Marcus Lemonis firing some shots

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

The atmosphere at hard Rock in 2016 and 2017 was actually pretty good even not filled to capacity. Place was rocking not just for ND, but VT, GT , UVA etc. With the roof it doesn’t need to be full to get loud there.

I have no doubt the game experience will be a lot like that again if we make a coaching change and the product on the field starts to show promise again like it did those seasons.

Even the non-marquee games were very well attended during those years, all we have to do is win more and that place becomes a real home-field advantage and a great place to see a game

 

[Cane6]

I can't fix every problem! Actually, I'm sure they would figure something out. Hey, maybe HARD ROCK STADIUM will use part of its parking lot for the new Santa's Enchanted Forest...

I know, I’m just being facetious

That place was such a rip off

 

[SFbayCane]

im divided. I agree but also disagree. It limits the capacity and potentially eliminates/alienates a portion of the fan base. Majority of canes fans are from the actual city not corlal gables. With that being said, even when miami was winning which i would say 2017. The notre dame game was one of the only games over 50k attendence. A college stadium, closer to campus with an actual college stadium feel would be a game changer. It's not like miami is getting 100k+ people at games every week. Could they? absolutely. But thats been years since anything like that. Hard rock can get loud and electric but go to a death valley, the big house, penn state, etc. Those college atmospheres blow hard rock out of the water and its not even close. Anybody can disagree but they're wrong. It's college footnball not the nfl. Does hardrock get loud, absolutely, is it a nice stadium.. absolutely. Does it look patheic during a 12pm game against most teams, yes. and for anyone who says recruits dont care harold perkins liked miami but said he wanted more of a college atmosphere at games.

I share some of your concerns but Im not in agreement with much of it. I have little or no concern for the students having to drive across town to see a game. UM is Miami's team, not the team of a small handful of the fanbase. UM has ~10K undergrad students. If every single one of them attended every game that would not mean too much for attendance.

We're not a college town. Hence UM games will never have that college town vibe. That said, UM tailgates tend to have an epic flavor that you cannot get anywhere in all of sport. Yes some of that includes the student tailgate section, which has NEVER been close to campus.

UM played in the Orange Bowl for 70 years and no one ever complained about not having an on-campus stadium. Field a competent team consistent with historical UM standards and the stadium will get filled. Hard Rock is a pretty **** good stadium. If there is one concern with Hard Rock its that they've been taking away the tailgating areas for formula one and tennis bulll****. That might be a valid reason to look elsewhere. (as noted by @TheOriginalCane )

In short, Im torn on the stadium idea. Again my fear is that they'll build it too small and it will not have that big game feel. I saw it out here when Stanford did it with both football and baseball. They downsized Stanford Stadium from 85K to 50K and they downsized Sunken Diamond from 5K to 1500. I would hate to see UM go that route.

 

[ssvir]

Look, you've obviously become emboldened and convinced of your tuff-guy schtick due to all of your profane Twitter attacks on UM alums and Trustees.

I'm not even going to address the obvious flaws in your argument. You aren't worth the effort. You're going to empty your bowels on everyone regardless of logical discussion.

You must think I'm someone else champ but you keep doing you though pretending to be the smartest guy in the room.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I don’t keep up with soccer, especially MLS

Totally understand, and I respect that. I'm just pointing out that a new stadium will be built in the middle of one of the busiest areas of Miami, and it will host about 20 events per year, including mid-week matches. That is all. Not saying it is "good" or "bad" or trying to convince anyone to go, only that Miami sometimes doesn't use the best planning process to approve these sorts of things. What you or I might consider "impossible" or "disastrous" for building/hosting sporting events is something that either the City or County laugh at.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

You must think I'm someone else champ but you keep doing you though pretending to be the smartest guy in the room.

Yeah, those tweets weren't you. Funny stuff.

 

[SevenNSeven]

Regardless of how one feels about the current stadium situation...

Interested how a lack of leverage might impact the deal we get the next time a lease is discussed.

Original deal that brought us to Joe Robbie (will always be the true name of the place) was pretty generous, but, without any leverage, we are completely at the mercy of Ross and co.

 

[ssvir]

Yeah, those tweets weren't you. Funny stuff.

 

[akad1984]

So your suggestion is build a "new" stadium for $500M plus another $1B in infrastructure costs that holds 45k and that will improve the attendance and atmosphere over a 64k seat centrally located stadium that is good enough for Super Bowls but not good enough for UM fans. Got it. Impeccable thought process.

“Centrally located stadium” on the western edge of the Dade-Broward line in Miami Gardens? Between that and your 60% argument, I don’t know how to respond.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Regardless of how one feels about the current stadium situation...

Interested how a lack of leverage might impact the deal we get the next time a lease is discussed.

Original deal that brought us to Joe Robbie (will always be the true name of the place) was pretty generous, but, without any leverage, we are completely at the mercy of Ross and co.

Yep. People are so worried about "not getting paid" if we return to Nike with no leverage, yet the money that we get each year from the stadium deal (tix, parking, concessions, etc.) dwarfs the shoe deal.

 

[ssvir]

“Centrally located stadium” on the western edge of the Dade-Broward line in Miami Gardens? Between that and your 60% argument, I don’t know how to respond.

I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Nearly 60% of the population of South FL is in Broward/Palm Beach so Miami Gardens being an hour south of northern Palm Beach County and an hour north of Southern Dade County is considered centrally located.

 

[Boarcane]

I honestly thought Lemonis was a huge p*ssy so this is weird coming from him.

Saving face.

 

[who]

That looks like the Miami vs UFag game from three years ago .... things change in three years. The Turnover Chain is tired.

He tweeted that picture just before the Bama game as well. He obviously was still buying into the hype.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

“Centrally located stadium” on the western edge of the Dade-Broward line in Miami Gardens? Between that and your 60% argument, I don’t know how to respond.

Plus if we lose half of the Broward-Palm Beach no-shows, what would we ever do then???!!!

Not to mention, the Ives Dairy exit is MM 16, the 846 exit is MM 3. So we are talking about a 13 mile differential on an Interstate. Neither the old Orange Bowl or Hard Rock are very far from I-95.

And I know, I know, some hardhead is going to tell us how the "Broward/Palm Beach crowd" was just abandoning the Orange Bowl 15 years ago. But, as per usual, that is an apples-oranges comparison. The APPROVED renovations to the Orange Bowl would have also included some roadway/garage improvements that would have made the old OB a bit more comparable to Hard Rock ON THE ISSUE OF GETTING IN AND OUT IN A TIMELY FASHION ON GAMEDAYS.

The fact remains, the UM fans who wanted to be at the games...SHOWED UP...when we played at the OB. And the fact remains, outside of the ND game and the UF game, Miami's attendance in Hard Rock has been declining since we left the OB. Sure, someone will pull some Google attendance numbers, but those of us who go to nearly every game can describe the differences between what we saw 20 years ago and what we see over the last few years.

And, yes, winning will fix some things, but not everything all at once.

Notice how all the "stadium critics" just invent strawman arguments?

Clearly, I would never predict that something will happen, or is likely to happen, but I'm not going to write off something completely just because of cost or complexity. ****, a few months ago, I never thought that Frenk would agree to kicking another $20 to 30 million of UM general operating funds over to the Athletic Department...

 

[TheOriginalCane]

He tweeted that picture just before the Bama game as well. He obviously was still buying into the hype.

Exactly. I don't "love" or "hate" Marcus Lemonis, but he is not a UM alum, he is on the UM BOT because he is wealthy, and multiple times over the past 3 years he has NOT found the Turnover Chain to be a "distraction". I have no problems with a guy changing his mind on an issue, but he could say something simple like "I have become disenchanted with the TO Chain and it's time to retire it", instead of making contradictory Tweets.

 

[Bubbacane10]

I share some of your concerns but Im not in agreement with much of it. I have little or no concern for the students having to drive across town to see a game. UM is Miami's team, not the team of a small handful of the fanbase. UM has ~10K undergrad students. If every single one of them attended every game that would not mean too much for attendance.

We're not a college town. Hence UM games will never have that college town vibe. That said, UM tailgates tend to have an epic flavor that you cannot get anywhere in all of sport. Yes some of that includes the student tailgate section, which has NEVER been close to campus.

UM played in the Orange Bowl for 70 years and no one ever complained about not having an on-campus stadium. Field a competent team consistent with historical UM standards and the stadium will get filled. Hard Rock is a pretty **** good stadium. If there is one concern with Hard Rock its that they've been taking away the tailgating areas for formula one and tennis bulll****. That might be a valid reason to look elsewhere. (as noted by @TheOriginalCane )

In short, Im torn on the stadium idea. Again my fear is that they'll build it too small and it will not have that big game feel. I saw it out here when Stanford did it with both football and baseball. They downsized Stanford Stadium from 85K to 50K and they downsized Sunken Diamond from 5K to 1500. I would hate to see UM go that route.

I can’t disagree with your point that its Miami’s team and the student section (student population) wouldn’t fill a stadium of that capacity but I think that’s partly Bc we’ve never had a stadium close to campus. I slightly disagree it will never have a college feel. Say 10k students show up and then another 40-50 k from the city and you have a full 60k stadium possibly even a little bigger it would have the buzz like a college stadium.

Tailgates are special at UM like no where else but I don’t think that would change with a new stadium.

If the last 20 years didn’t happen we probably wouldn’t even be talking about a stadium so I agree but that’s so far from the OB days it’s almost not even fair to compare lol. We’re not even a shell of what that era of football was for Miami.

As far as your concerns with a new stadium possibly being too small, it is a valid concern knowing our decision makers history.

 

[Bubbacane10]

Yeah, those tweets weren't you. Funny stuff.

I’m as tough as they come and I’ll **** on the bot of trustees all day. Their sheep

 

[Pearson704]

I share some of your concerns but Im not in agreement with much of it. I have little or no concern for the students having to drive across town to see a game. UM is Miami's team, not the team of a small handful of the fanbase. UM has ~10K undergrad students. If every single one of them attended every game that would not mean too much for attendance.

We're not a college town. Hence UM games will never have that college town vibe. That said, UM tailgates tend to have an epic flavor that you cannot get anywhere in all of sport. Yes some of that includes the student tailgate section, which has NEVER been close to campus.

UM played in the Orange Bowl for 70 years and no one ever complained about not having an on-campus stadium. Field a competent team consistent with historical UM standards and the stadium will get filled. Hard Rock is a pretty **** good stadium. If there is one concern with Hard Rock its that they've been taking away the tailgating areas for formula one and tennis bulll****. That might be a valid reason to look elsewhere. (as noted by @TheOriginalCane )

In short, Im torn on the stadium idea. Again my fear is that they'll build it too small and it will not have that big game feel. I saw it out here when Stanford did it with both football and baseball. They downsized Stanford Stadium from 85K to 50K and they downsized Sunken Diamond from 5K to 1500. I would hate to see UM go that route.

The Metro-rail brought the OB and the campus together. That trip from campus to Culmner or Civic Center and short walk through Little Havana was like having an on-campus stadium. It was a great part of the gameday experience that you can't account for or replace. That's why "no one ever complained about not having an on-campus stadium".

 

[KANE]

Stadium!!!

I’ll believe it when I see it.

 

[KANE]

People that think Tropical Park is a good idea have probably never even driven around that area. Just from a traffic standpoint I don’t see it. You’re right - 826 is a parking lot most of the time anyway.

Man it’s already bad enough going to basketball or baseball games and just sitting on US1 forever - and that’s not even attendance traffic that’s just regular traffic. Same kind of deal near tropical park. Imagine getting off on that one exit off of 826 with stadium traffic.

Logistical nightmare! And that’s putting it mildly.