Official Miami Herald Bain article

Very relevant, and painful, observations there.

I'm pointing out, there are a lot of relevant questions we can ask ourselves about what we know, don't know, and wish we knew about this situation.

And then there is the ESPN/Herald approach, where they ignore the nuances and merely talk about how CITATIONS WERE ISSUED and how SOMEONE DIED, without ever reflecting on the overall situation.

If there were 5 people in the car, that means there were 4 survivors too. Perhaps, given the totality of all the known facts, it's not such a good idea to focus the news article on citations written by a cop who didn't witness the accident. Even if the news article is accurate in the few facts that it does report.

When you OMIT certain factual details from an article, it allows assumptions and implications.
Sorry, the media did what it’s supposed to do - report the news. Bain is a high profile individual & the accident resulted in a tragic fatality. If the writer had the story/police report can’t be expected to hold it till after the draft. Sad story & feel for the family, but despite their feelings - again, understand their pain - media shouldn’t pick & choose what to report based on an individual or family’s desire. That kind of standard would breed chaos & further distrust of the media.
There are several larger issues. The first is how did Miami keep this under wraps for so long & how did the media not have a clue until now? Who was in the vehicle Bain allegedly rammed into? How does that even happen at 4 am on I-95? Now, timing of the leak raises the question of who provided the info & what was the motive? Obviously done to hurt Bain & Miami. Trying to impact Bain’s draft status? Is there bad blood with Ohio State over lost recruiting battles & current fight over DE Jacobs? Would assume Smith being local knew all about it.
Finally, as someone seriously impacted by a car accident, it ****es me off to see Miami players doing stupid **** & endangering lives. Forget the details, but recall a young linebacker charged in a fatality couple years ago. This is all sad.
 
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Nothing to see here folks, just another journalist doing their job. If you want to be mad, be mad at someone else.

Am I doing this correct @MikeyCanez
Literally could not be a more straight forward news story. The reason this is a big deal is because it happened to our favorite player. If it happened to a Florida fan or a Florida State fan, we wouldn't care at all about the journalist.
 
Very relevant, and painful, observations there.

I'm pointing out, there are a lot of relevant questions we can ask ourselves about what we know, don't know, and wish we knew about this situation.

And then there is the ESPN/Herald approach, where they ignore the nuances and merely talk about how CITATIONS WERE ISSUED and how SOMEONE DIED, without ever reflecting on the overall situation.

If there were 5 people in the car, that means there were 4 survivors too. Perhaps, given the totality of all the known facts, it's not such a good idea to focus the news article on citations written by a cop who didn't witness the accident. Even if the news article is accurate in the few facts that it does report.

When you OMIT certain factual details from an article, it allows assumptions and implications.
I am not trying to clap back at all because I understand where you are coming from.

But nuances is another word for editorializing in my opinion. The Herald article was standard, dry, factual newspaper copy. Of course you are going to quote the official report because that probably includes eye witness testimony. Interviewing survivors and witnesses is blowing the story up even more, making it about human interest.

Like it or not, The Read Optional and The Herald wrote common news articles. They aren't doing follow ups, they aren't writing features. They reached out to the family, the family politely asked to be left alone, comment was included and that was that.

You can absolutely criticize the timing of the story, because someone definitely has an agenda, but the reporters are just doing their jobs.
 
Sorry, the media did what it’s supposed to do - report the news. Bain is a high profile individual & the accident resulted in a tragic fatality. If the writer had the story/police report can’t be expected to hold it till after the draft. Sad story & feel for the family, but despite their feelings - again, understand their pain - media shouldn’t pick & choose what to report based on an individual or family’s desire. That kind of standard would breed chaos & further distrust of the media.
There are several larger issues. The first is how did Miami keep this under wraps for so long & how did the media not have a clue until now? Who was in the vehicle Bain allegedly rammed into? How does that even happen at 4 am on I-95? Now, timing of the leak raises the question of who provided the info & what was the motive? Obviously done to hurt Bain & Miami. Trying to impact Bain’s draft status? Is there bad blood with Ohio State over lost recruiting battles & current fight over DE Jacobs? Would assume Smith being local knew all about it.
Finally, as someone seriously impacted by a car accident, it ****es me off to see Miami players doing stupid **** & endangering lives. Forget the details, but recall a young linebacker charged in a fatality couple years ago. This is all sad.


Nope. You're wrong. There are all kinds of rules and guidelines in journalism that you don't understand.

And, for the millionth time, THIS IS NOT NEWS. This happened two years ago. The media FAILED to do its job of "reporting the news" and are now rehashing old news.

Wake the **** up and realize that if you are a journalist BELATEDLY finding out about something two years after the fact, then you have a duty to do more than breathlessly report an old police report.

Oh, but now you're going to try to scare us with "breed chaos and further distrust of the media"? Yeah, that ship already sailed.

As for your implication that MIAMI was the entity that "kept this under wraps for so long", sorry genius, but that's on the press and all the cost-cutting that has crippled local reporting. If the Miami Herald is too under-staffed to pull police reports and spot an OBVIOUS name (we're not talking about John Smith here), then it is flat out FRAUD by you to blame "Miami for keeping this under wraps for so long".

Please **** off with your asinine conspiracy theories. I've known plenty of journalists over the years (sports and otherwise), and I guaran-*******-tee you that they only have limited resources these days. To imply that the University of Miami did anything to cover this up is just disgusting. And wrong.

Sure, Mario doesn't have to come out and do a press conference. But he also didn't cover anything up. THREE football players were in the car, and none of them were injured. While it is tragic that another passenger died, I'm sure that the initial hope was that she would fully recover. Had none of the people involved been football players, I'm quite certain the Miami Herald would have NEVER printed a word, not then, not now. The ONLY "newsworthy" aspect of this is that Rueben Bain was involved. There are thousands of accidents in Dade County every year, and El Herald no longer has the resources to cover even a fraction of those.

You are simply positing a double-standard, that the press should be reporting on a two year old incident solely because of the identity of one person, even as they ignore hundreds of other fatalities across Dade County, auto and otherwise.
 
I am not trying to clap back at all because I understand where you are coming from.

But nuances is another word for editorializing in my opinion. The Herald article was standard, dry, factual newspaper copy. Of course you are going to quote the official report because that probably includes eye witness testimony. Interviewing survivors and witnesses is blowing the story up even more, making it about human interest.

Like it or not, The Read Optional and The Herald wrote common news articles. They aren't doing follow ups, they aren't writing features. They reached out to the family, the family politely asked to be left alone, comment was included and that was that.

You can absolutely criticize the timing of the story, because someone definitely has an agenda, but the reporters are just doing their jobs.


Wrong. This is where those who hate the press try to turn everything into "editorializing".

If you've never taken a journalism course, just say so. If you've never worked as a journalist, just say so.

NO, news articles are not "standard, dry, factual". That is not what is at play here, particularly when YOU ARE TWO YEARS LATE ON THE REPORTING.

This is not news. The "news" threshold was missed TWO YEARS AGO. This is ABSOLUTELY a follow-up article. You are grossly misstating things by acting as if I proposed a "feature article".

And, NO, the reporters are not "just doing their jobs". The editor is BELATEDLY assigning the article to cover his own ***. To PRETEND that the Miami Herald didn't miss anything, which it absolutely did, and has done for DECADES since Knight-Ridder began laying off staff, leaving the local reporting resources particularly deficient.

You are trying to pull the same **** that @bacane just did. Fake-defending the press for "only doing its job", while ignoring what decades worth of diminishing resources have done to ALL levels of news reporting.

Here is the reality. Without some unusual or salacious angle, the vast majority of "news" related to fatalities will simply not be reported. Not reported at the time that it happens. And certainly not reported two years later. There simply aren't enough reporters. Period. This shouldn't be that hard to figure out.

The Herald ONLY took interest in this story because another outlet beat them to the punch. NOT because it was "news", because it is not.

What you include or do not include in the article is not simply related to "standard, dry, factual" information. As has been WIDELY discussed on this thread and other platforms, the NFL scouts and evaluators already know about this incident. Therefore, if BOTH the family of the victim AND Bain's future employer(s) know about this, how is it "news"? It's not. And that's not "a feature article" or anything else. It's a simple test of whether the article is newsworthy. And it is not.

Nobody is asking for "favoritism". But you can't fix the Herald's inability to report on "news" two years ago by belatedly posting an article that adds nothing new in the way of analysis. It would be one thing if TWO YEARS AGO, the Herald had reported on the citations being dismissed as being "defective". But it's something else entirely (and very slimy) to report the same fact today, without doing any investigation or getting any real commentary. For instance, El Herald could have spoken with an attorney who handles traffic cases to get background commentary on the reasons why a citation would be dismissed as "defective". That's not "a feature article", it's what you do when you are belatedly reporting on something and you are trying to do a journalistically superior job of reporting to provide better context on what happened (or didn't happen) two years ago.

It's just so sad that so many people want to criticize the press (or occasionally laud them when it is convenient) without knowing anything about journalistic standards or the history of the decline of journalistic resources.

Nobody "covered this up", simply because you don't have to cover up something that nobody is reporting on because there aren't enough reporters on the payroll to even report the story in the first place.
 
This is the type of **** that deserves calling out. Headlines generated to create drama and induce a click. You want a gross problem with the news media today? This sort of clickbait garbage is at the top of the list.


OK, so now you're being selective with your support and/or criticism of how the media has covered this non-news story.

Your double and triple reverse flea flickers are making me dizzy.

At least we can agree that FoxNews is the worst, having nothing to do with their "political" viewpoints, and having everything to do with their ongoing low standards of journalistic integrity, and/or the absolute lack thereof.
 
OK, so now you're being selective with your support and/or criticism of how the media has covered this non-news story.

Your double and triple reverse flea flickers are making me dizzy.

At least we can agree that FoxNews is the worst, having nothing to do with their "political" viewpoints, and having everything to do with their ongoing low standards of journalistic integrity, and/or the absolute lack thereof.
I think you can support and criticize media outlets for how they cover the same story. Frankly, more nuanced media understanding would help (not you, everyone)

I think our difference really boils down to the fact that I think it is a relevant news story and you do not.
 
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Oh good lord, always a dark and disturbing angle to exploit...

I'm sure there couldn't POSSIBLY be another explanation, such as Rueben being the designated driver and potentially avoiding a much worse possible outcome.

Nope. We should all be "cyncical" in the absence of any relevant information or knowledge of the circumstances. Just assume the worst. That's always the best choice....
 
I think you can support and criticize media outlets for how they cover the same story. Frankly, more nuanced media understanding would help (not you, everyone)

I think our difference really boils down to the fact that I think it is a relevant news story and you do not.


It's not a news story AT ALL. It's just not. The Herald missed this two years ago, and Rueben Bain was not any less well-known in South Florida then as he is now.

This is a cover-your-*** "lemmings" article. The Herald is following ESPN over the cliff while doing no substantive reporting that couldn't have been glommed off the wire reports.

Whoopty-*******-do. The hometown newspaper with all the connections in the world just ran a regurgitation of what other media outlets have already reported.

But YOU think it's a "relevant news story". It's not even news, regardless of your insertion of the word "relevant". The word "news" used to mean something, now people just define that word any **** way they please.
 
It's not a news story AT ALL. It's just not. The Herald missed this two years ago, and Rueben Bain was not any less well-known in South Florida then as he is now.

This is a cover-your-*** "lemmings" article. The Herald is following ESPN over the cliff while doing no substantive reporting that couldn't have been glommed off the wire reports.

Whoopty-*******-do. The hometown newspaper with all the connections in the world just ran a regurgitation of what other media outlets have already reported.

But YOU think it's a "relevant news story". It's not even news, regardless of your insertion of the word "relevant". The word "news" used to mean something, now people just define that word any **** way they please.
There is no statue of limitations on when a story can come out. The general public had no clue and Rueben Bain is a public figure. It is definitely news. Of course the Herald was going to write a story about a local high-profile athlete. He is in the headlines.

You keep calling for substantive reporting, which is exactly what the family does NOT want.

I get it. It is an uncomfortable story about a favorite player on your favorite team (mine too for the record), but you are probably more upset about this story than Bain is.
 
Nope. You're wrong. There are all kinds of rules and guidelines in journalism that you don't understand.

And, for the millionth time, THIS IS NOT NEWS. This happened two years ago. The media FAILED to do its job of "reporting the news" and are now rehashing old news.

Wake the **** up and realize that if you are a journalist BELATEDLY finding out about something two years after the fact, then you have a duty to do more than breathlessly report an old police report.

Oh, but now you're going to try to scare us with "breed chaos and further distrust of the media"? Yeah, that ship already sailed.

As for your implication that MIAMI was the entity that "kept this under wraps for so long", sorry genius, but that's on the press and all the cost-cutting that has crippled local reporting. If the Miami Herald is too under-staffed to pull police reports and spot an OBVIOUS name (we're not talking about John Smith here), then it is flat out FRAUD by you to blame "Miami for keeping this under wraps for so long".

Please **** off with your asinine conspiracy theories. I've known plenty of journalists over the years (sports and otherwise), and I guaran-*******-tee you that they only have limited resources these days. To imply that the University of Miami did anything to cover this up is just disgusting. And wrong.

Sure, Mario doesn't have to come out and do a press conference. But he also didn't cover anything up. THREE football players were in the car, and none of them were injured. While it is tragic that another passenger died, I'm sure that the initial hope was that she would fully recover. Had none of the people involved been football players, I'm quite certain the Miami Herald would have NEVER printed a word, not then, not now. The ONLY "newsworthy" aspect of this is that Rueben Bain was involved. There are thousands of accidents in Dade County every year, and El Herald no longer has the resources to cover even a fraction of those.

You are simply positing a double-standard, that the press should be reporting on a two year old incident solely because of the identity of one person, even as they ignore hundreds of other fatalities across Dade County, auto and otherwise.
I’ve read your know-it-all BS & usual pontification. Don’t have time for an angry old man who attacks anyone with a differing opinion. Your knowledge about journalism, the media and reporting in general is embarrassingly laughable whenever you venture to tell the world how it is. Bless your soul & enjoy the sunshine.
 
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Wrong. This is where those who hate the press try to turn everything into "editorializing".

If you've never taken a journalism course, just say so. If you've never worked as a journalist, just say so.

NO, news articles are not "standard, dry, factual". That is not what is at play here, particularly when YOU ARE TWO YEARS LATE ON THE REPORTING.

This is not news. The "news" threshold was missed TWO YEARS AGO. This is ABSOLUTELY a follow-up article. You are grossly misstating things by acting as if I proposed a "feature article".

And, NO, the reporters are not "just doing their jobs". The editor is BELATEDLY assigning the article to cover his own ***. To PRETEND that the Miami Herald didn't miss anything, which it absolutely did, and has done for DECADES since Knight-Ridder began laying off staff, leaving the local reporting resources particularly deficient.

You are trying to pull the same **** that @bacane just did. Fake-defending the press for "only doing its job", while ignoring what decades worth of diminishing resources have done to ALL levels of news reporting.

Here is the reality. Without some unusual or salacious angle, the vast majority of "news" related to fatalities will simply not be reported. Not reported at the time that it happens. And certainly not reported two years later. There simply aren't enough reporters. Period. This shouldn't be that hard to figure out.

The Herald ONLY took interest in this story because another outlet beat them to the punch. NOT because it was "news", because it is not.

What you include or do not include in the article is not simply related to "standard, dry, factual" information. As has been WIDELY discussed on this thread and other platforms, the NFL scouts and evaluators already know about this incident. Therefore, if BOTH the family of the victim AND Bain's future employer(s) know about this, how is it "news"? It's not. And that's not "a feature article" or anything else. It's a simple test of whether the article is newsworthy. And it is not.

Nobody is asking for "favoritism". But you can't fix the Herald's inability to report on "news" two years ago by belatedly posting an article that adds nothing new in the way of analysis. It would be one thing if TWO YEARS AGO, the Herald had reported on the citations being dismissed as being "defective". But it's something else entirely (and very slimy) to report the same fact today, without doing any investigation or getting any real commentary. For instance, El Herald could have spoken with an attorney who handles traffic cases to get background commentary on the reasons why a citation would be dismissed as "defective". That's not "a feature article", it's what you do when you are belatedly reporting on something and you are trying to do a journalistically superior job of reporting to provide better context on what happened (or didn't happen) two years ago.

It's just so sad that so many people want to criticize the press (or occasionally laud them when it is convenient) without knowing anything about journalistic standards or the history of the decline of journalistic resources.

Nobody "covered this up", simply because you don't have to cover up something that nobody is reporting on because there aren't enough reporters on the payroll to even report the story in the first place.
It’s hard keeping up with your ramblings. That said, what journalism class have you sat in or newsroom have you worked in where there’s a timeline on when something is or isn’t news? Can assure you one doesn’t exist.
 
There is no statue of limitations on when a story can come out. The general public had no clue and Rueben Bain is a public figure. It is definitely news. Of course the Herald was going to write a story about a local high-profile athlete. He is in the headlines.

You keep calling for substantive reporting, which is exactly what the family does NOT want.

I get it. It is an uncomfortable story about a favorite player on your favorite team (mine too for the record), but you are probably more upset about this story than Bain is.
If you think this is news, you might also be interested to hear that in July 2024, scientists announced the discovery of a new species of deep sea sponge in the Pacific Ocean that can live for thousands of years, maybe over 5,000! If that can be used to smear the University of Miami, you'll read about it any day now.
 
It’s hard keeping up with your ramblings. That said, what journalism class have you sat in or newsroom have you worked in where there’s a timeline on when something is or isn’t news? Can assure you one doesn’t exist.

Still waiting for your response:

“Where in the holy **** do you get the idea that Miami “kept this under wraps“?

The accident and the fatality were a matter of public record. Two years ago. End of story.”
 
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