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Manny diaz needs to STFU

NorthEastCane said:
Sez who? It's not like he tore it up when he was on staff here. It's easier to recruit at Oregon with all that Nike support and USCw being down. Do you think the NCAA would turn a blind eye here at Miami like at Oregon.
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Dude you officially have gone down as numero uno idiot poster with your comment that it’s easier to recruit at Oregon. Are ******* kidding me?! Have you ever seen the state of Oregon highschool football? Also have you ever seen Beloti, kelly or helfichs recruiting classes? I’ll ruin a surprise they never had one top ten class till Mario became head coach. I repeat not one top ten class even though they played for the title twice In 2010 and 2014. As a matter of a fact most of there classes were between 30 and 15. So gtfoh here that Oregon is easier to recruit at them Miami! Smh
 
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If Handy Manny finishes 6-6 or worse will he get canned or does it take another year of sub par football to make a change?
 
This thread delivers. Very informative and glad to know all your opinions. Again, thanks for sharing.
 
NicKane said:
Dude you officially have gone down as numero uno idiot poster with your comment that it’s easier to recruit at Oregon. Are ******* kidding me?! Have you ever seen the state of Oregon highschool football? Also have you ever seen Beloti, kelly or helfichs recruiting classes? I’ll ruin a surprise they never had one top ten class till Mario became head coach. I repeat not one top ten class even though they played for the title twice In 2010 and 2014. As a matter of a fact most of there classes were between 30 and 15. So gtfoh here that Oregon is easier to recruit at them Miami! Smh
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Oregon has really stepped up their bag game. It was mentioned during one of the basketball trials that Oregon was offering stupid money for basketball recruits. It’s no coincidence that they have started pulling in 5 star recruits for both basketball and football.
 
Manny can be a good coach if he can hire a better staff. Field, Baker and maybe Rumph and Hickson are the only ones that are Miami level. Even they could be upgraded though.

Manny made a comment a couple weeks ago on that Manny Diaz Show that really made me lose confidence in him. He said that the way our offense is now is basically how Miami should always look. U can have a smash mouth run game while also running the spread. Look at Oklahoma.
 
NicKane said:
Dude you officially have gone down as numero uno idiot poster with your comment that it’s easier to recruit at Oregon. Are ******* kidding me?! Have you ever seen the state of Oregon highschool football? Also have you ever seen Beloti, kelly or helfichs recruiting classes? I’ll ruin a surprise they never had one top ten class till Mario became head coach. I repeat not one top ten class even though they played for the title twice In 2010 and 2014. As a matter of a fact most of there classes were between 30 and 15. So gtfoh here that Oregon is easier to recruit at them Miami! Smh
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It's an honor for you to consider my post idiotic. It's means I've hit the bulls eye.

Maybe you haven't noticed that over the past 15 years, Oregon's gotten into the playoffs and New Year Bowls many more times than we have. That means they're getting the talent to win regardless of their ranking. Do you think they're recruiting just Oregon? They've always recruited the west coast. And the past 15 years they've joined the legions in cherry picking Fl.

Also, that idiot Kelly had documented evidence against him that he was dropping bags. He got caught because he hadn't boned up on the fine art of bag dropping like the "Southern" schools. The NCAA wrote it off as a rogue coach and just banned him. No "lack of institutional control", no loss of TV, or loss of bowl, just a slap on the wrist, loss of 1 scholarship for 3 years. Do you think they would be so kind to us. They're one of those that have joined the arms race supported by Nike confidence that the NCAA will treat them with kid gloves. Nike supports too many other "traditional powers" to upset the cash machine.

Meanwhile we have to fight tooth and nail in our back yards and if there is even a whiff of bad air there A Yahoo expose and a public multi-year NCAA investigation. And this is not a new phenomena. The "powers" have been raiding So Fl since the sixties loaded with bags, the only difference, they've become more sophisticated. We even had a coach, Fran Curci (an alumni no less) we left Miami for Kentucky and his parting shot was "you couldn't recruit against the big guys". So don't even try to tell me they have a harder time recruiting then we do.

And since we're talking about top 10 classes, from 2001 to 2010, we had 7 top ten rankings and 7 near misses (11 - 14)
  • 2002 - 5
  • 2003 - 3
  • 2004 - 3
  • 2005 - 9
  • 2006 - 12
  • 2007 - 13
  • 2008 - 1
  • 2009 - 16
  • 2010 - 14
  • 2011 - 33
  • 2012 - 10
  • 2013 - 14
  • 2014 - 12
  • 2015 - 27
  • 2016 - 22
  • 2017 - 12
  • 2018 - 9
And what have we done with it.
 
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NorthEastCane said:
It's an honor for you to consider my post idiotic. It's means I've hit the bulls eye.

Maybe you haven't noticed that over the past 15 years, Oregon's gotten into the playoffs and New Year Bowls many more times than we have. That means they're getting the talent to win regardless of their ranking. Also, that idiot Kelly had documented evidence against him that he was dropping bags. They haven't boned up on the fine art of bag dropping like the "Southern" schools. The NCAA wrote it off as a rogue coach and just banned him. No "lack of institutional control", no loss of TV, or loss of bowl, just a slap on the wrist, loss 1 scholarship for 3 years. Do you think they would be so kind to us.

And since we're talking about top 10 classes, from 2001 to 2010, we had

It's an honor for you to consider my post idiotic. It's means I've hit the bulls eye.

Maybe you haven't noticed that over the past 15 years, Oregon's gotten into the playoffs and New Year Bowls many more times than we have. That means they're getting the talent to win regardless of their ranking. Also, that idiot Kelly had documented evidence against him that he was dropping bags. They haven't boned up on the fine art of bag dropping like the "Southern" schools. The NCAA wrote it off as a rogue coach and just banned him. No "lack of institutional control", no loss of TV, or loss of bowl, just a slap on the wrist, loss 1 scholarship for 3 years. Do you think they would be so kind to us.

And since we're talking about top 10 classes, from 2001 to 2010

It's an honor for you to consider my post idiotic. It's means I've hit the bulls eye.

Maybe you haven't noticed that over the past 15 years, Oregon's gotten into the playoffs and New Year Bowls many more times than we have. That means they're getting the talent to win regardless of their ranking. Also, that idiot Kelly had documented evidence against him that he was dropping bags. They haven't boned up on the fine art of bag dropping like the "Southern" schools. The NCAA wrote it off as a rogue coach and just banned him. No "lack of institutional control", no loss of TV, or loss of bowl, just a slap on the wrist, loss 1 scholarship for 3 years. Do you think they would be so kind to us.

And since we're talking about top 10 classes, from 2001 to 2010, we had

It's an honor for you to consider my post idiotic. It's means I've hit the bulls eye.

Maybe you haven't noticed that over the past 15 years, Oregon's gotten into the playoffs and New Year Bowls many more times than we have. That means they're getting the talent to win regardless of their ranking. Do you think they're recruiting just Oregon? They've always recruited the west coast. And the past 15 years they've joined the legions in cherry picking Fl.

Also, that idiot Kelly had documented evidence against him that he was dropping bags. He got caught because he hadn't boned up on the fine art of bag dropping like the "Southern" schools. The NCAA wrote it off as a rogue coach and just banned him. No "lack of institutional control", no loss of TV, or loss of bowl, just a slap on the wrist, loss of 1 scholarship for 3 years. Do you think they would be so kind to us. They're one of those that have joined the arms race supported by Nike confidence that the NCAA will treat them with kid gloves. Nike supports too many other "traditional powers" to upset the cash machine.

Meanwhile we have to fight tooth and nail in our back yards and if there is even a whiff of bad air there A Yahoo expose and a public multi-year NCAA investigation. And this is not a new phenomena. The "powers" have been raiding So Fl since the sixties loaded with bags, the only difference, they've become more sophisticated. We even had a coach, Fran Curci (an alumni no less) we left Miami for Kentucky and his parting shot was "you couldn't recruit against the big guys". So don't even try to tell me they have a harder time recruiting then we do.

And since we're talking about top 10 classes, from 2001 to 2010, we had 7 top ten rankings and 7 near misses (11 - 14)
  • 2002 - 5
  • 2003 - 3
  • 2004 - 3
  • 2005 - 9
  • 2006 - 12
  • 2007 - 13
  • 2008 - 1
  • 2009 - 16
  • 2010 - 14
  • 2011 - 33
  • 2012 - 10
  • 2013 - 14
  • 2014 - 12
  • 2015 - 27
  • 2016 - 22
  • 2017 - 12
  • 2018 - 9
And what have we done with it.
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You just proved my point with our class rankings which are far and away better then anything Oregon has put up in recruiting during the same period. You know what the difference was, they had top notch quality coaches to develop there kids and it got them to two title games while we’ve been stuck clapping, radio, fatso, old man and Mr BS because we have an admin that doesn’t give a Fvck unlike Oregon’s which does. But the end of the day the point is this, if Mario was here you can pretty much guarantee top ten to top five classes year in and out. And just shut up with the stupid NCAA excuse, news flash the NCAA is done and will have no control over college football in the near future and guess who clipped there nuts for them, it was us! They lost all credibility and power with the shot they tried to pull on us the last time.
 
NicKane said:
You just proved my point with our class rankings which are far and away better then anything Oregon has put up in recruiting during the same period. You know what the difference was, they had top notch quality coaches to develop there kids and it got them to two title games while we’ve been stuck clapping, radio, fatso, old man and Mr BS because we have an admin that doesn’t give a Fvck unlike Oregon’s which does. But the end of the day the point is this, if Mario was here you can pretty much guarantee top ten to top five classes year in and out. And just shut up with the stupid NCAA excuse, news flash the NCAA is done and will have no control over college football in the near future and guess who clipped there nuts for them, it was us! They lost all credibility and power with the shot they tried to pull on us the last time.
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The point I was making is rankings don't mean much. It's just the best guess of a bunch of internet nerds. Its getting talent to produce on the field that's important. Oregon has gotten more of what they need than we have. :hammering-head:
 
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NorthEastCane said:
The point I was making is rankings don't mean much. It's just the best guess of a bunch of internet nerds. Its getting talent to produce on the field that's important. Oregon has gotten more of what they need than we have. :hammering-head:
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Agreed. To bad we don’t have Oregon’s AD and BOT. You know an AD and BOT that actually want to win and will pay for the coaches to make it happen. A man can dream right. Lol
 
NorthEastCane said:
The point I was making is rankings don't mean much. It's just the best guess of a bunch of internet nerds. Its getting talent to produce on the field that's important. Oregon has gotten more of what they need than we have. :hammering-head:
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Rankings mean a lot when you look at them intelligently and they've gotten far better as the years went on. You've gotta go with the average star ranking, not those inflated rankings that reward big classes. That's where people get it twisted with Clemson, etc. They don't have big classes typically and their overall classes suffer from a cursory glance. Look at their average player rankings.

Also, rankings have always been based on who is recruiting who, not a bunch of internet nerds. The schools already know about the recruits before the websites do. Oh, Bama is after that kid, he's gotta be good. It isn't an exact science and camps play a part, but this isn't some arbitrary list compiled by the staff at 247, ESPN, Rivals, etc.
 
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NorthEastCane said:
It's an honor for you to consider my post idiotic. It's means I've hit the bulls eye.

Maybe you haven't noticed that over the past 15 years, Oregon's gotten into the playoffs and New Year Bowls many more times than we have. That means they're getting the talent to win regardless of their ranking. Also, that idiot Kelly had documented evidence against him that he was dropping bags. They haven't boned up on the fine art of bag dropping like the "Southern" schools. The NCAA wrote it off as a rogue coach and just banned him. No "lack of institutional control", no loss of TV, or loss of bowl, just a slap on the wrist, loss 1 scholarship for 3 years. Do you think they would be so kind to us.

And since we're talking about top 10 classes, from 2001 to 2010, we had

It's an honor for you to consider my post idiotic. It's means I've hit the bulls eye.

Maybe you haven't noticed that over the past 15 years, Oregon's gotten into the playoffs and New Year Bowls many more times than we have. That means they're getting the talent to win regardless of their ranking. Also, that idiot Kelly had documented evidence against him that he was dropping bags. They haven't boned up on the fine art of bag dropping like the "Southern" schools. The NCAA wrote it off as a rogue coach and just banned him. No "lack of institutional control", no loss of TV, or loss of bowl, just a slap on the wrist, loss 1 scholarship for 3 years. Do you think they would be so kind to us.

And since we're talking about top 10 classes, from 2001 to 2010

It's an honor for you to consider my post idiotic. It's means I've hit the bulls eye.

Maybe you haven't noticed that over the past 15 years, Oregon's gotten into the playoffs and New Year Bowls many more times than we have. That means they're getting the talent to win regardless of their ranking. Also, that idiot Kelly had documented evidence against him that he was dropping bags. They haven't boned up on the fine art of bag dropping like the "Southern" schools. The NCAA wrote it off as a rogue coach and just banned him. No "lack of institutional control", no loss of TV, or loss of bowl, just a slap on the wrist, loss 1 scholarship for 3 years. Do you think they would be so kind to us.

And since we're talking about top 10 classes, from 2001 to 2010, we had

It's an honor for you to consider my post idiotic. It's means I've hit the bulls eye.

Maybe you haven't noticed that over the past 15 years, Oregon's gotten into the playoffs and New Year Bowls many more times than we have. That means they're getting the talent to win regardless of their ranking. Do you think they're recruiting just Oregon? They've always recruited the west coast. And the past 15 years they've joined the legions in cherry picking Fl.

Also, that idiot Kelly had documented evidence against him that he was dropping bags. He got caught because he hadn't boned up on the fine art of bag dropping like the "Southern" schools. The NCAA wrote it off as a rogue coach and just banned him. No "lack of institutional control", no loss of TV, or loss of bowl, just a slap on the wrist, loss of 1 scholarship for 3 years. Do you think they would be so kind to us. They're one of those that have joined the arms race supported by Nike confidence that the NCAA will treat them with kid gloves. Nike supports too many other "traditional powers" to upset the cash machine.

Meanwhile we have to fight tooth and nail in our back yards and if there is even a whiff of bad air there A Yahoo expose and a public multi-year NCAA investigation. And this is not a new phenomena. The "powers" have been raiding So Fl since the sixties loaded with bags, the only difference, they've become more sophisticated. We even had a coach, Fran Curci (an alumni no less) we left Miami for Kentucky and his parting shot was "you couldn't recruit against the big guys". So don't even try to tell me they have a harder time recruiting then we do.

And since we're talking about top 10 classes, from 2001 to 2010, we had 7 top ten rankings and 7 near misses (11 - 14)
  • 2002 - 5
  • 2003 - 3
  • 2004 - 3
  • 2005 - 9
  • 2006 - 12
  • 2007 - 13
  • 2008 - 1
  • 2009 - 16
  • 2010 - 14
  • 2011 - 33
  • 2012 - 10
  • 2013 - 14
  • 2014 - 12
  • 2015 - 27
  • 2016 - 22
  • 2017 - 12
  • 2018 - 9
And what have we done with it.
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No coincidence that Saban goes to Bama and ups their bag game (rest of SEC forced to keep up) and Miami’s recruiting falls off big time.
 
SayWhat said:
Rankings mean a lot when you look at them intelligently and they've gotten far better as the years went on. You've gotta go with the average star ranking, not those inflated rankings that reward big classes. That's where people get it twisted with Clemson, etc. They don't have big classes typically and their overall classes suffer from a cursory glance. Look at their average player rankings.

Also, rankings have always been based on who is recruiting who, not a bunch of internet nerds. The schools already know about the recruits before the websites do. Oh, Bama is after that kid, he's gotta be good. It isn't an exact science and camps play a part, but this isn't some arbitrary list compiled by the staff at 247, ESPN, Rivals, etc.
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I agree with some of what you said particularly the average star. But the average star only tells you on an aggregate level. And it doesn't reflect if you've meet your needs. Most people talk about stars as if its the end all without any consideration if a team needs are met, whether your consistent with year to year or have balanced recruiting classes.

On an individual basis, stars don't adequately assess the intangibles, whether a recruit has that "dog in them" or a desire to succeed. There are enough 5*s that fail that any team that doesn't perform their own evaluations and recruit the right people are going to have spotty or random results. Then you'll have fans of those teams starting thread about whether we have the "right culture" or the "right staff".
 
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NorthEastCane said:
I agree with some of what you said particularly the average star. But the average star only tells you on an aggregate level. And it doesn't reflect if you've meet your needs. Most people talk about stars as if its the end all without any consideration if a team needs are met, whether your consistent with year to year or have balanced recruiting classes.

On an individual basis, stars don't adequately assess the intangibles, whether a recruit has that "dog in them" or a desire to succeed. There are enough 5*s that fail that any team that does perform there own evaluations and recruit the right people are going to have spotty or random results. These you'll have fans of those teams starting thread about whether we have the "right culture" or the "right staff".
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I see what you're saying and I don't think anyone is taking players to just take players and not address their needs. You might have one or two players a class you just can't pass up, not necessarily a need immediately, but you still can't pass on them.

All of these recruits have a desire to succeed, but do they have the will to push themselves beyond their current status.

I don't think there's many people who think stars are the only thing that matters. It's a starting point and evidence suggests that you'll have better on the field results if you've landed consistently highly rated talent. Keep doing that and the talent will weed out the weak on its own.
 
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