Miami Herald Kirk Herbstreit

[BoroCane83]

I don't know why this is even being debated. The impact of a program's record prior to a new coaches arrival on the length of time to resurge is minimal compared to the actual ability of a coach to lead the resurgence.

really? Because logically speaking, taking over for dumpster fire temple, and taking over for an average UF team is completely different in terms of "resurge" time. As an example, michigan will not be a year 2 turn around after however many years of carr, rich rod, and hoke.. even if they were to bring saban in.

Saban, Carroll, Meyer. All could go into Michigan and win their DIVISION within four years.

you're talking about the best of the best, and maybe you're right. but OSU (meyer) and Michigan State would have a lot to say about it. I don't know who michigan is going to hire, but i HIGHLY doubt they beat OSu or State for the division in the next 4 seasons.

So it's questionable that the new hire would be able to do it because of the competition in the division, but we are facing the worst teams in our division in the 10 years we have been in the ACC that has allowed Duke to get back to back Coastal titles. And how is that not a testament to Golden? This is year four and this is the worst the Coastal has ever been and he cant win it.

 

[weownfsu]

a 10-2 season is is better than a 9-4 season.. no matter how you look at it. bama at the very least had 1 good season closer to Saban's arrival, our best was a 4 loss season closest to golden's arrival.

Al Golden > Nick Saban.

Youre a very astute fella.

this has nothing to with who is better between the two. way to be astute yourself.

So what are you arguing? It reads to me like you're saying "Al Golden inherited a harder job than Nick Saban. If Nick Saban were doing as good as Al Golden is doing everyone would be happy."

my argument is solely, that more recent success lends itself more to future success. Granted Nick Saban is the best coach in college football.. so his learning curve is not as high.. but if i'm picking between jobs and one team was 10-2 and ranked 8th in the previous seasons and the other's best season was 9-4.. and 19th.. I think i'd have a better go at success with the 10-2 squad.

You're ******* pathetic. You keep leaving out the fact that Nick Saban took over a 7 loss team (in the SEC) while Al Golden took over a 6 loss team (in the ACC). Somehow that isn't relevant to you. Please go away and never return you dishonest trumpet playing fruitcake.

 

[weownfsu]

So what are you arguing? It reads to me like you're saying "Al Golden inherited a harder job than Nick Saban. If Nick Saban were doing as good as Al Golden is doing everyone would be happy."

Exactly, what is this guys point? That Alabama had one more win and 2 less losses than UM two years before Saban took over, so it's completely understandable for UM to be going 6-4 in year 4? Huh? But nevermind the fact that 2006 Alabama was a worse team than 2010 Miami--the year before Saban and Golden took over respectively. Nah, Alabama having a 10-2 season in 2005 as opposed to uM's 9-4 season in 2009 obviously shows that Alabama was just so far advanced as a program it would be unfair to expect any results.

funny how 2 more losses is all of a sudden nothing when comparing 10-2 bama and 9-4 miami...

Yes lrg, two more losses two years before the new coach took over (and MORE losses the year RIGHT BEFORE the new coach took over) obviously shows that the programs were at such drastically different points that it's not reasonable to expect UM to be able to beat teams like GT, Louisville, and Nebraska by year 4. And clearly Alabama is the only example of a program that got it turned around very quickly with a new coach.

there are more examples of new coaches that did nothing then there are of coaches that turned it around quickly. i can guarantee that without even looking up the numbers.
and the difference between a 6-7 team and a 7-6 team is minimal.. somehow 10-2 and 9-4 is almost the same thing to you.. but 6-7 bama and 7-6 miami is WORLDS of difference.. that bama team must have been putrid in comparison.

WTF do you think that means? IS the goal here to do nothing or to win a national championship? You might be too retarded to breathe. How long have you been on a ventilator? You're correct that Golden has way more in common with the coaches who did nothing and never turned it around, though. And it's not "world's different" you moron--the point is that both Miami and Alabama were bad teams in ****** places. One coach turned it around quickly because he knows what he's doing. The other's best record is 9-4.

 

[DaU83]

I don't know why this is even being debated. The impact of a program's record prior to a new coaches arrival on the length of time to resurge is minimal compared to the actual ability of a coach to lead the resurgence.

really? Because logically speaking, taking over for dumpster fire temple, and taking over for an average UF team is completely different in terms of "resurge" time. As an example, michigan will not be a year 2 turn around after however many years of carr, rich rod, and hoke.. even if they were to bring saban in.

Saban, Carroll, Meyer. All could go into Michigan and win their DIVISION within four years.

you're talking about the best of the best, and maybe you're right. but OSU (meyer) and Michigan State would have a lot to say about it. I don't know who michigan is going to hire, but i HIGHLY doubt they beat OSu or State for the division in the next 4 seasons.

So it's questionable that the new hire would be able to do it because of the competition in the division, but we are facing the worst teams in our division in the 10 years we have been in the ACC that has allowed Duke to get back to back Coastal titles. And how is that not a testament to Golden? This is year four and this is the worst the Coastal has ever been and he cant win it.

those "worst" teams ever are both 8-2 aren't they? Granted, duke has been aided by a soft schedule, and GT isn't as bad as we pretend they are in order to fit the "fire golden" rhetoric.. OSU is 9-1 and state is 8-2, just for comparisons sake.

 

[DaU83]

Exactly, what is this guys point? That Alabama had one more win and 2 less losses than UM two years before Saban took over, so it's completely understandable for UM to be going 6-4 in year 4? Huh? But nevermind the fact that 2006 Alabama was a worse team than 2010 Miami--the year before Saban and Golden took over respectively. Nah, Alabama having a 10-2 season in 2005 as opposed to uM's 9-4 season in 2009 obviously shows that Alabama was just so far advanced as a program it would be unfair to expect any results.

funny how 2 more losses is all of a sudden nothing when comparing 10-2 bama and 9-4 miami...

Yes lrg, two more losses two years before the new coach took over (and MORE losses the year RIGHT BEFORE the new coach took over) obviously shows that the programs were at such drastically different points that it's not reasonable to expect UM to be able to beat teams like GT, Louisville, and Nebraska by year 4. And clearly Alabama is the only example of a program that got it turned around very quickly with a new coach.

there are more examples of new coaches that did nothing then there are of coaches that turned it around quickly. i can guarantee that without even looking up the numbers.
and the difference between a 6-7 team and a 7-6 team is minimal.. somehow 10-2 and 9-4 is almost the same thing to you.. but 6-7 bama and 7-6 miami is WORLDS of difference.. that bama team must have been putrid in comparison.

WTF do you think that means? IS the goal here to do nothing or to win a national championship? You might be too retarded to breathe. How long have you been on a ventilator? You're correct that Golden has way more in common with the coaches who did nothing and never turned it around, though. And it's not "world's different" you moron--the point is that both Miami and Alabama were bad teams in ****ty places. One coach turned it around quickly because he knows what he's doing. The other's best record is 9-4.

I disagree, look at what hoke has done at michigan. Dude has gotten increasingly worse as more and more of his guys are on the roster. Al on the other hand, has not.

 

[DaU83]

Al Golden > Nick Saban.

Youre a very astute fella.

this has nothing to with who is better between the two. way to be astute yourself.

So what are you arguing? It reads to me like you're saying "Al Golden inherited a harder job than Nick Saban. If Nick Saban were doing as good as Al Golden is doing everyone would be happy."

my argument is solely, that more recent success lends itself more to future success. Granted Nick Saban is the best coach in college football.. so his learning curve is not as high.. but if i'm picking between jobs and one team was 10-2 and ranked 8th in the previous seasons and the other's best season was 9-4.. and 19th.. I think i'd have a better go at success with the 10-2 squad.

You're ****ing pathetic. You keep leaving out the fact that Nick Saban took over a 7 loss team (in the SEC) while Al Golden took over a 6 loss team (in the ACC). Somehow that isn't relevant to you. Please go away and never return you dishonest trumpet playing fruitcake.

and yet that same team was 10-2 just one year before.

 

[weownfsu]

this has nothing to with who is better between the two. way to be astute yourself.

So what are you arguing? It reads to me like you're saying "Al Golden inherited a harder job than Nick Saban. If Nick Saban were doing as good as Al Golden is doing everyone would be happy."

my argument is solely, that more recent success lends itself more to future success. Granted Nick Saban is the best coach in college football.. so his learning curve is not as high.. but if i'm picking between jobs and one team was 10-2 and ranked 8th in the previous seasons and the other's best season was 9-4.. and 19th.. I think i'd have a better go at success with the 10-2 squad.

You're ****ing pathetic. You keep leaving out the fact that Nick Saban took over a 7 loss team (in the SEC) while Al Golden took over a 6 loss team (in the ACC). Somehow that isn't relevant to you. Please go away and never return you dishonest trumpet playing fruitcake.

and yet that same team was 10-2 just one year before.

That's not the "same team" you dip****. Again, what is your position? Was Alabama in a vastly different position than Miami as far as the level their team was at, that justifies Nick Saban going on a tear while Al Golden can't even have a better season than Randy Shannon? Is that your position, even though the season BEFORE SABAN TOOK OVER, THEY LOST 7 GAMES--more than UM before Golden took over?

 

[weownfsu]

funny how 2 more losses is all of a sudden nothing when comparing 10-2 bama and 9-4 miami...

Yes lrg, two more losses two years before the new coach took over (and MORE losses the year RIGHT BEFORE the new coach took over) obviously shows that the programs were at such drastically different points that it's not reasonable to expect UM to be able to beat teams like GT, Louisville, and Nebraska by year 4. And clearly Alabama is the only example of a program that got it turned around very quickly with a new coach.

there are more examples of new coaches that did nothing then there are of coaches that turned it around quickly. i can guarantee that without even looking up the numbers.
and the difference between a 6-7 team and a 7-6 team is minimal.. somehow 10-2 and 9-4 is almost the same thing to you.. but 6-7 bama and 7-6 miami is WORLDS of difference.. that bama team must have been putrid in comparison.

WTF do you think that means? IS the goal here to do nothing or to win a national championship? You might be too retarded to breathe. How long have you been on a ventilator? You're correct that Golden has way more in common with the coaches who did nothing and never turned it around, though. And it's not "world's different" you moron--the point is that both Miami and Alabama were bad teams in ****ty places. One coach turned it around quickly because he knows what he's doing. The other's best record is 9-4.

I disagree, look at what hoke has done at michigan. Dude has gotten increasingly worse as more and more of his guys are on the roster. Al on the other hand, has not.

Your response has absolutely nothing to do with what we are discussing. Nothing. You're a mental midget. Stop posting.

 

[The Franchise]

And **** near all those players left after the 2011 season. They couldn't get out of Dodge fast enough. Again, where were the upperclassmen in 2012? Where was the senior leadership in 2013?

Without looking at the rosters, I'd be willing to bet every single one of those coaches inherited teams that gave them some signs of life on the roster. Tell me, where were the upperclassmen on our roster in 2012 and 2013? You know, the good players left by the last regime. Here's a clue for you... They were non-existent. There is the difference between what Golden inherited and what the other coaches took over. Those teams all had talent on the roster. Miami did not, and that is why you saw so many true freshmen starting for us the last few years. People can talk about recruiting classes, and that's fine, but a coach who inherits a talented roster, then recruits well, will have an easier time winning than one who recruits well but inherited a roster devoid of talent. One is starting from scratch, while the others did not. Recruiting and relying on those kids right away is not the same as recruiting well and not having to play those kids until they are ready.

2005 10-2, 2006 6-7, 2007 7-6, 2008 12-2, 2009 14-0

By all accounts, those two seasons should have KILLED recruiting, and yet somehow Satan was able to go undefeated 3 years removed from a losing season. But yeah, had nothing to do with him as a coach and recruiter. Jimbo did the exact same thing at FSU without the 7-6 first year.


Edit: I would also note that Shula was fired after going 10-2 the season before going 6-7. Didn't get that one more chance to do well. Nope. FIRED.

Why don't we also look at how some other schools did before their NC winning coaches got there:

UF was 7-5 before Urban got there. NC in 2 years.
FSU was 7-6 before Jimbo took over. NC in 4 years.
OU was 5-6 before Stoops got there. NC in 2 years.
USC was 5-7 the year before Carroll got there. NC in 3 years.

The list goes on and on and on of great coaches who were able to quickly turn around schools that were in the dumps. Golden can't even win double digit games. He can't win the division. He can't beat FSU. He can beat a ranked team once in a blue moon. Know why that is? It's because he sucks. Not because he hasn't had enough time. It's because he sucks. He's a loser that cannot win on this level, and anybody who supports Golden at this point is the equivalent of a Penn State cultist.

Stop it with this bull**** that UM didn't have talent. It's an outright lie. There are 20 players from the 2011 team that played in the NFL and Golden went 6-6. He's awful.

Yeah because Oklahoma, USC and ufayg were rolling on all cylinders when Stoops, Carroll and Meyer took those jobs. Oklahoma was in the toilet for over a decade when Stoops took over. They were far worse off than we were. USC hadn't won anything in 20 years or more.

Mack Brown takes a ton of ****, but how quickly did he turn around a Texas program that was losing 5+ games every year for a decade or more?

Stop making lame excuses. Top coaches at high level marquee programs get things turned around within 2 or 3 years. It's a fact.

 

[The Franchise]

So what are you arguing? It reads to me like you're saying "Al Golden inherited a harder job than Nick Saban. If Nick Saban were doing as good as Al Golden is doing everyone would be happy."

my argument is solely, that more recent success lends itself more to future success. Granted Nick Saban is the best coach in college football.. so his learning curve is not as high.. but if i'm picking between jobs and one team was 10-2 and ranked 8th in the previous seasons and the other's best season was 9-4.. and 19th.. I think i'd have a better go at success with the 10-2 squad.

You're ****ing pathetic. You keep leaving out the fact that Nick Saban took over a 7 loss team (in the SEC) while Al Golden took over a 6 loss team (in the ACC). Somehow that isn't relevant to you. Please go away and never return you dishonest trumpet playing fruitcake.

and yet that same team was 10-2 just one year before.

That's not the "same team" you dip****. Again, what is your position? Was Alabama in a vastly different position than Miami as far as the level their team was at, that justifies Nick Saban going on a tear while Al Golden can't even have a better season than Randy Shannon? Is that your position, even though the season BEFORE SABAN TOOK OVER, THEY LOST 7 GAMES--more than UM before Golden took over?

Alabama was dealing with pretty nasty sanctions coming off that Albert Means hullabaloo too. Not to mention, they were coming off a long string of **** hires with Franchione, Dubose, Stoola, and Price, who never even made it to his first game.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Lots of guys said after Shannon it was a five year rebuild. They may have been dead right. Tough to build championship depth sooner than that after recruiting tanks.

Over the past 4 years we've out recruited GaTech, Nebraska and Louisville. Please, tell me again how our recruiting tanked.

Doesn't matter if they're not on the roster. A class isn't worth assessing until they end their eligibility. Too many kids getting throw out of school or transferring. In my opinion, and this is not popular among the Golden detractors, but the lead up to probation greatly impacted recruiting. Where Golden has to be held accountable is all the turnover. That's clearly on his watch and it has hurt us significantly.

 

[weownfsu]

Lots of guys said after Shannon it was a five year rebuild. They may have been dead right. Tough to build championship depth sooner than that after recruiting tanks.

Over the past 4 years we've out recruited GaTech, Nebraska and Louisville. Please, tell me again how our recruiting tanked.

Doesn't matter if they're not on the roster. A class isn't worth assessing until they end their eligibility. Too many kids getting throw out of school or transferring. In my opinion, and this is not popular among the Golden detractors, but the lead up to probation greatly impacted recruiting. Where Golden has to be held accountable is all the turnover. That's clearly on his watch and it has hurt us significantly.

What are you even talking about? We've out recruited Ga Tech, Nebraska, and Louisville since forever. Oh, and by the way, if Golden has kids transferring or getting thrown out--that's his problem.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

Lots of guys said after Shannon it was a five year rebuild. They may have been dead right. Tough to build championship depth sooner than that after recruiting tanks.

Over the past 4 years we've out recruited GaTech, Nebraska and Louisville. Please, tell me again how our recruiting tanked.

Doesn't matter if they're not on the roster. A class isn't worth assessing until they end their eligibility. Too many kids getting throw out of school or transferring. In my opinion, and this is not popular among the Golden detractors, but the lead up to probation greatly impacted recruiting. Where Golden has to be held accountable is all the turnover. That's clearly on his watch and it has hurt us significantly.

You need to read then re-read what you wrote there. There's only one person to blame for any of that. Jeez man, have some self respect.

 

[GhostofVenice01]

Lots of guys said after Shannon it was a five year rebuild. They may have been dead right. Tough to build championship depth sooner than that after recruiting tanks.

Over the past 4 years we've out recruited GaTech, Nebraska and Louisville. Please, tell me again how our recruiting tanked.

It takes at least 5 years WITHOUT sanctions or a "cloud" to get top ten worthy depth after a clusterfark. We are playing with 75 scholarships. We are 4 years in one year removed from "the cloud". Talk to me this time next year

lol@ this ****** guy



How bout you show us the mathematical equation you used to figure this out

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Lots of guys said after Shannon it was a five year rebuild. They may have been dead right. Tough to build championship depth sooner than that after recruiting tanks.

Over the past 4 years we've out recruited GaTech, Nebraska and Louisville. Please, tell me again how our recruiting tanked.

Doesn't matter if they're not on the roster. A class isn't worth assessing until they end their eligibility. Too many kids getting throw out of school or transferring. In my opinion, and this is not popular among the Golden detractors, but the lead up to probation greatly impacted recruiting. Where Golden has to be held accountable is all the turnover. That's clearly on his watch and it has hurt us significantly.

What are you even talking about? We've out recruited Ga Tech, Nebraska, and Louisville since forever. Oh, and by the way, if Golden has kids transferring or getting thrown out--that's his problem.

Obviously, you must have a reading comprehension problem.

 

[Gatorhater]

funny how 2 more losses is all of a sudden nothing when comparing 10-2 bama and 9-4 miami...

Yes lrg, two more losses two years before the new coach took over (and MORE losses the year RIGHT BEFORE the new coach took over) obviously shows that the programs were at such drastically different points that it's not reasonable to expect UM to be able to beat teams like GT, Louisville, and Nebraska by year 4. And clearly Alabama is the only example of a program that got it turned around very quickly with a new coach.

there are more examples of new coaches that did nothing then there are of coaches that turned it around quickly. i can guarantee that without even looking up the numbers.
and the difference between a 6-7 team and a 7-6 team is minimal.. somehow 10-2 and 9-4 is almost the same thing to you.. but 6-7 bama and 7-6 miami is WORLDS of difference.. that bama team must have been putrid in comparison.

WTF do you think that means? IS the goal here to do nothing or to win a national championship? You might be too retarded to breathe. How long have you been on a ventilator? You're correct that Golden has way more in common with the coaches who did nothing and never turned it around, though. And it's not "world's different" you moron--the point is that both Miami and Alabama were bad teams in ****ty places. One coach turned it around quickly because he knows what he's doing. The other's best record is 9-4.

I disagree, look at what hoke has done at michigan. Dude has gotten increasingly worse as more and more of his guys are on the roster. Al on the other hand, has not.

And Al has lost some weight and Hoke hasn't. What is your point? Michigan is UM and has ALWAYS played second fiddle to OSU. Miami is THE UM and for 30 years was the lead and many time only frigging fiddle. Michigan doesn't even dream of being what we were. They would be happy with Al -- he did beat OSU once. You are wrong that Al has gotten more and more out of his players. Until the banners flew he got crap out of his players in every big game. Those banners ****ed him off. Like every control freak, he was stunned to find out we did not approve of his leadership. After four years, player have looked better since the banners. Credit Al if you want, but had Al not turned me against him last year, watching DP line up 10 yards deep against GT for play after play of up the gut runs by slow white dude would have. Al sucks period. If he goes undefeated next year AND wins the NC, I will be happy to admit he got better, but until the VT game he has just sucked.

 

[weownfsu]

funny how 2 more losses is all of a sudden nothing when comparing 10-2 bama and 9-4 miami...

Yes lrg, two more losses two years before the new coach took over (and MORE losses the year RIGHT BEFORE the new coach took over) obviously shows that the programs were at such drastically different points that it's not reasonable to expect UM to be able to beat teams like GT, Louisville, and Nebraska by year 4. And clearly Alabama is the only example of a program that got it turned around very quickly with a new coach.

there are more examples of new coaches that did nothing then there are of coaches that turned it around quickly. i can guarantee that without even looking up the numbers.
and the difference between a 6-7 team and a 7-6 team is minimal.. somehow 10-2 and 9-4 is almost the same thing to you.. but 6-7 bama and 7-6 miami is WORLDS of difference.. that bama team must have been putrid in comparison.

WTF do you think that means? IS the goal here to do nothing or to win a national championship? You might be too retarded to breathe. How long have you been on a ventilator? You're correct that Golden has way more in common with the coaches who did nothing and never turned it around, though. And it's not "world's different" you moron--the point is that both Miami and Alabama were bad teams in ****ty places. One coach turned it around quickly because he knows what he's doing. The other's best record is 9-4.

I disagree, look at what hoke has done at michigan. Dude has gotten increasingly worse as more and more of his guys are on the roster. Al on the other hand, has not.

Good call.

 

[Insanecane]

Yes lrg, two more losses two years before the new coach took over (and MORE losses the year RIGHT BEFORE the new coach took over) obviously shows that the programs were at such drastically different points that it's not reasonable to expect UM to be able to beat teams like GT, Louisville, and Nebraska by year 4. And clearly Alabama is the only example of a program that got it turned around very quickly with a new coach.

there are more examples of new coaches that did nothing then there are of coaches that turned it around quickly. i can guarantee that without even looking up the numbers.
and the difference between a 6-7 team and a 7-6 team is minimal.. somehow 10-2 and 9-4 is almost the same thing to you.. but 6-7 bama and 7-6 miami is WORLDS of difference.. that bama team must have been putrid in comparison.

WTF do you think that means? IS the goal here to do nothing or to win a national championship? You might be too retarded to breathe. How long have you been on a ventilator? You're correct that Golden has way more in common with the coaches who did nothing and never turned it around, though. And it's not "world's different" you moron--the point is that both Miami and Alabama were bad teams in ****ty places. One coach turned it around quickly because he knows what he's doing. The other's best record is 9-4.

I disagree, look at what hoke has done at michigan. Dude has gotten increasingly worse as more and more of his guys are on the roster. Al on the other hand, has not.

Good call.

Hahahahaha!!!

 

[weownfsu]

Lots of guys said after Shannon it was a five year rebuild. They may have been dead right. Tough to build championship depth sooner than that after recruiting tanks.

Over the past 4 years we've out recruited GaTech, Nebraska and Louisville. Please, tell me again how our recruiting tanked.

Doesn't matter if they're not on the roster. A class isn't worth assessing until they end their eligibility. Too many kids getting throw out of school or transferring. In my opinion, and this is not popular among the Golden detractors, but the lead up to probation greatly impacted recruiting. Where Golden has to be held accountable is all the turnover. That's clearly on his watch and it has hurt us significantly.

What are you even talking about? We've out recruited Ga Tech, Nebraska, and Louisville since forever. Oh, and by the way, if Golden has kids transferring or getting thrown out--that's his problem.

Obviously, you must have a reading comprehension problem.

Obviously, you were, and remain a moron. We didn't start out-recruiting Louisville and Georgia Tech recently. We've been out-recruiting them for decades. So saying that you need a full four years to asses a class doesn't mean ****, when we've ALWAYS had better players than them.

 

[WhatTheHell]

If he didn't think Golden was a good coach, he just wouldn't say anything. He went out of his way twice today to compliment the Canes. This board is laughable. If we were still a trainwreck like the first 3 losses, then fine be angry, but if one play goes differently, Golden and staff are heroes.

Solid article

He has hated on Miami all year until this past week or two…

Butch needed 5-6 years

just saying

"If they put one more recruiting class behind what is already on that roster, Miami is so close. And I think anybody that doesn’t recognize that just doesn’t watch the game or maybe know the game.’’

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/college/acc/university-of-miami/article4001934.html#storylink=cpy

AG isn't going anywhere

Get used to it.

I'm sorry, neg me all you want. Maybe its too much logic for some if you to understand. Maybe some of the media are being too realistic for some of you. Golden and his staff are not perfect. But I still view it as he's in his first season of freedom. Questionable decisions by the staff on gamedays are bothersome. But its not realistic to be as perfect and dominant as some of you expect us to be in his 4 years here. Why don't some of you couch coaches apply to be head coach and try to recruit under an ncaa investigation. So what Herby supported Shannon too, look how much coaching turnover we had under Shannons program. Those kids learned a new system and terminology pretty much every season of Randy's tenure. Stop bullshi**ing yourselves. Programs don't win big during an NCAA investigation and bowl bans and recruiting restrictions. Especially when they can go play for FSU, LSU or BAMA. Thats a business decision. It doesnt matter who grew up in south florida and who grew up loving the canes.

Lots of guys said after Shannon it was a five year rebuild. They may have been dead right. Tough to build championship depth sooner than that after recruiting tanks.

Lots of guys said after Shannon it was a five year rebuild. They may have been dead right. Tough to build championship depth sooner than that after recruiting tanks.

Over the past 4 years we've out recruited GaTech, Nebraska and Louisville. Please, tell me again how our recruiting tanked.

It takes at least 5 years WITHOUT sanctions or a "cloud" to get top ten worthy depth after a clusterfark. We are playing with 75 scholarships. We are 4 years in one year removed from "the cloud". Talk to me this time next year

Anyone with a half a brain sees this... Problem is this board is brainless

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