Manny Navvaro " the players hated Enos"

[miamifan007]

The players are soft.

Social media players

 

[GOCANES05]

Eh. Dabo begs to disagree.

leadership isn’t a formula. There are different styles, but fear will get you run off fast if you don’t combine it with credibility and results. Same with liked or respected. You can have a long suit, but it better work.

Finally between this post @The Franchise and @TruCane81 . How hard is it find these awesome qualities in a young HC that’s not all ready taken or is it a flip of a dangerous costly coin again ?

 

[Ethnicsands]

Finally between this post @The Franchise and @TruCane81 . How hard is it find these awesome qualities in a young HC that’s not all ready taken or is it a flip of a dangerous costly coin again ?

We haven’t flipped any coins. That’s the problem. If you don’t know where you’re going, all roads will take you there. And if you don’t know what you’re looking for in a coach, then you don’t know what coins to flip. We’ve been hiring for not just irrelevant criteria, but negatively correlated criteria. Coaches whose narrative someone liked at the Admin. Coaches who we fancy won’t embarrass us. Coaches who are different than the flaws of the last guy, irrespective of whether they have the right strengths.

James had no coins even to flip last time. He just grabbed the nearest double-sided trick nickle and claimed he flipped it and it came out ‘heads.’

 

[GOCANES05]

I’ve never seen football through a coaches prospective only a players staying away always focused on my responsibilities.

Good education here no doubt NCAA same as NFL not for long if you don’t produce.

I’m seeing the picture now , a puzzle of confusion the U surly has . I’d rather play then coach

 

[GOCANES05]

We haven’t flipped any coins. That’s the problem. If you don’t know where you’re going, all roads will take you there. And if you don’t know what you’re looking for in a coach, then you don’t know what coins to flip. We’ve been hiring for not just irrelevant criteria, but negatively correlated criteria. Coaches whose narrative someone liked at the Admin. Coaches who we fancy won’t embarrass us. Coaches who are different than the flaws of the last guy, irrespective of whether they have the right strengths.

James had no coins even to flip last time. He just grabbed the nearest double-sided trick nickle and claimed he flipped it and it came out ‘heads.’

I always try to keep an open mind , and this post speaks loads of common sense taking a deep breath here in acknowledging this.

 

[TruCane81]

Hmmmm very interesting

Hmmmm very interesting @TruCane81 , got me brother WOW shined a new light here.

Yes I‘ve seen it yes I have omg come to think out it .
Kinda like a hint of deer in headlight look yet faint not wanting to offend yet lead .

@The Franchise , I may have seen it , yes awesome DC but at HC with having to please so many yet Coach is the word OVERWHELMED yet can coach but HC a totally different game blind sided him.

So the extra eyes so yo speak running behind the scenes may relieve some this coming year and he can get a grip.

I think I got your drift here now so this coming year is critical to say the least for CMD to get FOCUS.

It won’t be impossible for Manny to get a grip, but it is unlikely. There is just too much pressure. Miami ain’t the place to stumble over yourself trying to figure it out.

He should have went to Temple, took his lumps, learned, grown, and built his presence and confidence.

Now his *** is IN THE FIRE and he can’t tell which way is up. It’s hard for me to see him getting enough breathing room to pull it together in time.

He has to NAIL the oc hire and do some SERIOUS soul searching and self growth. He might have to stand in front of the team, look them in the eye and own the failure and tell them he will be harder but they will win.

It’s a lot man and one offseason probably won’t do it. But there are two things that give me hope. One, Manny adjusts. Two, he bounced back after getting run out of Texas. Failure like that kills careers but Manny got over it and got better.

I won’t count him out completely, regardless how unlikely he is to succeed here.

 

[Southcane]

Eh. Dabo begs to disagree.

leadership isn’t a formula. There are different styles, but fear will get you run off fast if you don’t combine it with credibility and results. Same with liked or respected. You can have a long suit, but it better work.

Not sure I agree on Dabo as an example of a very successful coach who is not feared by his players. I mean, fear can come in different forms but consider this:
Clemson's Dabo Swinney makes player ride bus back home after ejection from Louisville game
He can be very hard on his players and would chew them up when needed.
There’s only one way to respond to wrath of Dabo, Clemson players say: Learn from it
And why would you ban you players from social media all together if not for making a strong statement to your players?
Clemson Tigers banned from social media during season
Dabo showed to be a master of being tough and feared while his is still "loving" his players.

 

[Earnest T. Bass]

The idea is to assess your own situation and hire someone who will succeed, not someone Nick hires... this fool was a disaster from the start. His offensive philosophy, the way he dealt with players etc .. Manny should have found that out early enough and made corrections..

Successful HCs hire great assistants... *****'s assistants are a disaster... look at his clown car team ...

Nick Saban is considered, by those who truly know college football, to be the greatest coach ever.

Nick Saban has his nationwide pick of assistant coaches. ****, when he offered Mario a job he was out the door and on his way to Alabama in the blink of an eye.

You do not accomplish the things Nick Saban has accomplished without the gift of recognizing talent from his many assistant coaches over the years to his players.

The fact that Nick Saban was turning his offense over to Enos is the biggest endorsement one can receive. Assistant coaches that receive that honor from Saban are one step away from being a head coach for a major SEC team.

Obviously, things did not work out for Enos with the Canes, but when I hear the players wouldn't perform for him because he's a "meanie" or because he didn't win most popular in a beauty pageant tells me all I need to know concerning just how soft the 2019 Canes were. Additionally, the offensive line, being generous, was historically pathetic.

Did Enos need to go...absolutely!! But, when he got his pink slip he went home, opened a bottle of champagne, and toasted with his wife celebrating his freedom.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Not sure I agree on Dabo as an example of a very successful coach who is not feared by his players. I mean, fear can come in different forms but consider this:
Clemson's Dabo Swinney makes player ride bus back home after ejection from Louisville game
He can be very hard on his players and would chew them up when needed.
There’s only one way to respond to wrath of Dabo, Clemson players say: Learn from it
And why would you ban you players from social media all together if not for making a strong statement to your players?
Clemson Tigers banned from social media during season
Dabo showed to be a master of being tough and feared while his is still "loving" his players.

If Dabo is said to be feared by his players then we’re just playing semantics here. That team is obviously personally affectionate towards him and him towards them. He’s not Saban, or Meyer. He has a different style, that breeds loyalty, not fear. Doesn’t mean he’s a ***** Or can’t discipline guys. It’s about what his long suit is. His long suit isn’t fear.

 

[Southcane]

Nick Saban is considered, by those who truly know college football, to be the greatest coach ever.

Nick Saban has his nationwide pick of assistant coaches. ****, when he offered Mario a job he was out the door and on his way to Alabama in the blink of an eye.

You do not accomplish the things Nick Saban has accomplished without the gift of recognizing talent from his many assistant coaches over the years to his players.

The fact that Nick Saban was turning his offense over to Enos is the biggest endorsement one can receive. Assistant coaches that receive that honor from Saban are one step away from being a head coach for a major SEC team.

Obviously, things did not work out for Enos with the Canes, but when I hear the players wouldn't perform for him because he's a "meanie" or because he didn't win most popular in a beauty pageant tells me all I need to know concerning just how soft the 2019 Canes were. Additionally, the offensive line, being generous, was historically pathetic.

Did Enos need to go...absolutely!! But, when he got his pink slip he went home, opened a bottle of champagne, and toasted with his wife celebrating his freedom.

But, when he got his pink slip he went home, opened a bottle of champagne, and toasted with his wife celebrating his freedom
Of course he did. Freedom from coaching under a HC who is not respected or feared by players or fans.

 

[Southcane]

If Dabo is said to be feared by his players then we’re just playing semantics here. That team is obviously personally affectionate towards him and him towards them. He’s not Saban, or Meyer. He has a different style, that breeds loyalty, not fear. Doesn’t mean he’s a ***** Or can’t discipline guys. It’s about what his long suit is. His long suit isn’t fear.

What worked HERE before was more fear than love. The last (and biggest) success story we had when our coach was feared by players. And that is not even open for debate.

 

[Ethnicsands]

What worked HERE before was more fear than love. The last (and biggest) success story we had when our coach was feared by players. And that is not even open for debate.

You act like there is someting in our walls or our water that peefers a specific style of leadership. It’s false. What worked here was the LEADER, not the STYLE. Chasing style is what confused peop,e do when they don’t know what they’re looking for.

 

[Southcane]

That is a ridiculous hot take. You act like there is someting in our walls or our water that peefers a specific style of leadership. It’s false. What worked here was the LEADER, not the STYLE. Chasing style is what confused peop,e do when they don’t know what they’re looking for.

What ridiculous hot take? You cannot separate a leader from their leadership style. Your style is part of you success or failure as leader so I don't see the value of separating the two. Butch was a good coach, good leader who happened to be feared by players. That's all I said. If calling my take ridiculous makes you feel good, by all means.

 

[The Franchise]

What worked HERE before was more fear than love. The last (and biggest) success story we had when our coach was feared by players. And that is not even open for debate.

What worked here last is meaningless. We need to find something that works NOW. This whole program gets in trouble with all this glory days **** and what used to work here as if there’s some magic formula that only works at Miami.

 

[Earnest T. Bass]

But, when he got his pink slip he went home, opened a bottle of champagne, and toasted with his wife celebrating his freedom
Of course he did. Freedom from coaching under a HC who is not respected or feared by players or fans.

Yeah, I was waiting for that because when it rains or if it doesn't rain you Cats blame Manny. No, he wasn't celebrating not working with Manny any longer, he was celebrating no longer subjecting himself and his family to the worst college football fanbase...EVER!!

When Mark Richt led the 2016 Canes to 10-straight wins it was nothing short of a miracle. Yet, the geniuses from CIS and other such message boards eviscerated them man, his assistant coaches, and players during and after every single game...WHICH GREATLY DAMAGES RECRUITING!!

So, firing Manny Diaz is not the answer. The answer is to fire the hate-inspired, cesspool of unqualified critics.

And, oh, by the way, There is NO prayer a qualified head coach or for that matter, high-quality assistant coaches will ever again join the Canes program as this is the place where coaches' careers come to die. In the immortal words of Butch Davis' wife; "Butch, they love you now, but the instant you lose one game they'll start flying banners screaming you are a horrible coach who should be fired...take the Cleveland job...and he did!

Finally, those who believe that Mario would EVER come back here to coach are bereft of brain matter, because he's not going to allow the usual suspects to destroy his future.

 

[jmiller]

I am sure there's a two sided problem here.

The player's needed babying and motivating to get them going because their maturity wasn't there.

And Eno's is not the nurturing type, like in Alabama where the locker-room motivated itself so coaches didn't have to

A little scary considering Enos was considered one of the only "player coaches" on Bama's staff and our players thought he was Hitler. Shows you the mental toughness of our players compared to Bamas. Saban would have some of these kids in tears. (literally)

 

[Southcane]

Yeah, I was waiting for that because when it rains or if it doesn't rain you Cats blame Manny. No, he wasn't celebrating not working with Manny any longer, he was celebrating no longer subjecting himself and his family to the worst college football fanbase...EVER!!

When Mark Richt led the 2016 Canes to 10-straight wins it was nothing short of a miracle. Yet, the geniuses from CIS and other such message boards eviscerated them man, his assistant coaches, and players during and after every single game...WHICH GREATLY DAMAGES RECRUITING!!

So, firing Manny Diaz is not the answer. The answer is to fire the hate-inspired, cesspool of unqualified critics.

And, oh, by the way, There is NO prayer a qualified head coach or for that matter, high-quality assistant coaches will ever again join the Canes program as this is the place where coaches' careers come to die. In the immortal words of Butch Davis' wife; "Butch, they love you now, but the instant you lose one game they'll start flying banners screaming you are a horrible coach who should be fired...take the Cleveland job...and he did!

Finally, those who believe that Mario would EVER come back here to coach are bereft of brain matter, because he's not going to allow the usual suspects to destroy his future.

What? Fire the fans? Great idea. Everything will be fine after that. Guaranteed.

 

[HurricaneHauk]

Hey at least Manny recognized a mistake

The previous two regimes didn’t fire anyone they hired

 

[Southcane]

What worked here last is meaningless. We need to find something that works NOW. This whole program gets in trouble with all this glory days **** and what used to work here as if there’s some magic formula that only works at Miami.

I'm not advocating we have something from 20 years ago. All I was trying to say it worked then. Different styles can work if the leader is good enough to get his way of leadership to produce results. Some coaches succeed at certain places and fail at others.

 

[Cribby]

One of the best movies I’ve seen was “ A Bronx Tale “.

I highly recommend this true story awesome movie . Anyway the God Father so to speak of the Bronx asked this question of his young buck wise guy in training.

Is it better to be respected or feared ?

The answer was FEARED.

General Patton said fear and Prayed constantly for his men to fear him.

So with all this @The Franchise you may have a certain point here with the coaches, many times I wished for a timeout for CMD to gather his team and actually point to the score board and throw a tantrum and call out players for slacking point them to the bench and get the next guy or bench the whole team on the field telling them I’d rather lose with effort fight then freeloaders like you.

Question Chise CMD led and coached a pretty darn good D before so he does know how to Coach I would think.

Yes CMD could have done better in many areas but it was his first year running everything from unlocking the door AM yo locking door at night that’s a **** of a job for a first time HC with ZERO support.

CMD now knows FEARED is the right choice.

NOT FRIENDS

This reminds me of the words of a fine poet or writer , the name escapes me but it goes “ I can see it in your eyes , you’re a ***** in disguise “.