Maybe the run D isn't as bad as we thought.

[The Franchise]

This.

Short/Medium passing lanes all over the field.

Dealer's choice. Guys open everywhere.

I'm just making an informed guess here, but I bet several QBs had the best game of their season last year against UM.

 

[paksat]

Dealer's choice. Guys open everywhere.

I'm just making an informed guess here, but I bet several QBs had the best game of their season last year against UM.

that's gotta be scheme right?

or was our secondary that huge of a drop off from the previous season?

I struggle believing the latter for one sole reason, our LB's fell off

 

[The Franchise]

that's gotta be scheme right?

or was our secondary that huge of a drop off from the previous season?

I struggle believing the latter for one sole reason, our LB's fell off

I don't know if it's scheme or not, but, ultimately, it's Diaz's job to fix it. It could be as simple as using the wrong players in the wrong spots or asking guys to do things they don't do very well.

There are explanations, but there are no excuses for allowing so many QBs to have career days against us last year.

Diaz apologists blame the offense, but that doesn't fly because a lot of the damage those pedestrian QBs were doing was right from the beginning of the game before the offense's struggles could have any effect on the defense.

 

[cane since birth]

Our run defense was solid most of the year except the clemson game but nothing went right for us in that game, teams toward the end of the year killed us when we went cover one with redwine on the slot guy

 

[BigJoeGrizzly]

The difference in third down tackling with Corn, Carter, Jenkz and Colbert as opposed to Redwine, Young, Jaquan, and Bandy/Delaney is irrefutable.

The former were pretty **** good at open field tackling and stopping cats short of the sticks.

McCloud alone missed about 30 3rd down tackles and he isn't even a DB.

Perhaps McCloud should be off the field on 3rd and long? Maybe another DB would be a fantastic idea in that situation?

 

[boxtonenyc]

The difference in third down tackling with Corn, Carter, Jenkz and Colbert as opposed to Redwine, Young, Jaquan, and Bandy/Delaney is irrefutable.

The former were pretty **** good at open field tackling and stopping cats short of the sticks.

McCloud alone missed about 30 3rd down tackles and he isn't even a DB.

Guys were wide open on third down all the time. It wasnt a tackling issue.

 

[SmokeyRone]

I don't know if it's scheme or not, but, ultimately, it's Diaz's job to fix it. It could be as simple as using the wrong players in the wrong spots or asking guys to do things they don't do very well.

There are explanations, but there are no excuses for allowing so many QBs to have career days against us last year.

Diaz apologists blame the offense, but that doesn't fly because a lot of the damage those pedestrian QBs were doing was right from the beginning of the game before the offense's struggles could have any effect on the defense.

Weren't we in a lot of zone on 3rd down when opponents torched us?

Something was very wrong. How many times did we stuff the run on 1st, and again on 2nd (or forced an INC), then non QB's hit wide open recievers on 3rd and long? Its rhetorical. The answer is "Way too many"

 

[Cane Dynasty]

And it was the blitzes that everyone saw coming, that teams blocked with ease, thus leaving someone open. Probably a WR on a LB. I thought several times, "Well, THAT was useless." Or, "He could have faked a heart attack and it would have been more useful than that blitz." Just complete garbage.

The best thing I saw Diaz do all year was have a DB line up on the line, then drop into coverage. Can't recall the game, but it's something different. It's always the "something different" that catches teams off guard, and we should do more of it.

In the mean time, not running our base D when teams have 4 WR on the field would be a sweet start.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[Canezum5]

Perhaps McCloud should be off the field on 3rd and long? Maybe another DB would be a fantastic idea in that situation?

He was there on a lot of those plays if he simply brokedown and got the guy down instead of trying to make the big play or if he took better angles and understood his help better

I think he can improve if he doesnt press so hard to make plays.

 

[Canezum5]

Guys were wide open on third down all the time. It wasnt a tackling issue.

Well, i believe its a combination of both with more of it being missed tackles.

Youre not watching games if you think we tackled well on 3rd down. We sucked in every facet of 3rd down. Period

 

[boxtonenyc]

Well, i believe its a combination of both with more of it being missed tackles.

Youre not watching games if you think we tackled well on 3rd down. We sucked in every facet of 3rd down. Period

We also were 76th in the nation in giving up third down RUNS.

Thats the product of having these elaborate stunts and slants with no gap principles or contain principles.

3rd down last year was one of our statistical worst—ever.

 

[cane since birth]

mccloud missed a lot of tackles this year that cost us points he gotta clean that up, same for redwine he made some clean tackles but there were times he whiffed nasty, outside of them two we were solid in that department too

 

[Canezum5]

We also were 76th in the nation in giving up third down RUNS.

Thats the product of having these elaborate stunts and slants with no gap principles or contain principles.

3rd down last year was one of our statistical worst—ever.

I dint have a problem with the stunts. I don't have a problem with the blitz... ****.. I don't even have a problem with zone defense.

I have a problem with the way Diaz employs his strategy.

If you recognize that an Oline cant block your Dline 1v1, why the **** are you blitzing so **** much? we are already getting home.

 

[Canezum5]

Weren't we in a lot of zone on 3rd down when opponents torched us?

Something was very wrong. How many times did we stuff the run on 1st, and again on 2nd (or forced an INC), then non QB's hit wide open recievers on 3rd and long? Its rhetorical. The answer is "Way too many"

Yes, a lot of conservative play on 3rd down by Diaz.

He employed the same strategy the previous year but we had what? 4 senior DBS who were grown men an excellent tacklers.

He should have catered to our talent better and stuck with man a lot more.

We played much better in a nickel defense in man coverage this year.

He was afraid of Clemson athletes and let Bryant get into a rhythm playing all that **** zone.

His biggest problem was waiting till the 2nd half to adjust to offenses.

He needs to dictate more and stop waiting for a counter punch.

 

[siulrc]

Yeah, I have no stats to back it up, but having watched every game, it seemed like we did "OK" stopping the run when we seemed to focus on stopping the run. We were ripped repeatedly through the air on 3rd downs, and it didn't seem to matter whether the opposing team had a great QB or not. We made third string QBs on mediocre ACC teams look like viable starters.

Go watch the Wisconsin game!

 

[cane since birth]

Yes, a lot of conservative play on 3rd down by Diaz.

He employed the same strategy the previous year but we had what? 4 senior DBS who were grown men an excellent tacklers.

He should have catered to our talent better and stuck with man a lot more.

We played much better in a nickel defense in man coverage this year.

He was afraid of Clemson athletes and let Bryant get into a rhythm playing all that **** zone.

His biggest problem was waiting till the 2nd half to adjust to offenses.

He needs to dictate more and stop waiting for a counter punch.

He needs to play more nickle, playing that cover one **** with redwine killed us last year he isn't athletic enough to go one on ome with the slot receivers and teams with good slot guys killed him example the wiscy game

 

[biggee04]

That kid from Wisky is the Heisman front runner right now at +600.

He will touch it about 40 times a game..behind that Oline he should...

 

[Texxcane]

^^ THIS
We've got to admit that our 3rd down blitzes with zone coverage have become about as predictable as sunrise.

We've got to mix it up our blitzes with differing coverages more if we want to confuse our opposition, because now they don't seem bothered in the least

Yep, Manny needs to step it up and earn his money IMO, our guys are consistently unprepared and out of position, we can get away with that on stopping the run, we have good athletes, pass d is a different animal. We cannot depend on getting 1000 turnovers every year, notice the teams that didn't turn the ball over gave us ****, 3rd and long was damm near automatic, there's no sense in getting beat by guys who couldn't even play for us, that ****es me off. Manny did basically the same thing at Texas, they played one team all year that could match their talent, OU, the rest they should have easily been able to shut down, Texas would get them behind the chains on 1st and 2nd down, then let them outta the hole on 3rd and long, over and over. BYU ran a train on em to the tune of 550yds, and half that was the damm QB, and that sealed the deal. Think about how complicated BYU's offense is, about the most one dimensional offense in football, you know what their gonna do, you can't tell me Texas don't have the horses to stop that. You woulda thought he would have learned working under Mickey Andrews, that man could coach. I'm sorry but I am just not sold on Manny, I like him, love his fire, he's got a motor like a DC needs, I'm just not sure he gets the technical part of it, and the college game is getting just like the league in that offenses are getting better and better at disguise's and designing specific plays for specific situations etc its not all about my athletes are better than yours like it used to be. I like Manny like I said, want him to succeed here, hes a homeboy, I like that a lot, prolly stay here a long time instead of bailing like others have,, but we can't keep giving up all these 3rd and longs, man that's sucks the wind out of a defense faster than anything else, but I blame that on Manny as much if not more than the players. Way to many times they are not even in position to make a play, coach is supposed to put his men in position then let the athlete do his thing, this is not blown coverage either. Let's hope Manny is in that film room

 

[section9]

I don't know if it's scheme or not, but, ultimately, it's Diaz's job to fix it. It could be as simple as using the wrong players in the wrong spots or asking guys to do things they don't do very well.

There are explanations, but there are no excuses for allowing so many QBs to have career days against us last year.

Diaz apologists blame the offense, but that doesn't fly because a lot of the damage those pedestrian QBs were doing was right from the beginning of the game before the offense's struggles could have any effect on the defense.

The Pitt Game was a war crime, but what really should have set off alarm bells at the Hecht was the Virginia game,

Apparently it didn’t. They went in and looked like a Pop Warner secondary the next three games.

What happened at Clemson was understandable, it was against Clemson. Even without Watson they are years ahead of us. What Wisconsin did against us, even with the holds, was unforgivable.

 

[Canezum5]

The Pitt Game was a war crime, but what really should have set off alarm bells at the Hecht was the Virginia game,

Apparently it didn’t. They went in and looked like a Pop Warner secondary the next three games.

What happened at Clemson was understandable, it was against Clemson. Even without Watson they are years ahead of us. What Wisconsin did against us, even with the holds, was unforgivable.

they lost to Syracuse., Stop it.

We got worked because Manny was afraid and Rosier sucks.