Mcintosh hears from Draft Board

[No_Fly_Zone]

I think the mistake is fans often mistake possibility for probability.

Berrios had a huge Senior season, so he's the case for having a huge Senior year to improve your draft stock. But players like Chad Thomas, Darling, McDermott - they're pretty much the same players now as they were last year.

- If Yearby had returned this year, he'd have a diploma instead of being a semester away from a diploma, but probably no more likely to be drafted.
- Stacy Coley could've gone pro after his Jr. season and been a 7th round draft pick. He came back in 2016, had a good year, and was a 7th round draft pick.
- Kaaya didn't seem like that much different a QB from his Frosh to Jr. year. I doubt his Senior year would've helped his draft stock much.

McIntosh coming back and playing himself into a 1st rounder is a possibility. But it's slim. About as likely as him coming back, getting injured or regressing - which is also slim.

The most likely scenario is McIntosh leaves this year, and is a 4th-5th round pick. Or he comes back, has another good year, gets his diploma, and is a 3rd-4th round pick. I think that's what he should be contemplating.

Chad Thomas and even McDermott improved their draft stock. Thomas was stout and consistent all season, and continued to build upon a solid 2016 season. McDermott's pass protection from the LT spot looked improved from last season, and he showed scouts OT is his best position. Darling, on the other hand, just continued to put out more bad tape of himself getting penalized, making mental errors, and falling on his *** while overreaching on his blocks. But then again, Darling wasn't going anywhere based on last season's film either.

 

[DTP]

The knock against McIntosh is his strength. As of right now he's not viewed as an every down DT in the league. He has success on slants and stunts where he's asked to shoot gaps and squeeze into the backfield. He's elite in that area. However, in the NFL he will be asked to play head up on his man and take on blockers at the point of attack and he's struggled against quicker linemen who can get their hands on him. Now I understand that he's never going to be an immovable object and teams won't ask him to be but he's got to get more stout against the run or he'll simply be a situational player. Another year in the strength program and Kool's tutelage will only help him. The only way he won't improve his draft stock is if he gets hurt and the subject of insurance has already been mentioned.

 

[TC7D]

It has been mostly accurate. Majority of the time the guys they tell they wont be 1st or 2nd round picks usually dont. Everything is not something to bîtch about.

This. The advisory board has something like a 79% accuracy rate. If they tell you you're not a 1st or 2nd round talent, they're almost always right.

RJ can leave now, get drafted in the 4th or 5th round, hope to make a roster, and be easily dismissed if he doesn't pan out early. Or he can stay another year, improve draft stock, maybe actually make a lot of money up front and should he need a little development time, GMs are more likely to keep you around if you're an early pick. Guys drafted in the 5th-7th are easily axed. GM's look bad if they have to cut guys they pick in the earlier rounds. GM's want to justify their picks so they'll keep a 3rd rounder around a lot longer than a 5th rounder.

This is incorrect. Yes, 79% for round 1 or 2 seems like a good number, but a majority is based off of the obvious names who ask the advisory board, and doesn't include the guys who actually move way up from the rankings or those who just don't ask them. In reality the 79% is a number based off of a total of about 20-25 kids, when in reality there are 64 picks between the two rounds.

Trust me, RJ isn't a 4th or 5th round pick, as multiple teams (internally) have him as a 1st or 2nd round pick.

And you know this how?

NFL teams keep a lot their draft intention super secret, especially on sleepers they don’t want anyone else to know they’re considering. Yet a guy on a message board knows the inner workings and strategies of NFL General Managers’ strategic draft plans? Of multiple teams? Sounds legit.

I use to work for an NFL team and still have friends who are in front offices.

I will put money on it with you that RJ doesn’t go in the first 2 rounds

 

[miamimike]

Before anyone gets too optimistic, all this translates into is that he was told he isn't likely a first or second round pick. If his goal is to just be drafted and 3rd or 4th round will suffice he wasn't told that is off the table.

I am almost certain Walton, Kayaa, Yearby and a whole host of other Canes going back to Forston, Streeter, etc. were told no different and it didn't matter at all.

If we can keep 1 of the two DTs I consider it a huge win for next season.

I hope it works out for Walton, but everyone else on that list should have listened to what they were told.

Go Canes!

I wish all our guys success, even when their decision appears to be woefully stupid. I do fear for Walton however. He's coming off an injury and there really isn't a lot of film on him where he showed a lot of distinguishing elements.

Somebody will get a good deal on a good football player. His film will look great if they include the 20 td’s he scored that were called back on bs holding calls.

 

[stormsurge]

He should get counsel as to what the likelihood is that can go first round next year if he shores up deficiencies versus likelihood of going 4th-5th round this year as is.

Not sure he would ever make up the money difference between the two. Maybe a return and upgrade for next year is the smart investment.

 

[UknowWhat]

I'm usually understanding about players leaving early, but McIntosh should come back.

His biggest weakness is physical strength. He can get stronger here. You don't want to go into the NFL weak.

They should both stay... if one does I think it's Norton... actually RJ's Dad will give sound advice and apply due diligence with the decision before them

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[Canes82]

The knock against McIntosh is his strength. As of right now he's not viewed as an every down DT in the league. He has success on slants and stunts where he's asked to shoot gaps and squeeze into the backfield. He's elite in that area. However, in the NFL he will be asked to play head up on his man and take on blockers at the point of attack and he's struggled against quicker linemen who can get their hands on him. Now I understand that he's never going to be an immovable object and teams won't ask him to be but he's got to get more stout against the run or he'll simply be a situational player. Another year in the strength program and Kool's tutelage will only help him. The only way he won't improve his draft stock is if he gets hurt and the subject of insurance has already been mentioned.

Bingo.

That’s the real issue.

It’s more about maintaining gap discipline and making plays one and one. RJ shoots the gap extremely well. But he has been handled quite a bit when locked up man to man.

If he changes that expect of his game, he’s a first rounder.

Wisconsin typically has a solid O-Line. Let’s see how he handles the big stage again.

 

[UknowWhat]

Can you also remind me...Who is on the draft board?

The NFL Draft Advisory Board is a running joke within front offices and agents. It's a mix of scouting services and some front office personnel. People within the industry know the scouting services aren't very good, and the front office personnel treat it like college coaches treat their Top 25 ballots through the first month of the season. Additionally, some front office people are shady with their rankings based on how they want the draft to shake out with options.

Take the Advisory Board rankings with a grain of salt.

It has been mostly accurate. Majority of the time the guys they tell they wont be 1st or 2nd round picks usually dont. Everything is not something to bîtch about.

This. The advisory board has something like a 79% accuracy rate. If they tell you you're not a 1st or 2nd round talent, they're almost always right.

RJ can leave now, get drafted in the 4th or 5th round, hope to make a roster, and be easily dismissed if he doesn't pan out early. Or he can stay another year, improve draft stock, maybe actually make a lot of money up front and should he need a little development time, GMs are more likely to keep you around if you're an early pick. Guys drafted in the 5th-7th are easily axed. GM's look bad if they have to cut guys they pick in the earlier rounds. GM's want to justify their picks so they'll keep a 3rd rounder around a lot longer than a 5th rounder.

Yeah as 4th Rounder you are already on the bubble of not making the season roster.

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[thinkkaz]

Can you also remind me...Who is on the draft board?

The NFL Draft Advisory Board is a running joke within front offices and agents. It's a mix of scouting services and some front office personnel. People within the industry know the scouting services aren't very good, and the front office personnel treat it like college coaches treat their Top 25 ballots through the first month of the season. Additionally, some front office people are shady with their rankings based on how they want the draft to shake out with options.

Take the Advisory Board rankings with a grain of salt.

It has been mostly accurate. Majority of the time the guys they tell they wont be 1st or 2nd round picks usually dont. Everything is not something to bîtch about.

This. The advisory board has something like a 79% accuracy rate. If they tell you you're not a 1st or 2nd round talent, they're almost always right.

RJ can leave now, get drafted in the 4th or 5th round, hope to make a roster, and be easily dismissed if he doesn't pan out early. Or he can stay another year, improve draft stock, maybe actually make a lot of money up front and should he need a little development time, GMs are more likely to keep you around if you're an early pick. Guys drafted in the 5th-7th are easily axed. GM's look bad if they have to cut guys they pick in the earlier rounds. GM's want to justify their picks so they'll keep a 3rd rounder around a lot longer than a 5th rounder.

Yeah as 4th Rounder you are already on the bubble of not making the season roster.

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Love what you've done w/your son Mr. Quarterman (great player/great person), but this is incorrect. If a 4th rounder doesn't make a roster something has gone horribly wrong for that draft pick to get cut in his first season. That player absolutely should make the roster & if not, the GM should get ready to find another job. There are anomalies out there, but as a general rule 4th rounders absolutely will make a roster.

 

[KATKER]

File a insurance policy and graduate school. It's a no brainer for him.

 

[OldhamA]

The NFL Draft Advisory Board is a running joke within front offices and agents. It's a mix of scouting services and some front office personnel. People within the industry know the scouting services aren't very good, and the front office personnel treat it like college coaches treat their Top 25 ballots through the first month of the season. Additionally, some front office people are shady with their rankings based on how they want the draft to shake out with options.

Take the Advisory Board rankings with a grain of salt.

It has been mostly accurate. Majority of the time the guys they tell they wont be 1st or 2nd round picks usually dont. Everything is not something to bîtch about.

This. The advisory board has something like a 79% accuracy rate. If they tell you you're not a 1st or 2nd round talent, they're almost always right.

RJ can leave now, get drafted in the 4th or 5th round, hope to make a roster, and be easily dismissed if he doesn't pan out early. Or he can stay another year, improve draft stock, maybe actually make a lot of money up front and should he need a little development time, GMs are more likely to keep you around if you're an early pick. Guys drafted in the 5th-7th are easily axed. GM's look bad if they have to cut guys they pick in the earlier rounds. GM's want to justify their picks so they'll keep a 3rd rounder around a lot longer than a 5th rounder.

Yeah as 4th Rounder you are already on the bubble of not making the season roster.

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Love what you've done w/your son Mr. Quarterman (great player/great person), but this is incorrect. If a 4th rounder doesn't make a roster something has gone horribly wrong for that draft pick to get cut in his first season. That player absolutely should make the roster & if not, the GM should get ready to find another job. There are anomalies out there, but as a general rule 4th rounders absolutely will make a roster.

They'll usually make the roster the first season, but after that you're subject to being cut if you're not pulling up trees.

 

[Earnest T. Bass]

Before anyone gets too optimistic, all this translates into is that he was told he isn't likely a first or second round pick. If his goal is to just be drafted and 3rd or 4th round will suffice he wasn't told that is off the table.

I am almost certain Walton, Kayaa, Yearby and a whole host of other Canes going back to Forston, Streeter, etc. were told no different and it didn't matter at all.

If we can keep 1 of the two DTs I consider it a huge win for next season.

You make a great point...look at all the players that apparently received the unambiguous advice, get your *** back in school, yet they foolishly ignored said advice.

In fairness, some of this stupidity is courtesy of agents who don't give two shyts about those kids and are only interested in making a buck off them, so they paint a picture of big money that they know is a lie.

Hopefully, this year's crop of players on the verge of making a dream killing mistake will listen to Coach Richt who I believe will shoot them straight and have their best interests at heart.

 

[Jax Cane]

Can you also remind me...Who is on the draft board?

The NFL Draft Advisory Board is a running joke within front offices and agents. It's a mix of scouting services and some front office personnel. People within the industry know the scouting services aren't very good, and the front office personnel treat it like college coaches treat their Top 25 ballots through the first month of the season. Additionally, some front office people are shady with their rankings based on how they want the draft to shake out with options.

Take the Advisory Board rankings with a grain of salt.

It has been mostly accurate. Majority of the time the guys they tell they wont be 1st or 2nd round picks usually dont. Everything is not something to bîtch about.

This. The advisory board has something like a 79% accuracy rate. If they tell you you're not a 1st or 2nd round talent, they're almost always right.

RJ can leave now, get drafted in the 4th or 5th round, hope to make a roster, and be easily dismissed if he doesn't pan out early. Or he can stay another year, improve draft stock, maybe actually make a lot of money up front and should he need a little development time, GMs are more likely to keep you around if you're an early pick. Guys drafted in the 5th-7th are easily axed. GM's look bad if they have to cut guys they pick in the earlier rounds. GM's want to justify their picks so they'll keep a 3rd rounder around a lot longer than a 5th rounder.

****Money Post ***** spot on. Elevating your draft not only earns the obvious higher signing bonus as well as a better contracts but it also ensure you a longer career and a better shot of sticking wkth a team.

 

[bshaw28]

I think the mistake is fans often mistake possibility for probability.

But players like Chad Thomas, Darling, McDermott - they're pretty much the same players now as they were last year.

Chad Thomas and even McDermott improved their draft stock. Thomas was stout and consistent all season, and continued to build upon a solid 2016 season. McDermott's pass protection from the LT spot looked improved from last season, and he showed scouts OT is his best position. Darling, on the other hand, just continued to put out more bad tape of himself getting penalized, making mental errors, and falling on his *** while overreaching on his blocks. But then again, Darling wasn't going anywhere based on last season's film either.

The scenario being discussed for McIntosh is a 3 round jump - going from a 4th/5th, to a 1st/2nd.

Do you think Thomas or McDermott's Senior years moved them from a 6th/7th, to a 3rd/4th? I don't think so. IMO - their Senior seasons may have increased their draft stock, but not significantly. They were both solid this year, but neither made a leap. And that's more of the norm than having a huge Senior year.

I just think most fans think in terms of "why go now and be a 5th vs. come back and be 1st"? When the more likely scenario is "Go now and be a 4th, or come back and be a 3rd".

 

[252cane]

I think the mistake is fans often mistake possibility for probability.

But players like Chad Thomas, Darling, McDermott - they're pretty much the same players now as they were last year.

Chad Thomas and even McDermott improved their draft stock. Thomas was stout and consistent all season, and continued to build upon a solid 2016 season. McDermott's pass protection from the LT spot looked improved from last season, and he showed scouts OT is his best position. Darling, on the other hand, just continued to put out more bad tape of himself getting penalized, making mental errors, and falling on his *** while overreaching on his blocks. But then again, Darling wasn't going anywhere based on last season's film either.

The scenario being discussed for McIntosh is a 3 round jump - going from a 4th/5th, to a 1st/2nd.

Do you think Thomas or McDermott's Senior years moved them from a 6th/7th, to a 3rd/4th? I don't think so. IMO - their Senior seasons may have increased their draft stock, but not significantly. They were both solid this year, but neither made a leap. And that's more of the norm than having a huge Senior year.

I just think most fans think in terms of "why go now and be a 5th vs. come back and be 1st"? When the more likely scenario is "Go now and be a 4th, or come back and be a 3rd".

Chad is being discussed as going as high as the 2nd round. It definitely helped his stock.

 

[SFbayCane]

I'm usually understanding about players leaving early, but McIntosh should come back.

His biggest weakness is physical strength. He can get stronger here. You don't want to go into the NFL weak.

They should both stay... if one does I think it's Norton... actually RJ's Dad will give sound advice and apply due diligence with the decision before them

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All other things being equal, they would both be coming back into an ideal situation to improve draft status. That said, I have to wonder if they can insure RJ against a financial loss equivalent to a 3rd or 4th round pick. If he can get an affordable policy as a hedge, coming back could prove to be a great investment for him.

 

[dycane]

I think the mistake is fans often mistake possibility for probability.

But players like Chad Thomas, Darling, McDermott - they're pretty much the same players now as they were last year.

Chad Thomas and even McDermott improved their draft stock. Thomas was stout and consistent all season, and continued to build upon a solid 2016 season. McDermott's pass protection from the LT spot looked improved from last season, and he showed scouts OT is his best position. Darling, on the other hand, just continued to put out more bad tape of himself getting penalized, making mental errors, and falling on his *** while overreaching on his blocks. But then again, Darling wasn't going anywhere based on last season's film either.

The scenario being discussed for McIntosh is a 3 round jump - going from a 4th/5th, to a 1st/2nd.

Do you think Thomas or McDermott's Senior years moved them from a 6th/7th, to a 3rd/4th? I don't think so. IMO - their Senior seasons may have increased their draft stock, but not significantly. They were both solid this year, but neither made a leap. And that's more of the norm than having a huge Senior year.

I just think most fans think in terms of "why go now and be a 5th vs. come back and be 1st"? When the more likely scenario is "Go now and be a 4th, or come back and be a 3rd".

Chad is being discussed as going as high as the 2nd round. It definitely helped his stock.

Chad definitely improved his stock. His senior tape is legit. Those scouts will be shaking their head watching him being held on 80% of the plays. And he eviscerated the myth that he was prone to taking plays off. Guy probably went from 6th round to low 2d/high 3rd.

 

[TheRichtShow]

I'm usually understanding about players leaving early, but McIntosh should come back.

His biggest weakness is physical strength. He can get stronger here. You don't want to go into the NFL weak.

They should both stay... if one does I think it's Norton... actually RJ's Dad will give sound advice and apply due diligence with the decision before them

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All other things being equal, they would both be coming back into an ideal situation to improve draft status. That said, I have to wonder if they can insure RJ against a financial loss equivalent to a 3rd or 4th round pick. If he can get an affordable policy as a hedge, coming back could prove to be a great investment for him.

As of a few years ago, colleges can now pay the insurance premiums for guys who return for their senior seasons.

I'm sure this is something Richt will let him know about. I'm not sure where McIntosh will be valued by the people who do the calculations, but Miami will be able to pay for his policy, and I'm sure it will be worth at least seven figures

 

[No_Fly_Zone]

I think the mistake is fans often mistake possibility for probability.

But players like Chad Thomas, Darling, McDermott - they're pretty much the same players now as they were last year.

Chad Thomas and even McDermott improved their draft stock. Thomas was stout and consistent all season, and continued to build upon a solid 2016 season. McDermott's pass protection from the LT spot looked improved from last season, and he showed scouts OT is his best position. Darling, on the other hand, just continued to put out more bad tape of himself getting penalized, making mental errors, and falling on his *** while overreaching on his blocks. But then again, Darling wasn't going anywhere based on last season's film either.

The scenario being discussed for McIntosh is a 3 round jump - going from a 4th/5th, to a 1st/2nd.

Do you think Thomas or McDermott's Senior years moved them from a 6th/7th, to a 3rd/4th? I don't think so. IMO - their Senior seasons may have increased their draft stock, but not significantly. They were both solid this year, but neither made a leap. And that's more of the norm than having a huge Senior year.

I just think most fans think in terms of "why go now and be a 5th vs. come back and be 1st"? When the more likely scenario is "Go now and be a 4th, or come back and be a 3rd".

In both players' cases, yes.

McDermott came back, started every game at LT, and was named third team All-ACC. Now Walter's has him going in rounds 5-7 and NFL Draft Scout projects him as a 4th round pick. Had McDermott left after last season, he likely would not have been drafted at all considering his subpar play at guard last season and the fact he did not show up on Walters or any other ranking I could find for the 2017 Draft (which generally means a player is not draftable in their estimation). Walters presently has McDermott ranked as the No. 26 OT/OG for the 2018 draft.

I think Chad Thomas probably would have been drafted last season had he gone pro. But he came back and had another solid season at DE and was far more consistent than last year. Walters presently has him going in rounds 3-4 of the 2018 draft, and NFL Draft Scout has him going in round 3. And DraftTek has him as the No. 99 overall player and No. 13 DE. By comparison, Tony Pauline of DraftInsider rated Chad Thomas as a "late round pick" for the 2017 Draft this time last year. Walters currently has Major Nine at 13 for the 2018 draft. Matt Miller (Bleacher Report) did not have Chad Thomas in his top 30 defensive lineman last December (or his top 41 edge rushers).

Short version: McDermott went from perceived undraftable to late-round pick in a year. And Chad Thomas went from a perceived "late-round pick" (at best) to a consensus 3-4 round pick.

 

[reg]

FSU's Damarcus Christmas announced today that he is coming back for his senior season. Regarding this announcement, guess who's not feeling black, Vern! Lol.

Hopefully RJ follows suit with this decision.