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sebastian91 said:
Well, sorry. My assumption remains that they'll ***** up, because that's what they often do. If they don't in some cases, great. Good for them. But, I still don't trust them until they come through more often than not, and I don't think they're there yet.
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Then you haven't been watching the games.
 
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AllAboutTheU said:
You're unequivocally telling us something that every SOS metric around disagrees with. Just because you want it to be true doesn't make it true.
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Lol, when will people start realizing that before I post something, I've already researched it when it comes to stats? Lol.

So you wanna take the Anderson Sports SOS matrix, arguably the most accurate SOS assessment?

2016 Miami had the 42nd ranked SOS (GT, VT, Duke, and Pitt schedules were deemed harder)
2017 Miami had the 24th ranked SOS (best in the Coastal)
2018 Miami had the 57th ranked SOS (Duke, Pitt, VT, and UNC schedules were deemed harder)
2019 Miami had the 71st ranked SOS (UVA, UNC, Duke, GT, schedules were deemed harder)

So since Diaz has been here, our SOS per EXPERTS have been deemed 5 of 7 in the ACC Coastal ALONE in 3 of his 4 years here.

Just b/c you may not want to face truth or face facts, don't mean they don't exist. We've been paltry, at best, against one of the worst P5 SOS in the nation.
 
JAYBLAZE said:
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I'm talking about the "Us vs. The World mentality." We seem to be lacking that. We say it, but we don't show it on the field or in the locker room. I wasn't referencing the uniforms regarding the mentality. lol.
 
Rellyrell said:
Lol, when will people start realizing that before I post something, I've already researched it when it comes to stats? Lol.

So you wanna take the Anderson Sports SOS matrix, arguably the most accurate SOS assessment?

2016 Miami had the 42nd ranked SOS (GT, VT, Duke, and Pitt schedules were deemed harder)
2017 Miami had the 24th ranked SOS (best in the Coastal)
2018 Miami had the 57th ranked SOS (Duke, Pitt, VT, and UNC schedules were deemed harder)
2019 Miami had the 71st ranked SOS (UVA, UNC, Duke, GT, schedules were deemed harder)

So since Diaz has been here, our SOS per EXPERTS have been deemed 5 of 7 in the ACC Coastal ALONE in 3 of his 4 years here.

Just b/c you may not want to face truth or face facts, don't mean they don't exist. We've been paltry, at best, against one of the worst P5 SOS in the nation.
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And the fact remains, Miami had the best defense of any of the other ACC teams not named Clemson. Considering they're in the same division as 6 other teams, those teams have to have comparable strengths of schedules. Yet, Miami has put a considerably better defense on the field than any of them over the past 4 years. And have only won the division once.

Why do you think that is?

The answer? The 80th ranked offense over the same timeframe and the inability to punt a football above an optimist level in 2018 and kick a football above an optimist level in 2019.
 
Also, if you want to look at just conference opponents in conference games:

Miami had the best PPG scoring defense of any ACC Coastal team (in all ACC games) in both 2019 and 2018
They were #2 to VT in 2017 and 2016

And STILL can't win the **** division.
 
Rellyrell said:
Lol, when will people start realizing that before I post something, I've already researched it when it comes to stats? Lol.

So you wanna take the Anderson Sports SOS matrix, arguably the most accurate SOS assessment?

2016 Miami had the 42nd ranked SOS (GT, VT, Duke, and Pitt schedules were deemed harder)
2017 Miami had the 24th ranked SOS (best in the Coastal)
2018 Miami had the 57th ranked SOS (Duke, Pitt, VT, and UNC schedules were deemed harder)
2019 Miami had the 71st ranked SOS (UVA, UNC, Duke, GT, schedules were deemed harder)

So since Diaz has been here, our SOS per EXPERTS have been deemed 5 of 7 in the ACC Coastal ALONE in 3 of his 4 years here.

Just b/c you may not want to face truth or face facts, don't mean they don't exist. We've been paltry, at best, against one of the worst P5 SOS in the nation.
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I'm a man of facts. You said that Miami had the worst P5 SOS for a while now. Literally, looking at the rankings that you chose to go by yourself, that isn't the case. I'm not arguing that we have a great schedule or anything of that nature, but using your own rankings that you want to point to, your own assertion is wrong. Just off a quick look, Syracuse is worse. And I'm not even sure who deemed this the most accurate SOS.
 
g8rh8rMD said:
Just playing devil's advocate here, but one thing nobody mentions when throwing out the "our defense is great, what if we only had an offense" argument, is "what happens to our defense if our offense actually does start scoring points? Is there any chance our defensive production actually goes down? Do the offense and defense live entirely in a vacuum, except to the extent that people argue a bad offense is bad for the defense, statistically?

Is there any chance that an offense that puts up more points will actually encourage the other team to try and score more points?

I'm just saying, we can't just assume that changing one variable in a positive direction won't change other variables in a negative way.

What we do know, is that this defense gave up 4th and 17, where a stop would have won the game. It gave up a drive the full length of the field to VT, where a stop could have won the game. It gave up a long drive against UF, where a stop could have won the game. We lost a lot of close games last year where, yeah, the offense didn't do it's job, but the defense also had chances to win the games, and didn't. The opponent doesn't need to score as many points as they possibly can in order to win the game. They just need to score more than we do. That bit doesn't change whether we score 20 ppg, or 30.

Time will tell, but I'm not sure our D has been as good as some of us would like to think it has.
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An offense playing catch up plays to the strength of our pass rush. Like any defense, we struggle most when teams run and pass effectively. We have our best performances when we make teams one dimensional.

The one thing we have to do is be much less reliant on safety blitzing. That caused 4th and 17, the td that broke LSU open, and resulted an scrub qbs playing like Joe Montana.

When we make quarterbacks come off their first couple reads, we apply tremendous pressure and play winning defense. Leaving gaps in coverage blitzing just to blitz plays into our opponents hands because they generally scheme to throw quickly to compensate for the front four (especially the ends).

It doesn’t have to be instant pressure at the snap. Just force the quarterback to hold the ball because the quick ones to the slots and tight ends are covered. Make them complete low percentage passes to the sidelines and earn their lunch.

From what I have seen, I trust our defense and believe they are at their best when we play like this. We hardly ever have big leads over division opponents. We rarely get to see the defense in that attack mode playing with a big enough lead to make the opponent abandon their game plan.
 
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Rellyrell said:
Lol, when will people start realizing that before I post something, I've already researched it when it comes to stats? Lol.

So you wanna take the Anderson Sports SOS matrix, arguably the most accurate SOS assessment?

2016 Miami had the 42nd ranked SOS (GT, VT, Duke, and Pitt schedules were deemed harder)
2017 Miami had the 24th ranked SOS (best in the Coastal)
2018 Miami had the 57th ranked SOS (Duke, Pitt, VT, and UNC schedules were deemed harder)
2019 Miami had the 71st ranked SOS (UVA, UNC, Duke, GT, schedules were deemed harder)

So since Diaz has been here, our SOS per EXPERTS have been deemed 5 of 7 in the ACC Coastal ALONE in 3 of his 4 years here.

Just b/c you may not want to face truth or face facts, don't mean they don't exist. We've been paltry, at best, against one of the worst P5 SOS in the nation.
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So our four year total is about middle of the road. Also wonder how much GT's SOS is skewed by playing Georgia every year.

At the end of the day our schedule is like a ton of other Power 5 teams. One or two big games and the rest is crap. In reality there really isn't much of difference between an SOS of 35 and 55.

Oregon-Only regular season win over team ending season ranked was Auburn.
Ohio State-Only regular win over team ending season ranked was Michigan State.
Clemson-Only regular season win over team ending season ranked Texas A&M.

Two of those three teams had to go out of conference just to find a ranked team to beat.
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
And the fact remains, Miami had the best defense of any of the other ACC teams not named Clemson. Considering they're in the same division as 6 other teams, those teams have to have comparable strengths of schedules. Yet, Miami has put a considerably better defense on the field than any of them over the past 4 years. And have only won the division once.

Why do you think that is?

The answer? The 80th ranked offense over the same timeframe and the inability to punt a football above an optimist level in 2018 and kick a football above an optimist level in 2019.
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First off, this is a moot point. They should be better on defense than everyone else b/c we have by far the best crop of players in the Coastal.

However, I want to give you a snap shot of last season, so we can stop putting so much blame on the offense, and start holding the defense accountable for huge gaffs as well:

2019:
Miami takes a 17-13 lead in to the 4th quarter against Duke, the def gives up 14 points
Miami gives up 30 points on def to FIU
Miami goes in to OT w/ GT, and the def gives up the game winning TD w/ in 26 secs
Miami comes back and ties the game against VT with 3 minutes left. The offense puts up 35 points; in 2 minutes, the def gives up the game winning TD.
Miami comes back to take the lead against UNC w/ 4 minutes to play, and the def gives up the game winning TD in 3:37.
Miami takes lead against UF in the 4th; the def gives back the lead on 4 plays on 80 yrds in a 1min and 06 secs.

Last year alone, against the 71st ranked SOS, the def folded several times.
I'm not here to point fingers, but the narrative that we've been just fielding this "elite" def b/c we have some shiny numbers on TFL is a bit over-exaggerated. The fact is our def is better than our offense, but at times when our offense gave us the lead or tied the game, our def found a way to lose it, as well.
 
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I’m just praying we see some of what made us great: quick strikes and points off turnovers! I’ve always believed football is the ultimate team game, where all 3 phases need to play at a very high level to compete for championships. Although our D may not be championship, our O and ST definitely have NOT been. And when one side of the ball doesn’t do it’s job, the others suffer for it!
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I think manny will go down if he doesn't take control of this defense back from you know who

the fact he can clown the offensive staff back to back as needed, yet his own muppets stay is sad

things he should do:

1. Take full control of the defense back COMPLETELY, not letting baker run anything until the season after. Manny doesn't have time to play around, it's make or break right now.

2. Read my posts more


Manny I know you're on these boards, baker ain't got it.. and if he does it ain't gonna be any time soon. You want to stay in Miami I suggest you pull your head out of your *** regarding your best friends forever and put your life and soul into this team and make this defense that bunch of assassins we saw in 2018 again.
 
Go Canes!! said:
So our four year total is about middle of the road. Also wonder how much GT's SOS is skewed by playing Georgia every year.

At the end of the day our schedule is like a ton of other Power 5 teams. One or two big games and the rest is crap. In reality there really isn't much of difference between an SOS of 35 and 55.

Oregon-Only regular season win over team ending season ranked was Auburn.
Ohio State-Only regular win over team ending season ranked was Michigan State.
Clemson-Only regular season win over team ending season ranked Texas A&M.

Two of those three teams had to go out of conference just to find a ranked team to beat.
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Lol.
Oregon had the 35th ranked SOS schedule last season
Clemson had the 28th ranked SOS schedule last season
OSU had the 7th ranked SOS schedule last season

They went a combined 39-3
We went 6-7 against the 71st ranked SOS schedule last season.

So let's play devil's advocate....let say your argument that OU, OSU, and Clemson's schedule all sucked ***. Who cares? They went 39-3! Lol. They should go 39-3 w/ the talent disparage between them and their schedule. That's what good teams do, they take advantage of **** poor scheduling, and the great teams find ways to win against hard schedules. I'm just saying before we ride the coattail of saying how great our def is and how **** poor our offense is, know the facts. The fact is our def gave up leads often last season.
 
Imagine if we didn't have the 3 and out offense the last 4 years

For the purpose of comparison somebody should post how many times a game each team punted and how many plays each teams offense ran.
 
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Rellyrell said:
Lol.
Oregon had the 35th ranked SOS schedule last season
Clemson had the 28th ranked SOS schedule last season
OSU had the 7th ranked SOS schedule last season

They went a combined 39-3
We went 6-7 against the 71st ranked SOS schedule last season.

So let's play devil's advocate....let say your argument that OU, OSU, and Clemson's schedule all sucked ***. Who cares? They went 39-3! Lol. They should go 39-3 w/ the talent disparage between them and their schedule. That's what good teams do, they take advantage of **** poor scheduling, and the great teams find ways to win against hard schedules. I'm just saying before we ride the coattail of saying how great our def is and how **** poor our offense is, know the facts. The fact is our def gave up leads often last season.
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The strength of a schedule and what they did with it are two different things. And you’re obviously including post season games in that SOS which isn’t a fair comparison.

Here is Clemson’s regular season schedule. There’s no way in the world this schedule is 7th and ours is 74th.


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Go Canes!! said:
The strength of a schedule and what they did with it are two different things. And you’re obviously including post season games in that SOS which isn’t a fair comparison.

Here is Clemson’s regular season schedule. There’s no way in the world this schedule is 7th and ours is 74th.


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Wait?? Is this what all this is about? The whole point was our def v. the type of schedule we’ve had has been anything but elite. We haven’t been playing any world beaters.

The SOS was a final, non prejudged, that did not include any FCS teams. I’m just trying to understand the angle you’re trying to present.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
The defense didn't step up in the ACC championship game? I can't remember, how many points did the offense score that night to ease their load? How many did they score in the pinstripe bowl? How many in the bowl game this year?
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Not to mention the shanked punts and turnovers in the first half of that ACC championship game. Even the second Wisky bowl game, I believe it was 14-3 at the end of the 3rd when Wisky scored, how did the defense not show?
 
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