasy land. Carr has never gotten "hot" and "put pressure on a secondary" since he has 0.0 snaps. He is a complete unknown in a real game situation and in fall camp he has not played to the standard of a player that should be the starting QB at a P5 program.
 
Scout here thinks Miami OL is overrated



Miami offensive line, 1:19 excuse me, I think that that group is a very overrated group. Like extremely overrated.​
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So, so John, I'll say this. It could it end up being one of the one a decent um could it end up being a decent group​
comparative to the rest of the country? It's possible because there's just not a lot of good offensive lines in college​
football. Like, we're seeing the same thing on the NFL level compared to college. like there's just there's just a there just isn't enough good offensive linemen overall, right? And I I think that that group for ACC standards is probably going to be a good group. For national standards, I think it'll be an okay group.​
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But when I look at it and I 2:07 just like break down the individual pieces, Mauigoa is a very good college offensive lineman, right? Like but I do think that there is some things and I'm specifically talking about Buba Trayori where if you have a guy that is a little bit more twitched up and can cross space with a little bit of ability to not only bend the outside track but also hit an inside counter. I do think that you could beat him in pass protection, buthe is the strength of that group.​
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But when I watch Brockermeyer, I'm like that kid is just a solid center, right? Like he's rock solid. He kind of reminds me of this is no shot of him at all because Zeke Carell is a guy that like he he immediately reminded me of not flashy, just solid, right? Like gets the job done, but maybe isn't going to win abunch of accolades necessarily.​
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Anes Cooper I think is very overrated inside a guard. And then the left tackle, the Markell Bell, people are losing their minds over that kid because he's a hair under 6'9 verified and he's like 340 something pounds, but the kid can't bend. like he can't bend and his film last year was not very good.​
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I think that the 3:29 Notre Dame defensive line is actually going to make a statement against the Miami offensive line, and that might be considered a hot take around like a lot of national people, but I really do think that Notre Dame can make a statement up front defensively.​
 
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