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Ethnicsands said:
Not sure what else he cluld have said.

Translated: we didn’t have what we needed to win this game. And worry about the rest of the season.

When coaches start talking about next year before Sep. 1, ugh.
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Let me be the first to say... we can still win the Coastal.
 
Bird4um said:
The Oline issue can't be fixed.... I feel you can't get bigger/stronger during the season. So if this is the best we have so be it. We can however call better plays, teach the QB to get rid of the ball, and call different formations to give the tackles help. It is now up to Enos.
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"Can't be fixed" GTHOOH!!!

Week Zero and that's your thought process? Film room, practice, and scheming is how you fix it over the next 12 **** weeks!
 
ageezy said:
this is an excerpt of his interview this morning on wqam
"We look at it, I will say this for those tackles, and again they weren’t giving out any trophies after Saturday night: Those guys, they went through some adverse conditions and blocked some really good players. They’re only going to get better. We can sit there and shake our head at those guys, or say look at all those plays where you’re doing a pretty **** good job. … at some point we’re going to play someone and not have a freshman quarterback, freshman tackle, freshman tackle. Those guys will be sophomores and juniors. "

We're not into moral victories, i get it, but we went toe to toe with an SEC opponent with this lineup.

LT; true frosh
LG; true junior
C; redsht. soph
RG; true soph
RT; redsht. frosh
QB; redsht. frosh
TE; true soph

they won't always be this young and now that we're a few days removed hopefully everyone will see what we're trying to build and that we almost beat florida with that lineup
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I understand and appreciate that but he is skirting the issue. I want to hear him explain why they never adjusted in order to give either Nelson or Campbell some help. Why didn't we go to more max protect when it became obvious that the tackles were totally overmatched? Why not line up with an inline TE? Why were we still going under center and asking JW to execute play fakes when the staff could clearly see that JW barely had 2 seconds from the moment he snapped the ball? What on earth was the purpose of the play fakes? Who was that supposed to fool? Why did Enos not make any adjustments to their pass rushing onslaught? Why did Enos not make any schematic adjustments to exploit what the gator defense was doing differently in the 2nd half in terms of coverage?

This is all concerning to me and I'm not one of the drama queens crying about going 8-4 This year. I think this team could really develop into something special eventually and we should still win the Coastal and drop no more than one more game in the regular season. The Enos thing concerns me because he was clearly outcoached by Grantham in the 2nd half and nobody can tell me that he was handicapped because of the collapse of both offensive tackles. The reason nobody can say that is that Enos never made a concerted effort to help his struggling tackles. He basically left Nelson on an island and let Zuniga have his way with him.

All that being said I'm not going to give up on Enos after 1 game and think that his multiple spread/west coast system with lots of motion will be extremely effective here. The red flag from this game however is tough to ignore or rationalize away because what his unwillingness to change things on the fly once he saw that the UF DE tandem was destroying us shows is a stubborn individual with a rigid thinking pattern. You know the type. One of these guys that must stick to the game plan no matter what. I hope I'm wrong.
 
Lmao he goes with the “one of these years we won’t be starting freshman at key positions.”

Maybe he should develop a game plan around those freshman to maximize their talent and mask their weaknesses. No big deal though, he only had about 8 months to do it. That’s not nearly enough time
 
WhatTheHell said:
Ah, Chapter 7 of the Al Golden playbook.

Push the youth angle and use it to buy yourself time and lower expectations. Gets people off your back, gives you a few years to keep saying “just you wait until we have upperclassmen at x positions” as if all good teams are starting 22 seniors.
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well, can't argue with the OP it's what we got and it's reality .... #facts
 
Bird4um said:
The Oline issue can't be fixed.... I feel you can't get bigger/stronger during the season. So if this is the best we have so be it. We can however call better plays, teach the QB to get rid of the ball, and call different formations to give the tackles help. It is now up to Enos.
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The thing is i really didn't see the tackles just get manhandled. Maybe i missed it. From what i saw they were getting beat off the snap consistently. Before they even got out their stance uf DEs was running around them.
 
252cane said:
The thing is i really didn't see the tackles just get manhandled. Maybe i missed it. From what i saw they were getting beat off the snap consistently. Before they even got out their stance uf DEs was running around them.
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So if they are slow we ***ed.... If FLA knew our snap count thats on Enos.
 
FrancisSaywer said:
I understand and appreciate that but he is skirting the issue. I want to hear him explain why they never adjusted in order to give either Nelson or Campbell some help. Why didn't we go to more max protect when it became obvious that the tackles were totally overmatched? Why not line up with an inline TE? Why were we still going under center and asking JW to execute play fakes when the staff could clearly see that JW barely had 2 seconds from the moment he snapped the ball? What on earth was the purpose of the play fakes? Who was that supposed to fool? Why did Enos not make any adjustments to their pass rushing onslaught? Why did Enos not make any schematic adjustments to exploit what the gator defense was doing differently in the 2nd half in terms of coverage?

This is all concerning to me and I'm not one of the drama queens crying about going 8-4 This year. I think this team could really develop into something special eventually and we should still win the Coastal and drop no more than one more game in the regular season. The Enos thing concerns me because he was clearly outcoached by Grantham in the 2nd half and nobody can tell me that he was handicapped because of the collapse of both offensive tackles. The reason nobody can say that is that Enos never made a concerted effort to help his struggling tackles. He basically left Nelson on an island and let Zuniga have his way with him.

All that being said I'm not going to give up on Enos after 1 game and think that his multiple spread/west coast system with lots of motion will be extremely effective here. The red flag from this game however is tough to ignore or rationalize away because what his unwillingness to change things on the fly once he saw that the UF DE tandem was destroying us shows is a stubborn individual with a rigid thinking pattern. You know the type. One of these guys that must stick to the game plan no matter what. I hope I'm wrong.
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what if we gave up 5 sacks instead of 10, what would the opinion be then because our true frosh qb should have thrown the ball away a few times on those roll out scrambles ... yet we're not bashing jw because we're happy with what we saw, well how about having that same attitude with the tackles, we ran for over 100 yards and our qb completed over 60% of his passes, those tackles had a hand in that too
 
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Bird4um said:
So if they are slow we ***ed.... If FLA knew our snap count thats on Enos.
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That's something that can be fixed. You can change up the snap count. Like i said i dont think the tackles will be great this year but can they at least get to the point of being average is the question.
 
ageezy said:
what if we gave up 5 sacks instead of 10, what would the opinion be then because our true frosh qb should have thrown the ball away a few times on those roll out scrambles ... yet we're not bashing jw because we're happy with what we saw, well how about having that same attitude with the tackles, we ran for over 100 yards and our qb completed over 60% of his passes, those tackles had a hand in that too
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You missed my point. Wasn't bashing the tackles as everything I stated about them in pass protection was true. The entire premise of my post was questioning Enos and his ability/flexibility to make adjustments based on his lack of adjustments in Saturday's game.
 
Did he mention his horrible clock management, or will that also get better on a 2022 timetable? Or, maybe it was all Jarren's fault?
 
There really isn’t much we can do this year. If Herbert, hillary, or anyone else was better they would have played. I wouldn’t mind them moving scaife to RT and Campbell to LG. But that’s about all we can do. As much as zion struggled i saw some good things from him. One thing i don’t understand however is the DEs knew our snap count. They were bursting off the line and it seemed like zion had no idea we had snapped the ball.
 
FrancisSaywer said:
I understand and appreciate that but he is skirting the issue. I want to hear him explain why they never adjusted in order to give either Nelson or Campbell some help. Why didn't we go to more max protect when it became obvious that the tackles were totally overmatched? Why not line up with an inline TE? Why were we still going under center and asking JW to execute play fakes when the staff could clearly see that JW barely had 2 seconds from the moment he snapped the ball? What on earth was the purpose of the play fakes? Who was that supposed to fool? Why did Enos not make any adjustments to their pass rushing onslaught? Why did Enos not make any schematic adjustments to exploit what the gator defense was doing differently in the 2nd half in terms of coverage?

This is all concerning to me and I'm not one of the drama queens crying about going 8-4 This year. I think this team could really develop into something special eventually and we should still win the Coastal and drop no more than one more game in the regular season. The Enos thing concerns me because he was clearly outcoached by Grantham in the 2nd half and nobody can tell me that he was handicapped because of the collapse of both offensive tackles. The reason nobody can say that is that Enos never made a concerted effort to help his struggling tackles. He basically left Nelson on an island and let Zuniga have his way with him.

All that being said I'm not going to give up on Enos after 1 game and think that his multiple spread/west coast system with lots of motion will be extremely effective here. The red flag from this game however is tough to ignore or rationalize away because what his unwillingness to change things on the fly once he saw that the UF DE tandem was destroying us shows is a stubborn individual with a rigid thinking pattern. You know the type. One of these guys that must stick to the game plan no matter what. I hope I'm wrong.
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Exactly. Why no adjustments or preparation for this? F- on offensive game planning for Manny and Enos. Florida was handing that game to us on silver platter and Manny was just happy with keeping it close.
 
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blushrts said:
Not changing the snap count is something that happens with a young QB making his first start with multiple offensive linemen making their first start. Let's see what get's fixed by NC. This is what Manny and Enos are getting paid for.
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High schools change the snap count, stop with the non sense. This is D1 football.
 
FrancisSaywer said:
You missed my point. Wasn't bashing the tackles as everything I stated about them in pass protection was true. The entire premise of my post was questioning Enos and his ability/flexibility to make adjustments based on his lack of adjustments in Saturday's game.
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good point on the adjustments, my fault .... my only rebuttal is jw has to get rid of the ball sooner or tuck it and run, that being said it was his first start on national tv against a quality opponent
 
Ethnicsands said:
Not sure what else he cluld have said.

Translated: we didn’t have what we needed to win this game. And worry about the rest of the season.

When coaches start talking about next year before Sep. 1, ugh.
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We are lockstep in our opinion here. This guy knows how bad the OL is and how dire the situation is...but not much you can do about it. Its not the NFL. You can't go sign a street free agent...you can't make a trade. This is what we've got...and its not very good. Only hope is that it gets better...but this is going to be problematic all year long.
 
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