correct, but have they put in the work, S&C wise, jugs machine ? Harley went to work and became a nice receiver in second half of season. question are these 2 guys they best we have to offer at the moment ? sometimes it seems like we play guys because they have been in program ( McCloud) rather than talent that will make mistakes but will grow and make an impact....Look, sometimes a kid just doesn't have it no matter how many chances they are given. Such appears to be the case with #'s 6 & 8. They don't need to fire back and we don't need to denigrate them, BUT it is the coach's job to recognize when it's addition by subtraction. We are in that moment, now. We've been in that moment with multiple elements of this team for a while.