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Mario, Please Fire Someone on the Defensive Staff

OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
This is a weird ******* thread.

Defense wasn’t great today, and I realize Duke is not an offensive powerhouse, but I was there and I wasn’t unhappy with the defense except for a couple of breakdowns and that last stupid drive.

Yes, there’s a lot that can be improved, including tackling. Yes, there were a couple of missed tackles, but this was in no way a terrible defensive performance.

Great defense? No. But what I saw out there today is NOT what we’ve been seeing the last three games either.
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Fascinating take.

I agree on the last point. That was the worst P4 QB we have faced this year, and he did not have a career performance.

The only thing that made this a remotely comfortable performance was Duke’s decision to pass 24 times in the first half. All evidence suggests giving the ball to Sheppard from the jump would’ve resulted in a much more competent offense from Duke.

No sacks since UNC. Our DEs aren't mentioned in game, because they don’t affect the game. They combined for 5 tackles and a half a TFL today.

LBs who are experts at taking themselves out of plays, taking on OTs 1-1, collapsing into the LOS. I can’t even mention them in pass coverage, because D$ doesn’t want an ID check requirement on the site.

RB screens are again used to teleport RBs 18 yards down the field. Why rush 5 when 4 is just as effective at not getting to the QB.

Delayed Safety blitzes that are only useful to track the speed of the DB. I imagine JJ asking Heatherman, “can you time me?” five seconds after the ball is snapped.

An 8th year LB who, when you welcomed him back with open arms, you probably took a better pursuit angle than he has since high school.

There isn’t a single unit that has lived up to its potential on D, with most failing more spectacularly than anyone though preseason. Who has improved? The entire DB room is Damari Brown, switching from Tarzan to Jane play to play.

I know, I know. The DTs are solid. They are! They were at the beginning of the year, they are now.

If you have failing grades at every position group but one, you have to make changes, or you aren’t a serious program. It’s not complicated.
 
Salt said:
Coincides with loss of Moore too.
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Dre seems to be getting open a little but doesn’t seem to have the strength to high point balls and muscle the catch

Upshaw has suspect hands

Wingo I was waiting to see him get opportunity and today he dropped one between his 1-2 that Mensah was visibly upset with…

Sucks but injuries do change things
 
chrisRMNU said:
Zanecane said:
Why wouldn’t they want it? Those kids should have (and have been imo) weeded out.

OC’s are taking advantage of Heatherman’s tendencies and the kids are being blamed because of it.

I see a lack of confidence. Not a lack of effort.
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I competed in Jiu Jitsu and have been around world champions and there is a distinct difference to someone who thinks they want it and someone who actually does. Just doesn't seem like they are locked in, and I can see it with some players with their body language or on field effort. I'm not here to say the scheme is perfect, but is it that different from last year? I just think that the whole fire everybody reaction is a bit much for a team that is on pace to win 11 regular season games.
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Whose effort are you singling out?
 
OJ is hurt and has not played, Xavier Lucas is still hurt and playing with one arm. Thats a pretty big hit to your secondary. Lucas cant jam with his arms/hands, cant tackle- after every play with contact he shakes and grabs his arm. The DEs have been invisible, unexpectedly, which is not Heatherman’s fault. The LBs are suspect in coverage and the “answer” is not on the roster. Poyser is horrible pass defender, and even Bryce ball skills diminished year-over-year. Dropped another interception today.

Granted, I do not like the blitz from the 3rd level -its poorly timed with no proof of results.
 
IndayArtHauz said:
Fascinating take.

I agree on the last point. That was the worst P4 QB we have faced this year, and he did not have a career performance.

The only thing that made this a remotely comfortable performance was Duke’s decision to pass 24 times in the first half. All evidence suggests giving the ball to Sheppard from the jump would’ve resulted in a much more competent offense from Duke.

No sacks since UNC. Our DEs aren't mentioned in game, because they don’t affect the game. They combined for 5 tackles and a half a TFL today.

LBs who are experts at taking themselves out of plays, taking on OTs 1-1, collapsing into the LOS. I can’t even mention them in pass coverage, because D$ doesn’t want an ID check requirement on the site.

RB screens are again used to teleport RBs 18 yards down the field. Why rush 5 when 4 is just as effective at not getting to the QB.

Delayed Safety blitzes that are only useful to track the speed of the DB. I imagine JJ asking Heatherman, “can you time me?” five seconds after the ball is snapped.

An 8th year LB who, when you welcomed him back with open arms, you probably took a better pursuit angle than he has since high school.

There isn’t a single unit that has lived up to its potential on D, with most failing more spectacularly than anyone though preseason. Who has improved? The entire DB room is Damari Brown, switching from Tarzan to Jane play to play.

I know, I know. The DTs are solid. They are! They were at the beginning of the year, they are now.

If you have failing grades at every position group but one, you have to make changes, or you aren’t a serious program. It’s not complicated.
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This defense just let Emory Williams 2.0 and 1 offensive player push us to the brink and we had a good defensive game?

I’m amazed sometimes at the post from some ppl…
 
TexasCane90 said:
Dre seems to be getting open a little but doesn’t seem to have the strength to high point balls and muscle the catch

Upshaw has suspect hands

Wingo I was waiting to see him get opportunity and today he dropped one between his 1-2 that Mensah was visibly upset with…

Sucks but injuries do change things
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I was wanting to see more Wingo, now not so sure ☹️
 
DrNovaCane said:
This defense just let Emory Williams 2.0 and 1 offensive player push us to the brink
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We can call the defensive performance underwhelming for sure, but that statement is absolutely not true.

Duke scored a garbage time TD being down three scores in the final 30 seconds of the game. Pushing to the brink is not what I would call that.
 
You could have a flag football game in the area in the middle of the field every play and no one would ever have their flag pulled. I was texting back and forth with my brother during the game and I told him I hold my breath every time the other team has the ball just waiting on a missed tackle or missed assignment to happen to allow a score.

As far as Dawson his playcalling gets more and more confusing every game and running the most important player on the team right now on the two point conversion after doing the same thing last week which cost us a TD is ludicrous at best.

It’s hard to complain about Dawson when the offense is one of the best in the nation is kind of hard even though any OC with half a brain could run this offense but this defense is lacking at all positions other than the DT and blaming the injury to one player the reason is hard to digest.

Wake Forest looks like the best team in the conference right now and playing them again in the ACCCG is not going to be fun Cause we can outscore most teams to win but I’m not so sure we can outscore theirs this time around. I’m calling it now it will take 45 points to beat them and I’m just praying Malachi is back for the game cause if not sitting there with 2 losses on CFP selection night is going to be just like last year when the question of is Miami in or out will be the big question.
 
IndayArtHauz said:
You cannot allow this level of mismanagement to continue. Heatherman would be preferable, but there is not a single unit on that side of the ball that isn’t an abject failure.

Anything short of termination(s) means you find the product on the field acceptable and in line with championship standards.

Thank you.
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Lmao step away from the pipe wtf???
 
Nobody can convince me it isn’t mostly scheme/DC.
Literally the same exact warts were *****ed about last year by anyone with a brain.
Now we have stupid **** spot drops and worse personnel with absolutely maddening decisions on which players to play where. 100% guarantee we are better with better sub packages. Why is the staph so far behind the fans all the **** time
 
CaneandAbel said:
Fire the linebackers coach
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TexasCane90 said:
Dre seems to be getting open a little but doesn’t seem to have the strength to high point balls and muscle the catch

Upshaw has suspect hands

Wingo I was waiting to see him get opportunity and today he dropped one between his 1-2 that Mensah was visibly upset with…

Sucks but injuries do change things
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When you play freshman, you get … freshman, lack of reps, still figuring out the game plans and defenses, and little to no weight room work. Plus their bodies are still growing and most Fr. Don’t come ready to play like Toney and his work ethic. Give them some latitude, just bc y’all’s expectations are based on last year, they weren’t here. But their expectations hopefully are/were to get PT and work their way into the lineup. Well the world turns and doesn’t always line up with your personal expectations. Ya gotta go with what we got and we got freshman,.. talented but Freshman. We’re winning, not up to your expectations , that’s on you. You don’t run things, you’re a fan/alumn. B*t*hing and moaning is your prerogative and privilege, but asking for staff firings on a 9-1( 7-0 ACC) team seems asinine. Let’s let the season play out before we jump the shark and cut our nose off to spite our face. Let’s go 1-0 next week and re-evaluate then. #GOCANES🙌🏽
 
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