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I am an analyst by trade. What we do is look at the past and present to make the best assessment of the future that we possibly can.

Everyone has been parading Manny up and down as an analytics guy. THIS IS COMPLETE BS. Manny is a numbers guy. Hes a statistics guy. This is completely different than actually analyzing things.


An analyst would do things like study your opponents game film to determine tendencies, patterns, and schemes. Like filming your opponents sidelines to figure out their signals and substitutions. From there you would develop your game-plan around your opponents weaknesses and trends, and your strengths.

A numbers guy is like a computer. Hes tracking every little thing and having the raw data put into spreadsheets with easy to read pictographs like bar graphs and other diagrams. From there a numbers guy would develop their game-plan based on the statistics of whatever data was input into the computer.


Manny is a numbers guy. Hes the kind of coach who will call a play because to him, it has the "highest probability of being successful." Now we are not in the locker room so we dont know how they're measuring probability of success, but we know that its wrong.

We have watched an entire season of Miami call questionable plays. The coaches have known since the pre-season that the offensive line was going to be weak. But they still continued to call slow-developing play action passes requiring the QB to turn around and go through a long drop-back. Why? Because in their heads, the play has the "highest probability of success." The goal-line play against FIU is the perfect example. Instead of taking advantage of your opponents glaring weakness by checking out of the run and throwing an easy TD, you still run into a 10-man box. QB's dont have the ability to audible, because the numbers; the statistics already determined the best chance to score. When it doesn't work, the coaches blame it on a lack of execution.

This is also the same kind of nonsense you get with tracking the "spontaneous reaction to teammate success." That means that Miami has personnel reviewing the sidelines, and field of every play, and inputting into a computer these cheering points for every player on the team. This may even factor into playing time. Its not analytics, its just numbers and it leads to non-nonsensical decisions.

Im not a Butch slurper, but what he was doing by having the constant fake injuries to get real-time adjustments to Miamis formations, was great. Genius adaptation to the situation.


Manny will never be successful here and might lead the program into the deepest hole its ever been in, and one of the biggest reasons is because hes a numbers guy. Not an analytics guy.
 
Canes Brotherhood said:
Cliff notes? I stopped reading after OP thinks Manuel uses analytics. Lol
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Basically just curious post-spring what Manny actually compares us to or tells us he finds important outside of hyperbole (vision of program and metrics for how we are doing based on that vision). Are we progressing in speed, recruiting classes improving, etc?

I suspect it will be meaningless drivel (as do many others).
 
kyle_schick said:
I am an analyst by trade. What we do is look at the past and present to make the best assessment of the future that we possibly can.

Everyone has been parading Manny up and down as an analytics guy. THIS IS COMPLETE BS. Manny is a numbers guy. Hes a statistics guy. This is completely different than actually analyzing things.


An analyst would do things like study your opponents game film to determine tendencies, patterns, and schemes. Like filming your opponents sidelines to figure out their signals and substitutions. From there you would develop your game-plan around your opponents weaknesses and trends, and your strengths.

A numbers guy is like a computer. Hes tracking every little thing and having the raw data put into spreadsheets with easy to read pictographs like bar graphs and other diagrams. From there a numbers guy would develop their game-plan based on the statistics of whatever data was input into the computer.


Manny is a numbers guy. Hes the kind of coach who will call a play because to him, it has the "highest probability of being successful." Now we are not in the locker room so we dont know how they're measuring probability of success, but we know that its wrong.

We have watched an entire season of Miami call questionable plays. The coaches have known since the pre-season that the offensive line was going to be weak. But they still continued to call slow-developing play action passes requiring the QB to turn around and go through a long drop-back. Why? Because in their heads, the play has the "highest probability of success." The goal-line play against FIU is the perfect example. Instead of taking advantage of your opponents glaring weakness by checking out of the run and throwing an easy TD, you still run into a 10-man box. QB's dont have the ability to audible, because the numbers; the statistics already determined the best chance to score. When it doesn't work, the coaches blame it on a lack of execution.

This is also the same kind of nonsense you get with tracking the "spontaneous reaction to teammate success." That means that Miami has personnel reviewing the sidelines, and field of every play, and inputting into a computer these cheering points for every player on the team. This may even factor into playing time. Its not analytics, its just numbers and it leads to non-nonsensical decisions.

Im not a Butch slurper, but what he was doing by having the constant fake injuries to get real-time adjustments to Miamis formations, was great. Genius adaptation to the situation.


Manny will never be successful here and might lead the program into the deepest hole its ever been in, and one of the biggest reasons is because hes a numbers guy. Not an analytics guy.
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Great post. But analytics without vision is meaningless. Or numbers for the sake numbers (as you know). Big mathematics guy here and one thing in work I/we always do is make sure the questions are clear before pursuing methological development or applied work (for us or anyone else).

This sounds intuitive but I find numbers can over-drive the questions rather than vice-versa (at least in work I do).

I want Manny to state his vision and goals of things he finds important before resorting to any hypothetical metrics.
 
kyle_schick said:
I am an analyst by trade. What we do is look at the past and present to make the best assessment of the future that we possibly can.

Everyone has been parading Manny up and down as an analytics guy. THIS IS COMPLETE BS. Manny is a numbers guy. Hes a statistics guy. This is completely different than actually analyzing things.


An analyst would do things like study your opponents game film to determine tendencies, patterns, and schemes. Like filming your opponents sidelines to figure out their signals and substitutions. From there you would develop your game-plan around your opponents weaknesses and trends, and your strengths.

A numbers guy is like a computer. Hes tracking every little thing and having the raw data put into spreadsheets with easy to read pictographs like bar graphs and other diagrams. From there a numbers guy would develop their game-plan based on the statistics of whatever data was input into the computer.


Manny is a numbers guy. Hes the kind of coach who will call a play because to him, it has the "highest probability of being successful." Now we are not in the locker room so we dont know how they're measuring probability of success, but we know that its wrong.

We have watched an entire season of Miami call questionable plays. The coaches have known since the pre-season that the offensive line was going to be weak. But they still continued to call slow-developing play action passes requiring the QB to turn around and go through a long drop-back. Why? Because in their heads, the play has the "highest probability of success." The goal-line play against FIU is the perfect example. Instead of taking advantage of your opponents glaring weakness by checking out of the run and throwing an easy TD, you still run into a 10-man box. QB's dont have the ability to audible, because the numbers; the statistics already determined the best chance to score. When it doesn't work, the coaches blame it on a lack of execution.

This is also the same kind of nonsense you get with tracking the "spontaneous reaction to teammate success." That means that Miami has personnel reviewing the sidelines, and field of every play, and inputting into a computer these cheering points for every player on the team. This may even factor into playing time. Its not analytics, its just numbers and it leads to non-nonsensical decisions.

Im not a Butch slurper, but what he was doing by having the constant fake injuries to get real-time adjustments to Miamis formations, was great. Genius adaptation to the situation.


Manny will never be successful here and might lead the program into the deepest hole its ever been in, and one of the biggest reasons is because hes a numbers guy. Not an analytics guy.
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Excellent post👍🏽
 
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kyle_schick said:
I am an analyst by trade. What we do is look at the past and present to make the best assessment of the future that we possibly can.

Everyone has been parading Manny up and down as an analytics guy. THIS IS COMPLETE BS. Manny is a numbers guy. Hes a statistics guy. This is completely different than actually analyzing things.


An analyst would do things like study your opponents game film to determine tendencies, patterns, and schemes. Like filming your opponents sidelines to figure out their signals and substitutions. From there you would develop your game-plan around your opponents weaknesses and trends, and your strengths.

A numbers guy is like a computer. Hes tracking every little thing and having the raw data put into spreadsheets with easy to read pictographs like bar graphs and other diagrams. From there a numbers guy would develop their game-plan based on the statistics of whatever data was input into the computer.


Manny is a numbers guy. Hes the kind of coach who will call a play because to him, it has the "highest probability of being successful." Now we are not in the locker room so we dont know how they're measuring probability of success, but we know that its wrong.

We have watched an entire season of Miami call questionable plays. The coaches have known since the pre-season that the offensive line was going to be weak. But they still continued to call slow-developing play action passes requiring the QB to turn around and go through a long drop-back. Why? Because in their heads, the play has the "highest probability of success." The goal-line play against FIU is the perfect example. Instead of taking advantage of your opponents glaring weakness by checking out of the run and throwing an easy TD, you still run into a 10-man box. QB's dont have the ability to audible, because the numbers; the statistics already determined the best chance to score. When it doesn't work, the coaches blame it on a lack of execution.

This is also the same kind of nonsense you get with tracking the "spontaneous reaction to teammate success." That means that Miami has personnel reviewing the sidelines, and field of every play, and inputting into a computer these cheering points for every player on the team. This may even factor into playing time. Its not analytics, its just numbers and it leads to non-nonsensical decisions.

Im not a Butch slurper, but what he was doing by having the constant fake injuries to get real-time adjustments to Miamis formations, was great. Genius adaptation to the situation.


Manny will never be successful here and might lead the program into the deepest hole its ever been in, and one of the biggest reasons is because hes a numbers guy. Not an analytics guy.
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Said it better than I could have dreamed of. This is why it hurt my brain watching us play this year. NOTHING made sense. All **** year I was in "does not compute" mode.
 
Maddog71 said:
You don't really want them to follow YOU there. You want to instill your vision as the final goal and you want every player to understand and want to reach the goal. This keeps the focused. To follow the leader often fails when the recruits begin to see his shortcomings. There are NO shortcomings in the GOAL itself.
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Well, I guess we've ruled me out as the next HC.
 
Let me answer a Q with a Q. Do you think a staff who has been beaten senseless after every bye week has a coherent plan about anything?
 
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Ethnicsands said:
Manny likes data. He analyzes how quickly kids celebrate with their teammates while losing by 2 tds to FIU. That is how you know who’s a true teammate!
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Did you see Saban Bellichik special on HBO? One of them nailed it when they said the modern school of coaching promotes technology/analytic guys who can’t teach a kid to tackle.

sounds familiar...
 
kyle_schick said:
I am an analyst by trade. What we do is look at the past and present to make the best assessment of the future that we possibly can.

Everyone has been parading Manny up and down as an analytics guy. THIS IS COMPLETE BS. Manny is a numbers guy. Hes a statistics guy. This is completely different than actually analyzing things.


An analyst would do things like study your opponents game film to determine tendencies, patterns, and schemes. Like filming your opponents sidelines to figure out their signals and substitutions. From there you would develop your game-plan around your opponents weaknesses and trends, and your strengths.

A numbers guy is like a computer. Hes tracking every little thing and having the raw data put into spreadsheets with easy to read pictographs like bar graphs and other diagrams. From there a numbers guy would develop their game-plan based on the statistics of whatever data was input into the computer.


Manny is a numbers guy. Hes the kind of coach who will call a play because to him, it has the "highest probability of being successful." Now we are not in the locker room so we dont know how they're measuring probability of success, but we know that its wrong.

We have watched an entire season of Miami call questionable plays. The coaches have known since the pre-season that the offensive line was going to be weak. But they still continued to call slow-developing play action passes requiring the QB to turn around and go through a long drop-back. Why? Because in their heads, the play has the "highest probability of success." The goal-line play against FIU is the perfect example. Instead of taking advantage of your opponents glaring weakness by checking out of the run and throwing an easy TD, you still run into a 10-man box. QB's dont have the ability to audible, because the numbers; the statistics already determined the best chance to score. When it doesn't work, the coaches blame it on a lack of execution.

This is also the same kind of nonsense you get with tracking the "spontaneous reaction to teammate success." That means that Miami has personnel reviewing the sidelines, and field of every play, and inputting into a computer these cheering points for every player on the team. This may even factor into playing time. Its not analytics, its just numbers and it leads to non-nonsensical decisions.

Im not a Butch slurper, but what he was doing by having the constant fake injuries to get real-time adjustments to Miamis formations, was great. Genius adaptation to the situation.


Manny will never be successful here and might lead the program into the deepest hole its ever been in, and one of the biggest reasons is because hes a numbers guy. Not an analytics guy.
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Brilliant.
 
kyle_schick said:
I am an analyst by trade. What we do is look at the past and present to make the best assessment of the future that we possibly can.

Everyone has been parading Manny up and down as an analytics guy. THIS IS COMPLETE BS. Manny is a numbers guy. Hes a statistics guy. This is completely different than actually analyzing things.


An analyst would do things like study your opponents game film to determine tendencies, patterns, and schemes. Like filming your opponents sidelines to figure out their signals and substitutions. From there you would develop your game-plan around your opponents weaknesses and trends, and your strengths.

A numbers guy is like a computer. Hes tracking every little thing and having the raw data put into spreadsheets with easy to read pictographs like bar graphs and other diagrams. From there a numbers guy would develop their game-plan based on the statistics of whatever data was input into the computer.


Manny is a numbers guy. Hes the kind of coach who will call a play because to him, it has the "highest probability of being successful." Now we are not in the locker room so we dont know how they're measuring probability of success, but we know that its wrong.

We have watched an entire season of Miami call questionable plays. The coaches have known since the pre-season that the offensive line was going to be weak. But they still continued to call slow-developing play action passes requiring the QB to turn around and go through a long drop-back. Why? Because in their heads, the play has the "highest probability of success." The goal-line play against FIU is the perfect example. Instead of taking advantage of your opponents glaring weakness by checking out of the run and throwing an easy TD, you still run into a 10-man box. QB's dont have the ability to audible, because the numbers; the statistics already determined the best chance to score. When it doesn't work, the coaches blame it on a lack of execution.

This is also the same kind of nonsense you get with tracking the "spontaneous reaction to teammate success." That means that Miami has personnel reviewing the sidelines, and field of every play, and inputting into a computer these cheering points for every player on the team. This may even factor into playing time. Its not analytics, its just numbers and it leads to non-nonsensical decisions.

Im not a Butch slurper, but what he was doing by having the constant fake injuries to get real-time adjustments to Miamis formations, was great. Genius adaptation to the situation.


Manny will never be successful here and might lead the program into the deepest hole its ever been in, and one of the biggest reasons is because hes a numbers guy. Not an analytics guy.
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Well said. The fact that manny admits to tracking sideline celebrations goes to your point about quantification of numbers and not analysis. Imagine spending time tracking something so useless. He allocates scarce resources to utter nonsense.
 
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We the Boss said:
Did you see Saban Bellichik special on HBO? One of them nailed it when they said the modern school of coaching promotes technology/analytic guys who can’t teach a kid to tackle.

sounds familiar...
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I saw the clip, it was Belichick. But it struck me as a bit of a false soundbite. Analytics is very important to all sports. Saying otherwise is ceazy. It’s just that it’s only one piece of a bigger picture, and it doesn’t mean much if you can’t tackle. Go watch Ed Reed’s clip where he picks Manning. Belichick raves about that play. But it was a function of studying Manning’s tendencies, which is what analytics is about. Having analytics won’t help if the other guy has Ed Reed. Which is why I have harped on EVALS on these boards for ages.
 
Ethnicsands said:
I saw the clip, it was Belichick. But it struck me as a bit of a false soundbite. Analytics is very important to all sports. Saying otherwise is ceazy. It’s just that it’s only one piece of a bigger picture, and it doesn’t mean much if you can’t tackle. Go watch Ed Reed’s clip where he picks Manning. Belichick raves about that play. But it was a function of studying Manning’s tendencies, which is what analytics is about. Having analytics won’t help if the other guy has Ed Reed. Which is why I have harped on EVALS on these boards for ages.
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Don’t disagree. I think there point was you have to learn how to walk before you run. If you can’t coach fundamentals the technology doesn’t help.
 
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RemainMack said:
What is the guy's vision? He throws people/culture (of which he has been part of the past 4 years) under the bus, and uses extravagant hyperbole, but what does he actually want and how does he expect us to get there (culture, staff, recruiting/development, overall system). Is he going to give us a better sense on his macro-level program building concepts? For instance, what kind of guys are we recruiting and do they work with the staff we have? More importantly given where we were as a program when Manny took over, how are we developing and where do we want to go?

Based on what I can tell in recruiting, and this current class as is, we have a lot of good players, but how do they fit or help us get better?

The cynic in me feels that while Manny is all in on analytics, he has no real substantive vision and subsequent metrics for how to progress as a program.

Most of us laugh at having Butch back but at least with FIU he has a **** plan for the guys he wants (5th/6th tier recruits or not) and attributes he wants.

Very simply (two things he has been quoted):

-Butch looks at the number of 40 times on the roster which hit a threshold when he took over in comparison to now
-Butch looks at strength numbers in comparison from when he started to now and number of guys hitting metrics from then to now

Does Manny look at this on a longitudinal basis? Is it important enough to him?

Butch says:

-"Every class they want to recruit they want to be 'better' than every other prior class (to build competition and depth). "
:So I'm sure every class they actually evaluate if they are improving their roster based on attributes they want. Does Manny do this? Based on some of the last second recruiting in this first class, it seems like there is no back-up plans and guys he wants to take (Francois and his mental issues) runs counter to what he initially finds important in team culture. Manny allowing head-cases to leave and return without consequence, etc. Giving up school records for sacks and only have 2 OL committed when we need 5 for competition and program improvement.

Again I am just bringing up a few concepts, some very simple (speed number improvements as a program) that Butch brought up that are clear metrics as to what he finds important in building a program. I just don't have a clue what the vision is yet, from Manny.

Outside of the awful performances week after week by Manny I just want to see post-spring, what are his metrics, how is he evaluating progress outside of tweets/stupidity? Like 99% of most fans I don't think Manny is remotely close to being the guy here. Absolute confirmation will take place post-spring when we hear or don't hear) his evaluations based on (whatever it is) his vision for progress. Right now, everything is just a **** mess.
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100000% - fantastic write-up. What you just wrote is extremely important and it’s **** near exactly what Ive been saying this over and over and over.
 
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