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Mario Cristobal

clg003 said:
UMFarArcher said:
Al Foil said:
How many titles did Butch win?

Did he ever win more than 8 games with that loaded UNC team?

No.

The legend of Butch continues....

Comma7201 said:
Besides Butch I'm having trouble of thinking of realistic proven HC

I wish they would give Butch a second chance but I don't see it happening
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It's folks like you that hire the Golden's of the world.

****, you're dumb.
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Dude enough with your pointless responses where you call someone else dumb. You have said nothing of value in any thread ever. You add nothing to threads. The only purpose you serve is ****ing people off. Your an embarrassment to the U or a very successful troll.

What kind of loser just bashes everyone and call them dumb and then says nothing smart or intelligent whatsoever?

Seriously dude your ruining every thread with you immature comments.

Just stop already.
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OMG!

80/20. You still haven't figured it out, have you? And no one's told you!

That's hilarious!

No, you're dumb alright.

Keep coming back for more. How many times a week do they water you?
 
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weownfsu said:
If they hire Cristobal I would be done with the program.


Recruiting is like tenth on the list of qualities we need in a HC.
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Your last comment is interesting since that's Butch's number one asset unless you're differentiating evaluations and recruiting.

Mario, not the most impressive resume besides who he's worked under. It would be interesting to have talked to him about his thoughts as a head coach prior to Saban and what he thinks today.
 
Tad Footeball said:
pimpcane1 said:
Tad Footeball said:
I refuse to even validate the Luigi nonsense any longer but one thing some of you guys might want to consider when throwing any name out there- If you have to mention the freakin' guy's name in conjunction WITH a coordinator that you'd also hope would be on your dream staff then the guy just might not be a good choice.
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Tad, who said that quote in your sig?
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Tad Foote in 1987. Donna was obviously inspired by it.
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Oh, okay thanks. It sounds like something Blake James would say.
 
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INCaneFan said:
weownfsu said:
If they hire Cristobal I would be done with the program.


Recruiting is like tenth on the list of qualities we need in a HC.
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Your last comment is interesting since that's Butch's number one asset unless you're differentiating evaluations and recruiting.

Mario, not the most impressive resume besides who he's worked under. It would be interesting to have talked to him about his thoughts as a head coach prior to Saban and what he thinks today.
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Cristobal is a walking medianoche. There is nothing interesting about him at all except for the cucumbers.


I'll be in the bluelot 12 for the Vag Tek game if you care to come and discuss it with me.
 
A "recruiter" isn't worth **** unless they can coach. Which is why "recruiting" is pretty far down on the list of things to consider when hiring a head coach. Saying somebody is a "recruiter" is a eupheism for "this guy can't coach worth a ****."
 
we have as many (maybe most) former players in the NFL right now. A **** could recruit here and get sizable talent. Maybe not NC talent but certainly enough to get to the ACC title game. What we haven't had is good coaching and development of players. Lots of underachieving.
 
Butch is a "recruiter," yes. Butch also knows how to recruit coaches. Butch also has a track record of success.

Trying to draw some sort of a comparison between Butch and other "recruiters" is flat out dumb. Miami needs good coaching, which will lead to wins, which ultimately lead to recruits.

Is Urban Meyer a "recruiter" because he wins ball games and assembles godly staffs, or because he has some intangible "recruiting" ability?

It blows my mind that we have had a #1 class, multiple top 15 classes, NFL players out the ***, etc. over the past decade and you still have people claiming that recruiting is the issue and that we need to hire a "recruiter" type of a coach.

Recruiting isn't the problem people. Developing those recruits has been. To suggest that Butch won solely because he recruited and not because he didn't have a staff full of future head coaches and NFL coaches to coach those studs up shows me that you don't really pay that much attention.
 
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yep. Our recruiting ends up falling off under these corches because the teams play uninspired football, aren't competitive against good teams, etc. And this is for coaches described as "recruiters!" We have a staff full of "recruiters" right now and we can't close on hardly any top prospects because the product sucks. The most important thing by far is finding a coach who actually wins games, beats teams he shouldn't, and produces teams that play winning, competitive, exciting football. Winning is a better "recruiter" than any head coach.

Yes coach's ability to "recruit" is something that should be evaluated but it's not even close to the most important thing a head coach needs to bring to the table.
 
So we can hire Cristobal without a problem, even though he left the school high and dry. But we can't hire Butch for the same reasons. Makes perfect sense.
 
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To be fair, I also think that Cristobal, although would be an improvement over Golden; would only be a moderate improvement and we'd only fall short of our goal on winning national titles. Oops, I forgot, our new goals are winning the Coastal and ACC. I think Cristobal can get that done. smh
 
weownfsu said:
yep. Our recruiting ends up falling off under these corches because the teams play uninspired football, aren't competitive against good teams, etc. And this is for coaches described as "recruiters!" We have a staff full of "recruiters" right now and we can't close on hardly any top prospects because the product sucks. The most important thing by far is finding a coach who actually wins games, beats teams he shouldn't, and produces teams that play winning, competitive, exciting football. Winning is a better "recruiter" than any head coach.

Yes coach's ability to "recruit" is something that should be evaluated but it's not even close to the most important thing a head coach needs to bring to the table.
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We don't have a staff of anything. Basically a glorified high school staff or even some subdivision football team. That's it. People tried selling some of the guys as great recruiters because their resumes didn't indicate that they were good coaching hires.

Kevin Beard: 7 on 7 and a year at a high school program coaching wide receivers.

Hurlie Brown: Louisiana Lafayette, FIU, and some position here but not coaching.

Ice Harris: High school head coach, that's it.

Larry Scott: Jack of all trades at USF

James Coley: Never called a game as OC before here.

Kareem Brown: Assistant at FIU

Paul Williams: Temple compatriot of Golden and company.

Randy Melvin: Most experience on the staff and he's been everywhere.

Art Kehoe: We all know this guy. Never went anywhere else or highly sought after.

Unimpressive staff with little experience coaching or recruiting at this level. Besides Melvin and Kehoe, none of them can hold a candle to those they're recruiting against if you list players they recruited and coached up.

Essentially, we lack coaching and recruiting ability.
 
Does Urban Meyer get recruits because of an intangible "recruiting" ability or because he has dominated at every single school he has coached?

Does Saban, the most unlikeable ****head, get recruits because of some intangible "ability" to recruit? Or does he get recruits because he beats the crap out of opponents?
 
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