MEGA Mega Merged Stadium Thread.

[TheOriginalCane]

There are interesting precedents and articles regarding sports venues in real estate development. "Mixed use sports developments position themselves as truly year around destinations". "Incorporating hotels, offices, apartments, event spaces and developing a best in class neighborhood". One Daytona is somewhat similar ... adding residential units (apartments / condos) to the shopping, restaurant, hotel, and event venues initially established across from the Speedway. Miami, being an international tourist mecca, could certainly take it up a notch.

Absolutely correct.

And since I worked on One Daytona, I can tell you that there are PROPERTY TAX advantages to doing a mixed-use development.

These kinds of sport-centric mixed-use developments have changed the discussion, all over the country.

Except in South Florida, where stubborn heel-draggers continue to be resistant to tearing down 75 year old roach-infested buildings unless the replacement is a mansion or a high-rise condo.

Only in South Florida do you see the pearl-clutchers who act as if ancient 3-story concrete-block crapartments should be historical protected architecture, as well as the answer to affordable housing.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Grounds and the stadium are looking pristine and dare I say cool with F1 in town this weekend.

You mean the amazing F1 event that is such a huge moneymaker that in Year 2 they are already offering 40% off for tickets because they can't sell out and the Las Vegas event is infinitely more worthwhile?

 

[Rellyrell]

Absolutely correct.

And since I worked on One Daytona, I can tell you that there are PROPERTY TAX advantages to doing a mixed-use development.

These kinds of sport-centric mixed-use developments have changed the discussion, all over the country.

Except in South Florida, where stubborn heel-draggers continue to be resistant to tearing down 75 year old roach-infested buildings unless the replacement is a mansion or a high-rise condo.

Only in South Florida do you see the pearl-clutchers who act as if ancient 3-story concrete-block crapartments should be historical protected architecture, as well as the answer to affordable housing.

It’s why SoFi along w/ the newly revamped Hollywood Park Casino grounds are creating mixed used facilities on land that will include dining, theater, condos, & business offices. That’s y a certain posters comment about no one coming over to that side of town made absolutely no sense. Lol. There’s literally restaurants, three, on its way to four entertainment venues all within 1/4 of a mile of each other, + new living facilities.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

It’s why SoFi along w/ the newly revamped Hollywood Park Casino grounds are creating mixed used facilities on land that will include dining, theater, condos, & business offices. That’s y a certain posters comment about no one coming over to that side of town made absolutely no sense. Lol. There’s literally restaurants, three, on its way to four entertainment venues all within 1/4 of a mile of each other, + new living facilities.

I'll say this. Everyone knows I respect and admire @rsa coral gables . But there are two things that he mixes up or glosses over in his passion.

1. He frequently cites the acreage of a BUILDING (i.e., Magic City Casino and/or the shopping center north of it) when he tries to claim that an ENTIRE SITE "isn't big enough"...and then he lists the acreage of an ENTIRE SITE (i.e., Hard Rock) when he tries to convince us that we will need A LOT MORE LAND than we actually need.

2. He acts as if "capitalism" will magically happen on its own and fix everything, while dismissing ANY role that can be played by government in facilitating redevelopment (i.e., eminent domain, rezoning, roadway improvements, bond issuance, etc.). Simply stated, the government does not need to FUND everything, it merely needs to be a partner in the process. And even more simply stated, South Florida is the prime example of how "capitalism-only/no-government" will consistently lead to older things being torn down to be replaced by ONLY luxury/high-cost development.

As many other cities NOT named Miami are discovering, if you ease the barriers for development of a new stadium and prime the pump by providing some land that will be used for commercial activity, the resulting project can be wildly successful.

Just imagine if St. Louis had said "no, Enterprise Rent-a-Car founding family, we are NOT going to help you build a new soccer stadium, there is a perfectly good and vacant football stadium already."

That kind of a response would have been idiotic and short-sighted. BUT CHEAPER!

 

[Rickd]

It’s why SoFi along w/ the newly revamped Hollywood Park Casino grounds are creating mixed used facilities on land that will include dining, theater, condos, & business offices. That’s y a certain posters comment about no one coming over to that side of town made absolutely no sense. Lol. There’s literally restaurants, three, on its way to four entertainment venues all within 1/4 of a mile of each other, + new living facilities.

Creative real estate design / development cures a host of location ills. I recall when Lennar was first announcing they were going to develop a major residential project in what is now Doral ... on a full section (640 acres) ... which was located just south of a major landfill. Initially people were skeptical even though Doral Estates had already been successful. Lennar put a luxurious landscaping border around the fully walled project, built a main entry with spectacular waterfalls, and Doral Isles was born, and other developers followed. Soon the cow pastures were gone and it became an incorporated city. All it takes is a plan, and then execution.

 

[Brains]

Grounds and the stadium are looking pristine and dare I say cool with F1 in town this weekend.

The only effect of F1 on 99% of Canes and Dolphins fans (and concert-goers) is to make parking a bigger hassle.

It's a financial win for Ross, not this program. Oh, and still zero playoff wins under his tenure for the Dolphins.

Apparently Ross' distraction game is working, for those that don't attend games.

 

[SayWhat]

You mean the amazing F1 event that is such a huge moneymaker that in Year 3 they are already offering 40% off for tickets because they can't sell out and the Las Vegas event is infinitely more worthwhile?

It's year 2, but you'll tell me how and why you knew that.

The grand stands, clubs, as well as the suites have all sold out. Those are where you want to be if you're there to see the race. They haven't sold out of general admission passes, which isn't uncommon at any race event. You want one, shell out $600 while the average ticket price for the rest was north of $1,000.

So what if Las Vegas is the first choice if you've gotta pick one. What does that have to do with what I said? Las Vegas is a bigger destination city than Miami. So what if EDC is larger than Ultra? Does it mean one isn't as good as the other?

Ticket prices in Miami are higher compared to Austin, which has been another successful F1 spot after Indianapolis failed. F1 is a tricky draw here in the States. Both are far cheaper than Vegas though. Miami and Vegas are at the top of the most expensive ticket prices in the entire series.

So all in all, they may have to tweak some things to make it work. F1 asks a lot of its hosts and they fail at times as it just isn't worth it, see Indy.

It's really funny to see what you dig your heels in about at times. I don't care one way or another if it succeeds or fails in Miami, but the grounds did look good on television yesterday.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

It's year 2, but you'll tell me how and why you knew that.

The grand stands, clubs, as well as the suites have all sold out. Those are where you want to be if you're there to see the race. They haven't sold out of general admission passes, which isn't uncommon at any race event. You want one, shell out $600 while the average ticket price for the rest was north of $1,000.

So what if Las Vegas is the first choice if you've gotta pick one. What does that have to do with what I said? Las Vegas is a bigger destination city than Miami. So what if EDC is larger than Ultra? Does it mean one isn't as good as the other?

Ticket prices in Miami are higher compared to Austin, which has been another successful F1 spot after Indianapolis failed. F1 is a tricky draw here in the States. Both are far cheaper than Vegas though. Miami and Vegas are at the top of the most expensive ticket prices in the entire series.

So all in all, they may have to tweak some things to make it work. F1 asks a lot of its hosts and they fail at times as it just isn't worth it, see Indy.

It's really funny to see what you dig your heels in about at times. I don't care one way or another if it succeeds or fails in Miami, but the grounds did look good on television yesterday.

You want me to tell you how I knew what? About the auto racing industry?

You're kidding, right?

Maybe you could remove your head from your ****** and read the NUMEROUS articles that are talking about how the Miami F1 race is already starting to fail.

Don't generalize about "a tricky draw". That's the line of bull**** spread by a know-nothing, parroted from some Miami F1 race promoter.

I've forgotten more about auto racing than you'll ever know.

 

[JD08]

So maybe Andytown? Let's build a stadium at Andytown.

 

[SayWhat]

You want me to tell you how I knew what? About the auto racing industry?

You're kidding, right?

Maybe you could remove your head from your ****** and read the NUMEROUS articles that are talking about how the Miami F1 race is already starting to fail.

Don't generalize about "a tricky draw". That's the line of bull**** spread by a know-nothing, parroted from some Miami F1 race promoter.

I've forgotten more about auto racing than you'll ever know.

More hot air from the self proclaimed expert on EVERYTHING.

You surely should've known this was year two, not three. I never mentioned attendance, sell out, tickets, pricing, or prognosticated about the future at Hard Rock until you tried to make an argument I didn't even start. I simply said the grounds looked pristine and cool with F1 in town.

You want to spend your day arguing whatever with whomever, by all means, knock yourself out. If I want to talk auto racing, I'll do so with my father who can call up most people in the sport. His field of expertise is Indy racing, but what's that matter. It'd be funny to have the two of you talk to find out how much you don't know.

Youve gotta be the lamest human on the planet. You'd be insufferable in any environment and that's why you're here all the time bloviating on whatever.

 

[Angry Ibis]

More hot air from the self proclaimed expert on EVERYTHING.

You surely should've known this was year two, not three. I never mentioned attendance, sell out, tickets, pricing, or prognosticated about the future at Hard Rock until you tried to make an argument I didn't even start. I simply said the grounds looked pristine and cool with F1 in town.

You want to spend your day arguing whatever with whomever, by all means, knock yourself out. If I want to talk auto racing, I'll do so with my father who can call up most people in the sport. His field of expertise is Indy racing, but what's that matter. It'd be funny to have the two of you talk to find out how much you don't know.

Youve gotta be the lamest human on the planet. You'd be insufferable in any environment and that's why you're here all the time bloviating on whatever.

Indy racing is fun. Fan friendly from a driver availability/access perspective. Would have been something if the American series hadn’t split back in the late 90s/2000s and the loss of Greg Moore as an up and comer … what could have been …

 

[Rickd]

It's year 2, but you'll tell me how and why you knew that.

The grand stands, clubs, as well as the suites have all sold out. Those are where you want to be if you're there to see the race. They haven't sold out of general admission passes, which isn't uncommon at any race event. You want one, shell out $600 while the average ticket price for the rest was north of $1,000.

So what if Las Vegas is the first choice if you've gotta pick one. What does that have to do with what I said? Las Vegas is a bigger destination city than Miami. So what if EDC is larger than Ultra? Does it mean one isn't as good as the other?

Ticket prices in Miami are higher compared to Austin, which has been another successful F1 spot after Indianapolis failed. F1 is a tricky draw here in the States. Both are far cheaper than Vegas though. Miami and Vegas are at the top of the most expensive ticket prices in the entire series.

So all in all, they may have to tweak some things to make it work. F1 asks a lot of its hosts and they fail at times as it just isn't worth it, see Indy.

It's really funny to see what you dig your heels in about at times. I don't care one way or another if it succeeds or fails in Miami, but the grounds did look good on television yesterday.

Not getting into any debate re which racing venue is the most profitable or has the brightest future ... my only comment is that Ross has really tremendously diminished the football game attendance experience for UM and Fins fans with his extracurricular land use projects at Hard Rock. The fences put up around the permanent garages and race viewing structures creates a nasty environment for foot traffic around the stadium. Loved Hard Rock as a UM football venue before the tennis and F1 .... now I would really like to see a UM football venue established using some of the sports venue / mixed use concepts discussed.

 

[Bigdaddycane44]

TP is close to being a dead issue. The residents and local pols will oppose it vigorously. You got to come up with somewhere else

I don’t doubt it’s dead but do you have a source or way to confirm?

Ruiz hasn’t said anything and he’s the person behind the mythical venue. The school hasn’t said anything about building a stadium at TP so expectations should have never been high regardless. I am curious to know if Ruiz has officially given up.

 

[Bigdaddycane44]

Not getting into any debate re which racing venue is the most profitable or has the brightest future ... my only comment is that Ross has really tremendously diminished the football game attendance experience for UM and Fins fans with his extracurricular land use projects at Hard Rock. The fences put up around the permanent garages and race viewing structures creates a nasty environment for foot traffic around the stadium. Loved Hard Rock as a UM football venue before the tennis and F1 .... now I would really like to see a UM football venue established using some of the sports venue / mixed use concepts discussed.

Glad to know I’m not the only fan fed up with all the new construction and crap at HRS.

 

[CaneinBroward]

You mean the amazing F1 event that is such a huge moneymaker that in Year 2 they are already offering 40% off for tickets because they can't sell out and the Las Vegas event is infinitely more worthwhile?

Why did they put in 30,000 more seats this year if it was such a loser? And they announced it was a sell out again? Just bs from Ross and the other sponsors?

 

[TheOriginalCane]

More hot air from the self proclaimed expert on EVERYTHING.

You surely should've known this was year two, not three. I never mentioned attendance, sell out, tickets, pricing, or prognosticated about the future at Hard Rock until you tried to make an argument I didn't even start. I simply said the grounds looked pristine and cool with F1 in town.

You want to spend your day arguing whatever with whomever, by all means, knock yourself out. If I want to talk auto racing, I'll do so with my father who can call up most people in the sport. His field of expertise is Indy racing, but what's that matter. It'd be funny to have the two of you talk to find out how much you don't know.

Youve gotta be the lamest human on the planet. You'd be insufferable in any environment and that's why you're here all the time bloviating on whatever.

You are pathetic. You're running around acting like you have won an argument over a typo (which I corrected).

I don't proclaim to be an expert on everything. But I sure as **** know more than you do about auto racing and ticket sales. That is an absolute definitive fact. Ask around, while I laugh at you trying to diminish what I know of the industry. And stop trying to get your daddy to fight your battles for you.

It really doesn't matter that you "simply said" that the grounds looked pristine and cool. If that's all you cared about saying, you wouldn't have been bothered by my response about the weak ticket sales. Honestly, I'd EXPECT a stadium and parking lot that hasn't been used in 4 months to look "pristine" and "cool". My point was very clear, Stephen Ross is sacrificing the goose that laid the golden egg (football) for a once-a-year event that is already struggling to sell tickets IN YEAR TWO.

The thread is about a NEW stadium, and you chose this thread to pump up one of the non-football events which is threatening UM's tenancy in a rented football facility currently being repurposed for multiple other non-football events. The idea that you couldn't possibly have anticipated any F1-adverse response is hilarious.

Enjoy your over-priced 2 hour sporting event held in a football stadium parking lot, and be sure to tell Stephen Ross what a sporting visionary he is.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Why did they put in 30,000 more seats this year if it was such a loser? And they announced it was a sell out again? Just bs from Ross and the other sponsors?

First, it was not a loser IN YEAR 1. In Year 1, it sold out because of its NOVELTY and the fact that there were only 2 races in the US.

As is typical for greedy Stephen Ross, he figured he could sell more tickets and more expensive tickets in Year 2, but he's had to slash ticket prices by up to 40%. Some of it has to do with the fact that the event is over-priced, and some of it has to do with the Las Vegas and Austin events. The Austin venue is a superior venue and Las Vegas is doing what Miami should have done, which is to stage a street circuit.

Second, on the "sellout" and overall capacity issues, I already made clear that they had to STRUGGLE to sell tickets in 2023, having to discount them by as much as 40%. IN YEAR TWO. If you think that's a measure of demand, that's up to you.

Again, I am accurate on all of this, and the issue is whether Ross is ******** over UM to make extra cash. And I guess that "only" getting 60% of what he raked in last year on F1 is still pretty good.

F1, as a sport, struggles to figure out its scheduling. You can look at the history of F1 races in North America and it's pretty spotty. Just because an F1 race sells out once doesn't mean it will become a permanent event.

But football, on the other hand, is pretty reliable revenue.

 

[SayWhat]

You are pathetic. You're running around acting like you have won an argument over a typo (which I corrected).

I don't proclaim to be an expert on everything. But I sure as **** know more than you do about auto racing and ticket sales. That is an absolute definitive fact. Ask around, while I laugh at you trying to diminish what I know of the industry. And stop trying to get your daddy to fight your battles for you.

It really doesn't matter that you "simply said" that the grounds looked pristine and cool. If that's all you cared about saying, you wouldn't have been bothered by my response about the weak ticket sales. Honestly, I'd EXPECT a stadium and parking lot that hasn't been used in 4 months to look "pristine" and "cool". My point was very clear, Stephen Ross is sacrificing the goose that laid the golden egg (football) for a once-a-year event that is already struggling to sell tickets IN YEAR TWO.

The thread is about a NEW stadium, and you chose this thread to pump up one of the non-football events which is threatening UM's tenancy in a rented football facility currently being repurposed for multiple other non-football events. The idea that you couldn't possibly have anticipated any F1-adverse response is hilarious.

Enjoy your over-priced 2 hour sporting event held in a football stadium parking lot, and be sure to tell Stephen Ross what a sporting visionary he is.

Blah, blah, blah, blah.

The F1 event is threatening our tenancy there? It's hurting the golden goose? The Phins and us will be playing there for years or decades while people like you will still be here talking about a new stadium.

I'm never bothered by a thing you say. I just wish you had a Wife and some friends to keep you off this board more. Since you feel so strongly about it all, why don't you get in touch with Mr. Ross who's laughing his way to the bank as his revenue has skyrocketed with all of the additions.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

I don’t doubt it’s dead but do you have a source or way to confirm?

Ruiz hasn’t said anything and he’s the person behind the mythical venue. The school hasn’t said anything about building a stadium at TP so expectations should have never been high regardless. I am curious to know if Ruiz has officially given up.

I know there’s an organized effort from residents in the area to try and prevent the stadium being built there.

Critics organize to fight proposed UM stadium at Tropical Park

Residents have set up a website, online petition and social media accounts to raise issues about the stadium proposal and put pressure on lawmakers.

www.axios.com

There are other impediments as well.

I’m honestly just bored with the whole thing, until someone comes up with a real plan and the money, which isn’t even close to happening anytime soon.

 

[Bigdaddycane44]

I know there’s an organized effort from residents in the area to try and prevent the stadium being built there.

Critics organize to fight proposed UM stadium at Tropical Park

Residents have set up a website, online petition and social media accounts to raise issues about the stadium proposal and put pressure on lawmakers.

www.axios.com

There are other impediments as well.

Yeah but that’s from last year, and I’d be surprised if locals didn’t oppose the project vs supporting it. I want it, but I’m not a believer they can get it done.